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		<title>By: otto</title>
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		<dc:creator>otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s the very use of the word &#039;transfer&#039; without quotes which identifies someone as a Israeli bigot: a euphemism reflecting desire or enablement. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s the very use of the word &#39;transfer&#39; without quotes which identifies someone as a Israeli bigot: a euphemism reflecting desire or enablement. </p>
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		<title>By: agog</title>
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		<dc:creator>agog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The NYT is by no stretch of the imagination &quot;the greatest newspaper in the world&quot;, Phil, far from it.  One the most influential, perhaps, but that only makes it all the more the pity it is so crap.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Otherwise, stirring stuff.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And do see this image of the Wall from Richard Silverstein&#039;s blog:&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/ghostseparationwall.jpg &lt;br /&gt;
Ace!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYT is by no stretch of the imagination &quot;the greatest newspaper in the world&quot;, Phil, far from it.  One the most influential, perhaps, but that only makes it all the more the pity it is so crap.</p>
<p>Otherwise, stirring stuff.  </p>
<p>And do see this image of the Wall from Richard Silverstein&#39;s blog:<br />
<a href="http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/ghostseparationwall.jpg">link to richardsilverstein.com</a></p>
<p>Ace!</p></p>
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		<title>By: nitwit</title>
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		<dc:creator>nitwit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Message trying to follow agog&#039;s link:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Interesting:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;403 Permission Denied&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Message trying to follow agog&#39;s link:</p>
<p>Interesting:</p>
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		<title>By: peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;please get out the popgun soon and include jeffrey goldburg too.  let&#039;s make all these people look absolutely ridiculous.  how about frank rich as well.&lt;br /&gt;
found this:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;why has a “liberal” like Rich been so tough on Gore through the years? Why did he invent Love Story in 1997? Throughout the course of Campaign 2000, why did he keep pretending that Bush and Gore were a perfectly-matched pair of bumblers? When Gore spoke out on Iraq in 2002, why did Rich attack him again (inventing his facts as he went)? And in his new column, just two weeks ago, why did he nit-pick those ludicrous complaints about Gore? For example, why did he pretend—in that pathetic example—that Gore “waffled” on creationism in 1999? For the most part, readers have no way to evaluate such claims. Why does Rich just keep making them up?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;he did it to kerry too.  closet neocon...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please get out the popgun soon and include jeffrey goldburg too.  let&#39;s make all these people look absolutely ridiculous.  how about frank rich as well.<br />
found this:</p>
<p>why has a “liberal” like Rich been so tough on Gore through the years? Why did he invent Love Story in 1997? Throughout the course of Campaign 2000, why did he keep pretending that Bush and Gore were a perfectly-matched pair of bumblers? When Gore spoke out on Iraq in 2002, why did Rich attack him again (inventing his facts as he went)? And in his new column, just two weeks ago, why did he nit-pick those ludicrous complaints about Gore? For example, why did he pretend—in that pathetic example—that Gore “waffled” on creationism in 1999? For the most part, readers have no way to evaluate such claims. Why does Rich just keep making them up?</p>
<p>he did it to kerry too.  closet neocon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nitwit</title>
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		<dc:creator>nitwit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you to the Times!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The times they are ...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;not so if you watch the propaganda meter on, although it was worse yesterday and at intervals before:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.blogpulse.com/search?query=Obama&amp;image22.x=16&amp;image22.y=9&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What about a collective effort in studying the anti-Obamaa memes? Journalism classes, resulting in a site. Should be possible to see a certain pattern emerging after a time. should by fun too, and a good experience.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This guy I so far had given the benefit of doubts. Over!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Make sure you follow the INCITEMENT/Part 1/upper corner on the right. One sentence is enough: &quot;The most trusted leaders of the Democratic party, such as John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, ought to be ashamed of themselves for supporting Barack Obama.&quot; If this lures you into reading the whole article, then tell me something about you. Since then you must have the profile of the target group. I&#039;d be really interested, honestly:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0803/S00452.htm&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you to the Times!</p>
<p>The times they are &#8230;</p>
<p>not so if you watch the propaganda meter on, although it was worse yesterday and at intervals before:</p>
<p>http://www.blogpulse.com/search?query=Obama&amp;image22.x=16&amp;image22.y=9</p>
<p>What about a collective effort in studying the anti-Obamaa memes? Journalism classes, resulting in a site. Should be possible to see a certain pattern emerging after a time. should by fun too, and a good experience.</p>
<p>This guy I so far had given the benefit of doubts. Over!</p>
<p>Make sure you follow the INCITEMENT/Part 1/upper corner on the right. One sentence is enough: &quot;The most trusted leaders of the Democratic party, such as John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, ought to be ashamed of themselves for supporting Barack Obama.&quot; If this lures you into reading the whole article, then tell me something about you. Since then you must have the profile of the target group. I&#39;d be really interested, honestly:</p>
<p>http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/<br />
<a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0803/S00452.htm/p">link to scoop.co.nz</a></p>
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		<title>By: peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am concerned about the Rezko stuff.  It looks bad to me and I don&#039;t know how he&#039;s going to get out of it.  I tell myself McCain&#039;s sleaziness is just as bad and maybe the repubs will call a moratorium on digging up sleaze.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am concerned about the Rezko stuff.  It looks bad to me and I don&#39;t know how he&#39;s going to get out of it.  I tell myself McCain&#39;s sleaziness is just as bad and maybe the repubs will call a moratorium on digging up sleaze.</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Who is Rezko? peters?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I shouldn&#039;t be hanging around here, and I sure have other things to do. Maybe I should consult an therapist concerning my comment addiction?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But can you tell me shorty?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is Rezko? peters?</p>
<p>I shouldn&#39;t be hanging around here, and I sure have other things to do. Maybe I should consult an therapist concerning my comment addiction?</p>
<p>But can you tell me shorty?</p>
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		<title>By: 5 dancing shlomos</title>
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		<dc:creator>5 dancing shlomos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;for me the greatness of the times (and w. post), it gives me something to look forward to in 40, 50, 60 years. today i read a lie and in 40-50-60 years a snippet of &quot;truth&quot; will be released. but to show that it is not a liar, the times (and w. post) will give 700 more lies (on same subject) and reword the &quot;truth&quot; that was given.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;may the smallest god of smallest things bless amurderka and its beacon to...the in-between sabbath.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for me the greatness of the times (and w. post), it gives me something to look forward to in 40, 50, 60 years. today i read a lie and in 40-50-60 years a snippet of &quot;truth&quot; will be released. but to show that it is not a liar, the times (and w. post) will give 700 more lies (on same subject) and reword the &quot;truth&quot; that was given.</p>
<p>may the smallest god of smallest things bless amurderka and its beacon to&#8230;the in-between sabbath.</p>
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		<title>By: nowit</title>
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		<dc:creator>nowit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ah, the real estate deal. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Peters, imagine you just bought a house somewhere and there is a strip of land with fruit trees next to it. Your own plot with the house is rather small. One day an acquaintance asks you, how you and your family like the new house and its surroundings? Fine you answer and in passing mention the strip of lands with the old trees.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Oh&quot;, the guy says, &quot;I think I could get that for you.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No, thanks you answer, our mortgages are close to our limits already.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Don&#039;t worry&quot;, he answers, &quot;I&#039;ll think, I can make it a real bargain.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, the guy was introduced to you as an expert.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Would you say no, if he finally offers you for a price you never expected?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the real estate deal. </p>
<p>Peters, imagine you just bought a house somewhere and there is a strip of land with fruit trees next to it. Your own plot with the house is rather small. One day an acquaintance asks you, how you and your family like the new house and its surroundings? Fine you answer and in passing mention the strip of lands with the old trees.</p>
<p>&quot;Oh&quot;, the guy says, &quot;I think I could get that for you.&quot;</p>
<p>No, thanks you answer, our mortgages are close to our limits already.</p>
<p>&quot;Don&#39;t worry&quot;, he answers, &quot;I&#39;ll think, I can make it a real bargain.&quot;</p>
<p>Now, the guy was introduced to you as an expert.</p>
<p>Would you say no, if he finally offers you for a price you never expected?</p>
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		<title>By: ej</title>
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		<dc:creator>ej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One keeps reading that the NYT is a &#039;liberal&#039; (as in American usage) newspaper. Nothing of the sort of course.&lt;br /&gt;
As a vehicle of Empire, its formal status follows the status of the flag. Its substantive status varies inversely with the inevitable corruption of empire.&lt;br /&gt;
Ergo, as per this minute, how low can one go?&lt;br /&gt;
James Aronson&#039;s 1970 The Press and the Cold War nailed the NYT almost 40 years. It deserves revisiting. &lt;br /&gt;
But with respect to the matter of Israel, the NYT has always effected its own standard of abasement, courtesy of Rosenthal, Safire, et. al. &lt;br /&gt;
The web, and through it access to not merely blogs but some more courageous provincial media, has exposed the NYT in all its muscular shabbiness. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One keeps reading that the NYT is a &#39;liberal&#39; (as in American usage) newspaper. Nothing of the sort of course.<br />
As a vehicle of Empire, its formal status follows the status of the flag. Its substantive status varies inversely with the inevitable corruption of empire.<br />
Ergo, as per this minute, how low can one go?<br />
James Aronson&#39;s 1970 The Press and the Cold War nailed the NYT almost 40 years. It deserves revisiting. <br />
But with respect to the matter of Israel, the NYT has always effected its own standard of abasement, courtesy of Rosenthal, Safire, et. al. <br />
The web, and through it access to not merely blogs but some more courageous provincial media, has exposed the NYT in all its muscular shabbiness. </p>
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