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	<title>Comments on: The Doors Are Opening&#8230; NYT Publishes Walt, Mearsheimer and a Nakba Jew</title>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/the-doors-are-o.html/comment-page-1#comment-59239</link>
		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil, I have one wish. But not long ago, you linked to an older article on the New York Observer. I once tried to find your earlier articles there, but wasn&#039;t successful. Maybe I gave up to fast. I am wondering about the genesis of Mondoweisss, now that the times are changing. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Maybe you could link to one in the future? Ideally via the entrance to the whole collection. ;)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, I have one wish. But not long ago, you linked to an older article on the New York Observer. I once tried to find your earlier articles there, but wasn&#39;t successful. Maybe I gave up to fast. I am wondering about the genesis of Mondoweisss, now that the times are changing. </p>
<p>Maybe you could link to one in the future? Ideally via the entrance to the whole collection. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: 5 dancing shlomos</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/the-doors-are-o.html/comment-page-1#comment-59240</link>
		<dc:creator>5 dancing shlomos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Martin Buber rightly described as “a land of two peoples.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;NO. it is not a land of two peoples. before the ashkenazi jews, including buber-the-moral, invaded from elsewhere, there were muslims, christians, jews, and others. they were living together.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;where does this &quot;a land of two peoples&quot; crap come from and why is it accepted?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Martin Buber rightly described as “a land of two peoples.&quot;</p>
<p>NO. it is not a land of two peoples. before the ashkenazi jews, including buber-the-moral, invaded from elsewhere, there were muslims, christians, jews, and others. they were living together.</p>
<p>where does this &quot;a land of two peoples&quot; crap come from and why is it accepted?</p>
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		<title>By: 5 dancing shlomos</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/the-doors-are-o.html/comment-page-1#comment-59241</link>
		<dc:creator>5 dancing shlomos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;my mistake. i now see the light. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;euro-russian-american thug-squats can take someone else&#039;s land and then say they have a 100% equal share.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my mistake. i now see the light. </p>
<p>euro-russian-american thug-squats can take someone else&#39;s land and then say they have a 100% equal share.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/the-doors-are-o.html/comment-page-1#comment-59242</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I posted this yesterday, but it applies here directly, so I&#039;m posting it again--I apologize to those who may have already read it: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jeffrey Goldberg says &quot;John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt, in their polemical work “The Israel Lobby,” have it wrong: They argue, unpersuasively, that American support for Israel hurts America. It doesn’t. But unthinking American support does hurt Israel.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;M &amp; W&#039;s book clearily states and shows that unconditional support for Israel&#039;s conduct has been, and is the fundamental error. The book demonstrates many instances where this Israel Right Or Wrong approach has hurt US interests--and Israel&#039;s.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since Goldberg agrees &quot;unthinking American support hurts Israel,&quot; given the &quot;special relationship,&quot; recognized by the world over in terms of very unbalanced power politics, how happens it to be that &quot;American support for Israel does not hurt America?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Goldberg simply dismisses M &amp; W&#039;s book as a mere polemic. Then, by cleverly dropping the adjective &quot;unthinking&quot; (unconditional) regarding American support for Israel in terms of its hurting America, he erases the elephant from the room.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The American public has been continually sold on the idea that America&#039;s interests and Israel&#039;s interests are the same. No contrary information is ever given by our politicians. Now Goldberg simply asserts that&#039;s not really the case. The USA has not been harmed but only Israel has been harmed by unthinking American support of Israel. Goldberg should write fantasy books, about Fourth Dimensions where the laws of cause and effect don&#039;t exist.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this yesterday, but it applies here directly, so I&#39;m posting it again&#8211;I apologize to those who may have already read it: </p>
<p>Jeffrey Goldberg says &quot;John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt, in their polemical work “The Israel Lobby,” have it wrong: They argue, unpersuasively, that American support for Israel hurts America. It doesn’t. But unthinking American support does hurt Israel.&quot;</p>
<p>M &amp; W&#39;s book clearily states and shows that unconditional support for Israel&#39;s conduct has been, and is the fundamental error. The book demonstrates many instances where this Israel Right Or Wrong approach has hurt US interests&#8211;and Israel&#39;s.</p>
<p>Since Goldberg agrees &quot;unthinking American support hurts Israel,&quot; given the &quot;special relationship,&quot; recognized by the world over in terms of very unbalanced power politics, how happens it to be that &quot;American support for Israel does not hurt America?&quot;</p>
<p>Goldberg simply dismisses M &amp; W&#39;s book as a mere polemic. Then, by cleverly dropping the adjective &quot;unthinking&quot; (unconditional) regarding American support for Israel in terms of its hurting America, he erases the elephant from the room.</p>
<p>The American public has been continually sold on the idea that America&#39;s interests and Israel&#39;s interests are the same. No contrary information is ever given by our politicians. Now Goldberg simply asserts that&#39;s not really the case. The USA has not been harmed but only Israel has been harmed by unthinking American support of Israel. Goldberg should write fantasy books, about Fourth Dimensions where the laws of cause and effect don&#39;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: syvanen</title>
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		<dc:creator>syvanen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Painful as it is, but we must accept Jeffrey Goldberg as one of the enlightened ones now.  Phil seems to be right about this -- there is a sea change going on.  Last week Friedman and now this.  There has obviously been some kind of shift within the high level Jewish leadership.  What happened? Why can&#039;t Aipac whip their boys back into line?  Yes, that upcoming national Aipac meeting is going to be interesting.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Painful as it is, but we must accept Jeffrey Goldberg as one of the enlightened ones now.  Phil seems to be right about this &#8212; there is a sea change going on.  Last week Friedman and now this.  There has obviously been some kind of shift within the high level Jewish leadership.  What happened? Why can&#39;t Aipac whip their boys back into line?  Yes, that upcoming national Aipac meeting is going to be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: 5 dancing shlomos</title>
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		<dc:creator>5 dancing shlomos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;enlightened? one or two does not an enlightened group make.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;power is flexible. keep goal in sight. change tactics to get there, stay there.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;change lies. refurbish lies. keep lying.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>enlightened? one or two does not an enlightened group make.</p>
<p>power is flexible. keep goal in sight. change tactics to get there, stay there.</p>
<p>change lies. refurbish lies. keep lying.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/the-doors-are-o.html/comment-page-1#comment-59245</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s Rosner &amp; Goldberg today on this topic:&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=985356&amp;contrassID=25&amp;subContrassID=0&amp;sbSubContrassID=1&amp;listSrc=Y&amp;art=1&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s really obtuse. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s Rosner &amp; Goldberg today on this topic:<br />
<a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=985356&#038;contrassID=25&#038;subContrassID=0&#038;sbSubContrassID=1&#038;listSrc=Y&#038;art=1/p">link to haaretz.com</a></p>
<p>It&#39;s really obtuse. </p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/the-doors-are-o.html/comment-page-1#comment-59246</link>
		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;More than glosnost about the nature of the Zionist theft of Palestine is needed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;American Jews need to rethink their views of the last 2-3 centuries of Jewish history.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The three defining political assassinations of Modern Russia (and hence of the world) were carried out or ordered by ethnic Ashkenazim, to wit, the assassinations of&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1. Czar Alexander II,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2. Pyotr Stolypin,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3. Nicholas II and his family.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By viewing themselves as weak and powerless victims, ethnic Ashkenazim avoid the unpleasant truths of their history.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than glosnost about the nature of the Zionist theft of Palestine is needed.</p>
<p>American Jews need to rethink their views of the last 2-3 centuries of Jewish history.</p>
<p>The three defining political assassinations of Modern Russia (and hence of the world) were carried out or ordered by ethnic Ashkenazim, to wit, the assassinations of</p>
<p>1. Czar Alexander II,</p>
<p>2. Pyotr Stolypin,</p>
<p>3. Nicholas II and his family.</p>
<p>By viewing themselves as weak and powerless victims, ethnic Ashkenazim avoid the unpleasant truths of their history.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/the-doors-are-o.html/comment-page-1#comment-59247</link>
		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BTW, I was recently reading Richard Pipes discussion of the assassination of Stolypin. It reminded me of the sort of distortions that I associated with Daniel Pipes in discussions of Islam. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the basis of the Pipeses, one could almost make a case for identifying intellectual dishonesty as a genetically inheritable trait.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I was recently reading Richard Pipes discussion of the assassination of Stolypin. It reminded me of the sort of distortions that I associated with Daniel Pipes in discussions of Islam. </p>
<p>On the basis of the Pipeses, one could almost make a case for identifying intellectual dishonesty as a genetically inheritable trait.</p>
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		<title>By: otto</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/the-doors-are-o.html/comment-page-1#comment-59248</link>
		<dc:creator>otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Goldberg tries to row back here:&lt;br /&gt;
http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dear Max,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have a “fair amount of respect” for you, as well, so it bothers me that you misread my recent Times op-ed so comprehensively. In your post, you misrepresented my views consistently, but let me grapple with your most outrageous assertion: that I “concede” most of the case made by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt in their book “The Israel Lobby.” &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goldberg tries to row back here:<br />
<a href="http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com//p">link to jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com</a></p>
<p>Dear Max,</p>
<p>I have a “fair amount of respect” for you, as well, so it bothers me that you misread my recent Times op-ed so comprehensively. In your post, you misrepresented my views consistently, but let me grapple with your most outrageous assertion: that I “concede” most of the case made by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt in their book “The Israel Lobby.” </p>
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