Comments on: The Nakba Isn’t Just History, It’s About People Feeling Homeless

By: liberal white boy

liberal white boy — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

I think it's also about a fraud upon the American people and the world Phil.

The Stuff That Makes Jonathon Alter And His Pals At MSNBC Such Fraudsters!

http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2008/05/stuff-that-makes-jonathon-alter-and-his.html

By: Joachim Martillo

Joachim Martillo — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

"Journalist David Samuels describes it in this comment on my site, a religious and historical exegesis (that exposes my ignorance of such matters), in which he states Israel's creation has opened 'deep questions that have been quietly vibrating for millennia.' Like that the Romans killed 1 million Jews when they destroyed the second temple."

It ain't true.

Between the Judean War and the Bar Kokhba Rebellion, probably about 60,000 Palestinian Judeans were killed or taken captive to be sold into slavery. By ancient standards the number is large, but it is nowhere near 1 million.

Jerry Haber discusses false Zionist beliefs about Greco-Roman Palestine in link to themagneszionist.blogspot.com
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I discuss Jewish self-delusion and self-deception in link to eaazi.blogspot.com
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By: JJ

JJ — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

"Jewish perception of the amount of historical Jewish suffering doubles roughly every century."

By: 5 dancing shlomos

5 dancing shlomos — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

"Jewish perception of the amount of historical Jewish suffering doubles roughly every century."

i thought it doubled with every new book on anti semitism. or whenever sadeyed wiesel appeared on a campus.

By: David Samuels

David Samuels — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

The estimate that the Romans killed 1.1 million Jews during the war that culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of Jewish political independence comes not from later-day "Zionists" (I'm not sure why "the Zionists" would care) but from the Roman historian Flavius Josephus, whose book The Jewish Wars remains the only authoritative historical account of the Roman wars against the Jews -- which Josephus saw first-hand both as a Jewish rebel general and then as a Jewish collaborator with Rome. Phillip Weiss would find it interesting reading, I think, once he's finished with his current stack of Palestinian memoirs about the Nakba.

By: david

david — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

no such luck, david, phil is only interested in lying about modern jews. I love how the failed 1948 anti-jew genocide (aka "nakba) brings tears to his eyes, while the holocaust itself he regards as a scam.

By: Joachim Martillo

Joachim Martillo — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Ancient historians were generally not particularly careful with statistical or numerical data.

As I remember the accounts of Tacitus and Iosephos differed by about 1 million in the number of deaths while Iosephos referred to casualties in Jerusalem with the claim that Passover celebrants were trapped in Jerusalem from Nissan through Elul which corresponded to the month of Gorpiaeus during the year of siege.

The claims simply are not credible as was recognized in the 17th century as I remember.

More careful readings of relevant texts, estimates of agricultural production, archeological evidence put the figure for the two wars at approximately 60,000 and have done so for a long time.

At this point figures much more than 100,000 have to be considered propaganda or self-delusion just like similar figures from the Chmielnicki Rebellion.

By: Joachim Martillo

Joachim Martillo — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

BTW, of course Zionists care.

It is the whole point of blood and soil nation. The nation has to have shed a whole lot of blood in a territory as part of its claim to that territory.

By: 5 dancing shlomos

5 dancing shlomos — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

dont know of too many, none, respected historians who rely on josephus.

but if you, samuels, are interested:

there are a couple of 'historians' in LA area claiming 7 million jews died at the hands of hitler. 7 million figure didnt fly too far. too much invested in six million.