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		<title>By: neocognitism</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/times-defines-n.html/comment-page-1#comment-59985</link>
		<dc:creator>neocognitism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bronner is just repeating the same canard that we&#039;ll be hearing for years to come, that Israel only ever responds, and therefore there is no cycle of violence.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m so tired of that absurdly stupid and childish thoroughly-debunked-yet-infinitely-recycled talking point.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On Israel&#039;s 60th Birthday, how about growing up a little closer to adulthood and taking responsibility for one&#039;s actions?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, I am glad there is a place in the world where people of the Jewish faith feel safe and can always go to.  I don&#039;t agree with how she was created, but what&#039;s done is done and we must just concentrate on the best way to move forward for our client state.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bronner is just repeating the same canard that we&#39;ll be hearing for years to come, that Israel only ever responds, and therefore there is no cycle of violence.</p>
<p>I&#39;m so tired of that absurdly stupid and childish thoroughly-debunked-yet-infinitely-recycled talking point.  </p>
<p>On Israel&#39;s 60th Birthday, how about growing up a little closer to adulthood and taking responsibility for one&#39;s actions?</p>
<p>That said, I am glad there is a place in the world where people of the Jewish faith feel safe and can always go to.  I don&#39;t agree with how she was created, but what&#39;s done is done and we must just concentrate on the best way to move forward for our client state.</p>
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		<title>By: bondo</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/times-defines-n.html/comment-page-1#comment-59986</link>
		<dc:creator>bondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;totally sick of zionists, light and knuckle dragger, money bags and foot soldier. sick of their foot kissers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;so...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;i was offered a seltzer water earlier today. the label had &#039;kosher&#039; certified by rabbi j. h. ralbag, orthodox rabbinate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;why does carbonated water need to be certified? how would co2 into  water be impure? does tap water need to be certified? is the nyc water system inspected by rabbis? does air need to be certified? who/ what pays for this &quot;service&quot;. very little that is certified is enjoyed only by observing jews. most of this kosher stuff is bought by non jews. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;i want a refund. i suspect much of that money finds its way to israel or into causes i care little to nothing for it.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>totally sick of zionists, light and knuckle dragger, money bags and foot soldier. sick of their foot kissers.</p>
<p>so&#8230;</p>
<p>i was offered a seltzer water earlier today. the label had &#39;kosher&#39; certified by rabbi j. h. ralbag, orthodox rabbinate.</p>
<p>why does carbonated water need to be certified? how would co2 into  water be impure? does tap water need to be certified? is the nyc water system inspected by rabbis? does air need to be certified? who/ what pays for this &quot;service&quot;. very little that is certified is enjoyed only by observing jews. most of this kosher stuff is bought by non jews. </p>
<p>i want a refund. i suspect much of that money finds its way to israel or into causes i care little to nothing for it.</p>
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		<title>By: bondo</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/times-defines-n.html/comment-page-1#comment-59987</link>
		<dc:creator>bondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;That said, I am glad there is a place in the world where people of the Jewish faith feel safe and can always go to.&quot;neocognitism&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; there are at least 150 countries from which they left to which they may return.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;we must just concentrate on the best way to move forward for our client state.&quot; - neo....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;correction neocognitism,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;the usa is the client, obeying state.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;That said, I am glad there is a place in the world where people of the Jewish faith feel safe and can always go to.&quot;neocognitism</p>
<p> there are at least 150 countries from which they left to which they may return.</p>
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&quot;we must just concentrate on the best way to move forward for our client state.&quot; &#8211; neo&#8230;.</p>
<p>correction neocognitism,</p>
<p>the usa is the client, obeying state.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Describing the *Nakba as &quot;the birth of Israel&quot; is tantamount to describing Auchswitz as &quot;Germany&#039;s gas pipeline to Poland.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ethan Bronner is just a garden-variety neurotic Jew. A lying little putz who can&#039;t bear to hear that &quot;The Jewish Homeland&quot; is not  the poor liitle victim, much less guilty of ethnic cleansing, mass murder, a whole litany of ongoing racist barbarism against its captive neighbors. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Describing the *Nakba as &quot;the birth of Israel&quot; is tantamount to describing Auchswitz as &quot;Germany&#39;s gas pipeline to Poland.&quot;</p>
<p>Ethan Bronner is just a garden-variety neurotic Jew. A lying little putz who can&#39;t bear to hear that &quot;The Jewish Homeland&quot; is not  the poor liitle victim, much less guilty of ethnic cleansing, mass murder, a whole litany of ongoing racist barbarism against its captive neighbors. </p>
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		<title>By: Montag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Israel is unique in that it has &quot;internal refugees&quot; who are legally kept from reoccupying their former homes.  I think that is why the Israeli-Palestinians are gathering at &quot;their FORMER villages.&quot;  They fled out of terror but remained inside Israel.  But since they fled their property was taken over by the State for the use of Jews only and they can never get it back!  So even Israeli-Palestinians were victims of the Nakba.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel is unique in that it has &quot;internal refugees&quot; who are legally kept from reoccupying their former homes.  I think that is why the Israeli-Palestinians are gathering at &quot;their FORMER villages.&quot;  They fled out of terror but remained inside Israel.  But since they fled their property was taken over by the State for the use of Jews only and they can never get it back!  So even Israeli-Palestinians were victims of the Nakba.</p>
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		<title>By: Emmanuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;there are at least 150 countries from which they left to which they may return.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Those counntries aren&#039;t theirs anymore, just like Israel isn&#039;t the Palestinians&#039; anymore. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Today I wish Israel a happy independence day and I wish for the Palestinians to have their own independence in Gaza and the West Bank as soon as possible.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;there are at least 150 countries from which they left to which they may return.&quot;</p>
<p>Those counntries aren&#39;t theirs anymore, just like Israel isn&#39;t the Palestinians&#39; anymore. </p>
<p>Today I wish Israel a happy independence day and I wish for the Palestinians to have their own independence in Gaza and the West Bank as soon as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/05/times-defines-n.html/comment-page-1#comment-59991</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I read the article this morning on the web.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I found it quite balanced and informative.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Similar to the statements by Lionpac, acknowledging that nakba occurred (which interpretation who knows), the Times article did describe that the nakba was a shared and valid experience, worthy of being known, NOT dismissed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I find the exagerated and negative response to that reality (New York Times publishing without contempt on the front page of conflicts within Israeli society, and perspective) to be similar to Stokely Carmichael&#039;s calling Martin Luther King an &quot;Uncle Tom&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Guess what. Martin Luther King and a hundred thousand assertive other &quot;Uncle Toms&quot; got Jim Crow overturned, and permanently.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the article this morning on the web.</p>
<p>I found it quite balanced and informative.</p>
<p>Similar to the statements by Lionpac, acknowledging that nakba occurred (which interpretation who knows), the Times article did describe that the nakba was a shared and valid experience, worthy of being known, NOT dismissed.</p>
<p>I find the exagerated and negative response to that reality (New York Times publishing without contempt on the front page of conflicts within Israeli society, and perspective) to be similar to Stokely Carmichael&#39;s calling Martin Luther King an &quot;Uncle Tom&quot;.</p>
<p>Guess what. Martin Luther King and a hundred thousand assertive other &quot;Uncle Toms&quot; got Jim Crow overturned, and permanently.</p>
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		<title>By: bondo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Those counntries aren&#039;t theirs anymore, just like Israel isn&#039;t the Palestinians&#039; anymore. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Today I wish Israel a happy independence day and - Emmanuel &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;return and become a citizen. very easy for jews to do as many are doing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;today, i wish israel a painful and quick death.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those counntries aren&#39;t theirs anymore, just like Israel isn&#39;t the Palestinians&#39; anymore. </p>
<p>Today I wish Israel a happy independence day and &#8211; Emmanuel </p>
<p>return and become a citizen. very easy for jews to do as many are doing.</p>
<p>today, i wish israel a painful and quick death.</p>
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		<title>By: saifedean</title>
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		<dc:creator>saifedean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Only in America can an article run with such a moronic mistake as the sequence of events of 1948.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For the record, almost 400,000 of the Palestinian refugees were expelled BEFORE any Arab soldier had &#039;attacked&#039; Israel or the state of Israel was declared.   The ethnic cleansing had started in 1947.  To portray it as a counter-attack is too stupid to even hold logically, let alone factually.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only in America can an article run with such a moronic mistake as the sequence of events of 1948.</p>
<p>For the record, almost 400,000 of the Palestinian refugees were expelled BEFORE any Arab soldier had &#39;attacked&#39; Israel or the state of Israel was declared.   The ethnic cleansing had started in 1947.  To portray it as a counter-attack is too stupid to even hold logically, let alone factually.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It was/is a calculated mistake. Merely ignorant recipients morph to practical morons due to withholding of information from them. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was/is a calculated mistake. Merely ignorant recipients morph to practical morons due to withholding of information from them. </p>
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