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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Silverstein raises a rarely-treated point, about Israel&#039;s excessive reliance on a single large-country supporter:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;The U.S. at some future time might find that Israel has become too great a burden on national interests. At that time, the U.S. might abandon Israel to its fate. Even the Israel lobby with all their political muscle would be powerless to prevent it. Because Israel has no other major allies, this outcome, no matter how unlikely now, is something greatly to be feared.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Who hasn&#039;t heard the story of a business which got most of its revenues from a single large customer, and then collapsed after losing a key contract? Diversification is safety. But the Lobby&#039;s obsession with keeping a firm grip on the U.S. only increases the risk of an eventual split, driven by homegrown resentment of Israel&#039;s relentless exploitation of American generosity.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Which leads directly into Silverstein&#039;s final point:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;All this raises a larger question: why is it that the Dutch can see such a program and Americans can’t?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well, we all know the answer, don&#039;t we? The Lobby can&#039;t afford frank discussion on the subject. But that only heightens the &#039;beach-ball effect&#039; -- when some crisis finally propels the issue into the mainstream (which is on the verge of happening right now), the sense of scandal will be magnified because of the long-standing cover-up. It wasn&#039;t the ongoing crime, it was the cover-up that killed the golden goose.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Checkmate, as it were. It&#039;s a lovely dilemma; a lovely Catch-22. Your move, Mr. Hoenlein. But the only way to win is not to play!&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Silverstein raises a rarely-treated point, about Israel&#39;s excessive reliance on a single large-country supporter:</p>
<p>&quot;The U.S. at some future time might find that Israel has become too great a burden on national interests. At that time, the U.S. might abandon Israel to its fate. Even the Israel lobby with all their political muscle would be powerless to prevent it. Because Israel has no other major allies, this outcome, no matter how unlikely now, is something greatly to be feared.&quot;</p>
<p>Who hasn&#39;t heard the story of a business which got most of its revenues from a single large customer, and then collapsed after losing a key contract? Diversification is safety. But the Lobby&#39;s obsession with keeping a firm grip on the U.S. only increases the risk of an eventual split, driven by homegrown resentment of Israel&#39;s relentless exploitation of American generosity.</p>
<p>Which leads directly into Silverstein&#39;s final point:</p>
<p>&quot;All this raises a larger question: why is it that the Dutch can see such a program and Americans can’t?&quot;</p>
<p>Well, we all know the answer, don&#39;t we? The Lobby can&#39;t afford frank discussion on the subject. But that only heightens the &#39;beach-ball effect&#39; &#8212; when some crisis finally propels the issue into the mainstream (which is on the verge of happening right now), the sense of scandal will be magnified because of the long-standing cover-up. It wasn&#39;t the ongoing crime, it was the cover-up that killed the golden goose.</p>
<p>Checkmate, as it were. It&#39;s a lovely dilemma; a lovely Catch-22. Your move, Mr. Hoenlein. But the only way to win is not to play!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mearsheimer looked bad to me in that &quot;documentary&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I found the points of Levy (I forgot his first name), to be the most relevant.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Namely, that the sideshow of the messenger is less important than the real show of articulating a skillful and humane description of what is in Israel&#039;s and US&#039;s interests, rationally.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mearsheimer looked bad to me in that &quot;documentary&quot;.</p>
<p>I found the points of Levy (I forgot his first name), to be the most relevant.</p>
<p>Namely, that the sideshow of the messenger is less important than the real show of articulating a skillful and humane description of what is in Israel&#39;s and US&#39;s interests, rationally.</p>
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		<title>By: Lysander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lysander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phillip, I have a question. Do believe that a change in perspective WRT Israel might also be related to regional factors? In other words, is there a change in the ballance of power in the region that makes American support for israel more costly than before? I&#039;m referring to Iran&#039;s growing nuclear capability, the rapid rise in the price of oil and the July &#039;06 war in Lebanon. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do you think these factors give the realists room for maneuver? Also, do you think if (hypothetically) oil were to fall to 40$ or a highly successful attack on Iran were to occur, that the situation would change in favor of the Neoconservatives?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For full disclosure, I should mention I&#039;m and American of Egyptian decent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanx&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip, I have a question. Do believe that a change in perspective WRT Israel might also be related to regional factors? In other words, is there a change in the ballance of power in the region that makes American support for israel more costly than before? I&#39;m referring to Iran&#39;s growing nuclear capability, the rapid rise in the price of oil and the July &#39;06 war in Lebanon. </p>
<p>Do you think these factors give the realists room for maneuver? Also, do you think if (hypothetically) oil were to fall to 40$ or a highly successful attack on Iran were to occur, that the situation would change in favor of the Neoconservatives?</p>
<p>For full disclosure, I should mention I&#39;m and American of Egyptian decent.</p>
<p>Thanx</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Because Israel has no other major allies, this outcome, no matter how unlikely now, is something greatly to be feared.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Israel has made overtures to China with U.S. technology in the past. I just don&#039;t think that any other major power has the same internal dynamics or self-destructive streak that the U.S. has. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Because Israel has no other major allies, this outcome, no matter how unlikely now, is something greatly to be feared.&quot;</p>
<p>Israel has made overtures to China with U.S. technology in the past. I just don&#39;t think that any other major power has the same internal dynamics or self-destructive streak that the U.S. has. </p>
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		<title>By: peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jack Ross seems way more paranoid than Phil. I am suspicious of his theory.  It seems disingenuous to me.  Sort of like Chomshky&#039;s clinging to the idea that US motivation is all strategic and therefore economic. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Ross seems way more paranoid than Phil. I am suspicious of his theory.  It seems disingenuous to me.  Sort of like Chomshky&#39;s clinging to the idea that US motivation is all strategic and therefore economic. </p>
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		<title>By: peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jack Ross seems way more paranoid than Phil. I am suspicious of his theory.  It seems disingenuous to me.  Sort of like Chomshky&#039;s clinging to the idea that US motivation is all strategic and therefore economic. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack Ross seems way more paranoid than Phil. I am suspicious of his theory.  It seems disingenuous to me.  Sort of like Chomshky&#39;s clinging to the idea that US motivation is all strategic and therefore economic. </p>
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		<title>By: KXB</title>
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		<dc:creator>KXB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No other allies but America?  Nonsense, Turkey has been one of Israel&#039;s closest allies for decades.  Israeli leadership has high praise for Egypt&#039;s Mubarak, and Jordan has done an exemplary job in keeping its Palestinian population out of the conflict.  Outside the region, China and India are among Israel&#039;s biggest customers for its thriving arms industry, much the consternation of the U.S.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No other allies but America?  Nonsense, Turkey has been one of Israel&#39;s closest allies for decades.  Israeli leadership has high praise for Egypt&#39;s Mubarak, and Jordan has done an exemplary job in keeping its Palestinian population out of the conflict.  Outside the region, China and India are among Israel&#39;s biggest customers for its thriving arms industry, much the consternation of the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Easton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Easton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
who on earth is Mr. Hoenlein, i said. is it a typo for heinlein? what would he have to do with it?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;so i googled it and the most amazing narrative came up on top. it appears there is healthy and outspoken dissent *within* the american zionist community.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;well maybe not exactly *within* i guess. but within the religious jewish community at any rate. it seems that the latter is not after all completely subsumed by the former. (aside from the traditional ortodoxy that surivives among some hassidim.) better and better. i am not alone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;it seems luke ford of lukeford.net is a convert to judaism who is a major journalist of the porn industry. which would label him as an outcast to us effete easterners, but not in hollywood, which is a much jucier mileau.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and hollywood after all is the logical place to look for a Jewish nonzionist resistance movement. and within the porn industry certainly most of all.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;i wonder if anyone here knows anything about this?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.<br />
who on earth is Mr. Hoenlein, i said. is it a typo for heinlein? what would he have to do with it?</p>
<p>so i googled it and the most amazing narrative came up on top. it appears there is healthy and outspoken dissent *within* the american zionist community.</p>
<p>well maybe not exactly *within* i guess. but within the religious jewish community at any rate. it seems that the latter is not after all completely subsumed by the former. (aside from the traditional ortodoxy that surivives among some hassidim.) better and better. i am not alone.</p>
<p>it seems luke ford of lukeford.net is a convert to judaism who is a major journalist of the porn industry. which would label him as an outcast to us effete easterners, but not in hollywood, which is a much jucier mileau.</p>
<p>and hollywood after all is the logical place to look for a Jewish nonzionist resistance movement. and within the porn industry certainly most of all.</p>
<p>i wonder if anyone here knows anything about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Easton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Easton</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
[herewith i transplant an orphan comment buried at the ass end of one of yesterdays threads.]&lt;br /&gt;
.&lt;br /&gt;
listen ~martillo~. since you are intrested in the origins of things, how about this idea. that the judonian conspiracy goes all the way back to the priests of the temple in jerusalam, who in concert with their milia the zealots were gangster thugs who hid their apostasy behind a mask of godliness, absolutely similar to the zionists of today. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.<br />
[herewith i transplant an orphan comment buried at the ass end of one of yesterdays threads.]<br />
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listen ~martillo~. since you are intrested in the origins of things, how about this idea. that the judonian conspiracy goes all the way back to the priests of the temple in jerusalam, who in concert with their milia the zealots were gangster thugs who hid their apostasy behind a mask of godliness, absolutely similar to the zionists of today. </p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lysander, what do you think Egypt would do If Israel/USA attack Iran? And, if they don&#039;t, and Iran gains more deference in the area, even if nobody knows if it has/gets nukes?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lysander, what do you think Egypt would do If Israel/USA attack Iran? And, if they don&#39;t, and Iran gains more deference in the area, even if nobody knows if it has/gets nukes?</p>
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