Comments on: ‘J Street’ Seems to Be Finding a Niche http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html/comment-page-1#comment-57229 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/28/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html#comment-57229 <p>"Zionism has worked out to be an extremist ideology by and large. I think the biggest factor in its favor is assimilationism. "</p> <p>J Street is Zionism. If you appreciate J Street, then you appreciate Zionism.</p> <p>If you criticize expansionistic flavors of Zionism, that is an entirely different color.</p> <p><br /> "old". You and I are old. If you go to meetings of the left, peace groups, etc., they are also old.</p> <p><br /> A different question than what you are asking.</p> <p><br /> </p> "Zionism has worked out to be an extremist ideology by and large. I think the biggest factor in its favor is assimilationism. "

J Street is Zionism. If you appreciate J Street, then you appreciate Zionism.

If you criticize expansionistic flavors of Zionism, that is an entirely different color.

"old". You and I are old. If you go to meetings of the left, peace groups, etc., they are also old.

A different question than what you are asking.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html/comment-page-1#comment-57230 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/28/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html#comment-57230 <p>Assimilation is on a continuum.</p> <p>There is NO perfectly isolated, nor perfectly assimilated.</p> <p>You and I are cases in point.</p> Assimilation is on a continuum.

There is NO perfectly isolated, nor perfectly assimilated.

You and I are cases in point.

]]> By: David http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html/comment-page-1#comment-57231 David Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/28/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html#comment-57231 <p>Richard's right. You're old, he's old. Here's what a young Jew looks like<br /> http://youtube.com/watch?v=8JbnPkPMU5o</p> Richard's right. You're old, he's old. Here's what a young Jew looks like
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/28/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html#comment-57232 <p>The niche J Street appears to be finding is the ability to give the impression that change in US policy towards the Palestinians is possible. But in fact the policy - basically, colonise the natives, then offer them a 'generous compromise' based on 'demographic realities' - is one J Street endorses. </p> The niche J Street appears to be finding is the ability to give the impression that change in US policy towards the Palestinians is possible. But in fact the policy – basically, colonise the natives, then offer them a 'generous compromise' based on 'demographic realities' – is one J Street endorses.

]]> By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html/comment-page-1#comment-57233 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/28/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html#comment-57233 <p>"Here is J Street's great ad in the New York Times the other day."</p> <p>Great ad. But how much did it cost? Sending money to the Slimes just serves to fund the zionist establishment.</p> <p>For once, Richard Witty and I are in complete harmony: "J Street is Zionism. If you appreciate J Street, then you appreciate Zionism."</p> <p>WORD!!</p> "Here is J Street's great ad in the New York Times the other day."

Great ad. But how much did it cost? Sending money to the Slimes just serves to fund the zionist establishment.

For once, Richard Witty and I are in complete harmony: "J Street is Zionism. If you appreciate J Street, then you appreciate Zionism."

WORD!!

]]> By: Rupa Shah http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html/comment-page-1#comment-57234 Rupa Shah Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/28/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html#comment-57234 <p>Here is another one which indicates, Sen Obama still has not discovered 'J Street' or other progressive american jewish community!<br /> http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080630/hijab</p> Here is another one which indicates, Sen Obama still has not discovered 'J Street' or other progressive american jewish community!
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/28/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html#comment-57235 <p>I just watched the YouTube video on Birthright Israel linked to by David above.<br /> http://youtube.com/watch?v=8JbnPkPMU5o</p> <p> It featured the gorgeous Jamie Lynn Sigler, who played Tony Sopranos daughter on The Sopranos, who recently participated in the program with her unnamed American friend. In Israel, they were filmed on video, chatting:<br /> ----<br /> American Friend: …what we were talking about last night, if we had to go to war, I would almost rather go to war for Israel than America.</p> <p>Sigler: Yeah, it seems awful to say, growing up in America, but I feel more pride, connected to this country just in the past 10 days.<br /> ----<br /> This program is clearly designed to recruit Jewish American Zionists to commit both hard and soft treason against America.</p> <p>God knows, these two angel-faced Jewish American Princess airheads will never have to enlist in the US military, but both of them are the type of Jewish Zionists who, on the one hand, profess to be anti-war liberals, but on the other, are indoctrinated to give Israel free rein to murder and subjugate at will. No doubt, as they grow older and “wiser,” they will concede that it is sometimes necessary for even America to conduct wars -- so long as they are for Israel.</p> <p>Americans are subsidizing a country that indoctrinates Jewish Americans into Jewish nationalism, and then suborns those same Jews to commit treason against America.</p> <p> How many thousands of Zionist neo-Rosenbergs are out there just waiting to be activated by their Israeli handlers? And how many don’t even need to be activated to betray their own country, but do it out of the kind of conscious Israel-first loyalties (albeit in the incubation stage) that found expression in the conversation above? And how many mature Israel-firsters are methodically going about this treasonous business every day?</p> <p>The damage that the Jewish Zionists Neocons who were instrumental in lying America into the Iraq war have done thus far is likely merely the tip of the iceberg unless this problem is addressed. Even today, we're seeing the kind of pull that the new Rosenbergs have at the highest levels of government with the blatant Israel-first warmongering against Iran going on by the Bush administration and the Democrat Congress.</p> <p>It's really no longer a question -- Americans are today in an existential struggle against Zionism, with the lives of tens of thousands of US soldiers hanging in the balance.</p> <p>It’s time for an anti-Zionist movement of the severity, scope and tenaciousness that comprised the anti-Communist one.</p> I just watched the YouTube video on Birthright Israel linked to by David above.
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/28/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html#comment-57236 <p>Breira--now, that's My Back Pages. Takes me back to my youth & the deep dark past of being an American Jewish dissident in the 70s & beyond. Let's also remember New Jewish Agenda.</p> <p>I wouldn't use Ralph Seliger as an arbiter of what is good on the American Jewish scene regarding Israel. He supported the war in Lebanon almost till the bitter end & berated me mercilessly for my unyielding opposition to it. Regarding J Street, I guess the guy sometimes does get it right.</p> Breira–now, that's My Back Pages. Takes me back to my youth & the deep dark past of being an American Jewish dissident in the 70s & beyond. Let's also remember New Jewish Agenda.

I wouldn't use Ralph Seliger as an arbiter of what is good on the American Jewish scene regarding Israel. He supported the war in Lebanon almost till the bitter end & berated me mercilessly for my unyielding opposition to it. Regarding J Street, I guess the guy sometimes does get it right.

]]> By: Jonathon Plimpton http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html/comment-page-1#comment-57237 Jonathon Plimpton Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/28/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html#comment-57237 <p>As long as people see themselves as separate from others, by whatever insane rationale, by whatever degree, they will lack peace. Such judgements come from fear, which cannot co-exist with Love . . . for Perfect Love casts out all fear. From judgements come all the sorrows of the world. From Love comes the Peace of God. </p> <p>All judgement is self-judgement. It binds the eyes, giving rise to the blindness of hatred, and that of one's self. Directed toward others and their destruction, it is but one's self that is destroyed. Thus has it ever been. </p> As long as people see themselves as separate from others, by whatever insane rationale, by whatever degree, they will lack peace. Such judgements come from fear, which cannot co-exist with Love . . . for Perfect Love casts out all fear. From judgements come all the sorrows of the world. From Love comes the Peace of God.

All judgement is self-judgement. It binds the eyes, giving rise to the blindness of hatred, and that of one's self. Directed toward others and their destruction, it is but one's self that is destroyed. Thus has it ever been.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html/comment-page-1#comment-57238 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/28/here-is-a-fine-piece-celebrating-the-other-jewish-lobby-j-street.html#comment-57238 <p>Jonathon.<br /> Be careful about your use of "all". Its also an exageration of reality.</p> <p>Diversity (individuals and distinct communities) is also part of the native universe.</p> Jonathon.
Be careful about your use of "all". Its also an exageration of reality.

Diversity (individuals and distinct communities) is also part of the native universe.

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