And how is that goal different than the old-con?

You and others have repeated name-calling, inference, and suspicion. Is that "proof"?

Is it a description of "cause" or "will" or speculation? Is it cause or correlation?

And how do you distinguish the specific criticisms of specific individuals, even specific strategies, even specific ideologies, with the idiotic generalization that is engaged in here routinely of accusations "dual loyalty" applied to any that have sympathy with Israel?

And, how do you distinguish what IS the US interest?

Why is your bar so low on this Phil?

Why is your bar so low on this?

Who knows what you mean by that phrase? It is an illusion on your part, Charles.

The time that Phil and I hung out together, we were definitively exploring counter-culture themes.

The counter-culture included two distinct groups, that the anti-counter-culture didn't bother to distinguish.

They were the politicos – the new left largely, anti Vietnam War, extending into new Marxist formulations and its odd exagerations.

Then there were the culturalists. Hippies, drugs, sex, rock-n-roll, communal living, spirituality.

Overlap with the politicos (anti war, explorations of new economic relationships), but also overlap with the conventional (spirituality, ethics).

The neo-conservative movement. Its only a VERY recent popular fixation to regard the movement as a whole with Israel. Certainly there were prominent Jewish participants, converts to conservatism from pugnacious radicals to pugnacious conservatives.

And, they even discussed and published among themselves about ranges of issues that concerned them, and some even became in-laws (as old communists were a largely in-bred community over generations).

To exagerate that selection from multiple concerns into conspiracy of cabal, is an error.

It stifles thought to do so, in the name of opposing censorship (a hoot).

Its helpful in the world that new combinations of concerns get articulated. Thats how the world changes. That the neo-conservatives were one experiment of that is a good.

The conclusions that they came to as far as Iraq was concerned were not good. Good that they talked and explored. Avoidable errors in their math.

Errors that are content of arguments, that can and could have been analyzed and rejected, if people bothered with the content, rather than the horse race, the image, and conforming to those around them.

Limit the damage.

In-your-face treason. From Huffington Post:

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House Resolution 362, sponsored by Rep. Gary Ackerman, a New York [Jewish] Democrat, is moving quickly through the House. The resolution urges the Bush administration to prohibit the export to Iran of refined petroleum products, impose "stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran," and to prohibit all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran's nuclear program from travel outside the country.

Imposing "stringent inspection requirements" would amount to a naval blockade, many believe, and thus constitute an act of war.

Why are 96 House Democrats (along with 111 House Republicans) co-sponsoring this resolution? Aren't these the Democrats who rode into majorities in both houses on public revulsion against war in the Middle East?

According to a recent story on CBS News, the answer seems to be a "full-court press" by the government of Israel and the American-Israeli lobby AIPAC. CBS ran the story Tuesday as Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen was on his way to the Middle East to confer with Israeli government officials.

http://tinyurl.com/6qlm2f

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Oh, this is rich. Play it again, Sam:

"The resolution urges the Bush administration to prohibit the export to Iran of refined petroleum products."

ah ha ha ha
AH HA HA HA

The United 'Achilles Heel' States, which imports nigh on 70% of its energy, is going to implement a reverse embargo on Iran. No more Exxon/Mobil hi-test for you, ya turban-headed, ayatollah-worshipping freaks! No more 'tiger in your tank' to truck your satanic nuclear fuel out of Natanz, ye Persian perverts!

AH HA HA HA

[makes rude masturbatory gestures]

Ackerman … you're one great Israeli, dude.

If one is critical of Israel, one is denounced as anti-semetic.

If one is critical of AIPAC and its never ending quest to pilfer the pockets of american taxpayers in behalf of Israel, one is denounced as an anti-semetic extremist.

If one is critical of the ongoing genocidal Israeli policy twords the Palestinains, one is denounced as an anti-semetic extremist with ties to terrorism.