Comments on: If We Fail, We Will Keep Talking. And Keep Talking. And Keep Talking (Israeli Official Describes the Secret Peace Process) http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:18:06 +0000 hourly 1 By: Todd http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html/comment-page-1#comment-58299 Todd Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/08/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html#comment-58299 <p>"I felt bathed, as I never ever did at other times at AIPAC, by feelings of compassion for Palestinian suffering, and wanted to cry out, Here is a real Jew!!!" </p> <p>Just out of curiosity, how do you view a real American?</p> <p>"And pulling for my community to get over its selfishness, evident everywhere at this conference, and work on behalf of the true interests of another people."</p> <p>That would be nice. Which people are your people, and on whose behalf should they work?</p> <p>I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but those are the questions that came to mind after reading your post.</p> <p>As far as Tal Becker goes, he's probably just another Israeli talking. We'll see what he does, if he has any influence at all. </p> "I felt bathed, as I never ever did at other times at AIPAC, by feelings of compassion for Palestinian suffering, and wanted to cry out, Here is a real Jew!!!"

Just out of curiosity, how do you view a real American?

"And pulling for my community to get over its selfishness, evident everywhere at this conference, and work on behalf of the true interests of another people."

That would be nice. Which people are your people, and on whose behalf should they work?

I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but those are the questions that came to mind after reading your post.

As far as Tal Becker goes, he's probably just another Israeli talking. We'll see what he does, if he has any influence at all.

]]> By: samuel burke http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html/comment-page-1#comment-58300 samuel burke Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/08/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html#comment-58300 <p>obama sucking up to the dual allegiance americans.....and a grading on his statements before that lobby.</p> <p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVLXqHgLSTM&eurl=http://thestressblog.com/</p> obama sucking up to the dual allegiance americans…..and a grading on his statements before that lobby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVLXqHgLSTM&eurl=http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/08/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html#comment-58301 <p>Thanks, lately I have been wondering why I "feel" I don't like Tzipi Livni. For some strange reason, I can't locate the origins of it. But now I think, I'll her a chance.</p> Thanks, lately I have been wondering why I "feel" I don't like Tzipi Livni. For some strange reason, I can't locate the origins of it. But now I think, I'll her a chance.

]]> By: liberal white boy http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html/comment-page-1#comment-58302 liberal white boy Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/08/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html#comment-58302 <p>Some times all of this concern for Israel just makes me want to puke.</p> <p>Partners' In Crime...The Planner, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and The Complicit Observers...But Were Netanyahu and Sharon Just Observers? </p> <p>http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2008/06/partners-in-crimethe-planner-and.html<br /> </p> Some times all of this concern for Israel just makes me want to puke.

Partners' In Crime…The Planner, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and The Complicit Observers…But Were Netanyahu and Sharon Just Observers?

http://homo-sapien-underground.blogspot.com/2008/06/partners-in-crimethe-planner-and.html

]]> By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html/comment-page-1#comment-58303 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/08/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html#comment-58303 <p>.</p> <p>"Here Becker struck a militant chord ... hinting we will soon see an invasion of some sort in Gaza. 'There is no easy solution to Gaza. No easy military solution, no easy diplomatic solution.... Our goal is to delegitimize Hamas.'"</p> <p>Israel and the U.S. made a huge strategic mistake in supporting the 2006 Palestinian elections -- which they complacently assumed Fatah would win -- then immediately seeking to nullify the results when Hamas proved to be the victor.</p> <p>That was a monumental act of bad faith. Had they given Hamas a chance to govern, and Hamas proved unwilling to quell acts of terror, then there would have been a clearcut case for "delegitimizing" Hamas. But doing so based on the flimsy pretext of inflammatory statements in the Hamas charter, or by its more militant members, doesn't hold water. After all, Israel had some Jewish terrorist groups in its past as well.</p> <p>To amplify the error by invading Gaza, with large-scale civilian casualties, would be disastrous. I believe it would really coalesce the widespread revulsion toward Israel's Warsaw ghetto-style seige of Gaza. If this happens, I will become a strident advocate of a boycott of U.S. investment in Israel, and U.S. importation of Israeli goods.</p> <p>Israeli transport minister Mofaz already sucker-punched Americans on Friday with his belligerent comments about war with Iran. Oil rocketed to a record, and gasoline vaulted over four dollars a gallon. Thanks a lot, Israel! One more provocation from this astonishingly presumptuous little country, and it may just be time for a showdown with this phony-ass "ally." </p> .

"Here Becker struck a militant chord … hinting we will soon see an invasion of some sort in Gaza. 'There is no easy solution to Gaza. No easy military solution, no easy diplomatic solution…. Our goal is to delegitimize Hamas.'"

Israel and the U.S. made a huge strategic mistake in supporting the 2006 Palestinian elections — which they complacently assumed Fatah would win — then immediately seeking to nullify the results when Hamas proved to be the victor.

That was a monumental act of bad faith. Had they given Hamas a chance to govern, and Hamas proved unwilling to quell acts of terror, then there would have been a clearcut case for "delegitimizing" Hamas. But doing so based on the flimsy pretext of inflammatory statements in the Hamas charter, or by its more militant members, doesn't hold water. After all, Israel had some Jewish terrorist groups in its past as well.

To amplify the error by invading Gaza, with large-scale civilian casualties, would be disastrous. I believe it would really coalesce the widespread revulsion toward Israel's Warsaw ghetto-style seige of Gaza. If this happens, I will become a strident advocate of a boycott of U.S. investment in Israel, and U.S. importation of Israeli goods.

Israeli transport minister Mofaz already sucker-punched Americans on Friday with his belligerent comments about war with Iran. Oil rocketed to a record, and gasoline vaulted over four dollars a gallon. Thanks a lot, Israel! One more provocation from this astonishingly presumptuous little country, and it may just be time for a showdown with this phony-ass "ally."

]]> By: Todd http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html/comment-page-1#comment-58304 Todd Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/08/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html#comment-58304 <p>" One more provocation from this astonishingly presumptuous little country, and it may just be time for a showdown with this phony-ass "ally." </p> <p>Do we really need provocations to send Israel to the fate that it deserves? If we had leaders who were looking out for U.S. interests, the U.S would never have involved itself with Israel in the first place. Surely we don't need provocations to disassociate. </p> " One more provocation from this astonishingly presumptuous little country, and it may just be time for a showdown with this phony-ass "ally."

Do we really need provocations to send Israel to the fate that it deserves? If we had leaders who were looking out for U.S. interests, the U.S would never have involved itself with Israel in the first place. Surely we don't need provocations to disassociate.

]]> By: Montag http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html/comment-page-1#comment-58305 Montag Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/08/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html#comment-58305 <p>Zionism with a human face, that's all.</p> <p>In fact there IS an easy answer to Gaza, passive resistance. The rockets and mortars really aren't that effective as weapons, more as propaganda. Propaganda can be reversed to harm the perpetrator. The Israelis ask, "Why should Gazans live normal lives while we live in terror?" They have it backwards--the Gazans themselves would ask, "While we are living normal lives why should Israelis live in terror?" </p> <p>Let the militants pave the streets with weapons, for they will soon lose the will to use them if they wish to retain the support of the people. "The Israelis grow fat on our rockets," they will complain. "Why are we beating a dead horse?" </p> <p>Instead, of such a reasonable plan the Israelis have an unreasonable one. Reoccupy the Gaza Strip, "free" the Palestinians from the Hamas Government and install a quisling government. Then hand the whole mess over to UN forces (better they should take the casualties than the IDF) and hey, presto! Gaza becomes another Singapore. Everybody gets stinking rich and Israel can do what it likes with the West Bank. Suddenly passive resistance doesn't look like such a pipe dream, does it? </p> Zionism with a human face, that's all.

In fact there IS an easy answer to Gaza, passive resistance. The rockets and mortars really aren't that effective as weapons, more as propaganda. Propaganda can be reversed to harm the perpetrator. The Israelis ask, "Why should Gazans live normal lives while we live in terror?" They have it backwards–the Gazans themselves would ask, "While we are living normal lives why should Israelis live in terror?"

Let the militants pave the streets with weapons, for they will soon lose the will to use them if they wish to retain the support of the people. "The Israelis grow fat on our rockets," they will complain. "Why are we beating a dead horse?"

Instead, of such a reasonable plan the Israelis have an unreasonable one. Reoccupy the Gaza Strip, "free" the Palestinians from the Hamas Government and install a quisling government. Then hand the whole mess over to UN forces (better they should take the casualties than the IDF) and hey, presto! Gaza becomes another Singapore. Everybody gets stinking rich and Israel can do what it likes with the West Bank. Suddenly passive resistance doesn't look like such a pipe dream, does it?

]]> By: americangoy http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html/comment-page-1#comment-58306 americangoy Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/08/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html#comment-58306 <p>"We have to offer a real alternative to Hamas, now."</p> <p>This is hilarious.</p> <p>If y'all recall, Hamas began because Israel wanted an alternative to the PLO, and wanted a competing organization to split the Palestinians.</p> <p>How did that work out, again? </p> <p>Just L O L.</p> <p><br /> Also, Phil, I love you, but never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be taken by what a politician says.</p> <p>Only what he and his country DO.</p> <p>I know, Obama is a good speaker, and so is this guy but that is their JOB.</p> <p>It is really only bush, the "leader of the free world", who is a total nitwit and cannot string a proper sentence together.</p> "We have to offer a real alternative to Hamas, now."

This is hilarious.

If y'all recall, Hamas began because Israel wanted an alternative to the PLO, and wanted a competing organization to split the Palestinians.

How did that work out, again?

Just L O L.

Also, Phil, I love you, but never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be taken by what a politician says.

Only what he and his country DO.

I know, Obama is a good speaker, and so is this guy but that is their JOB.

It is really only bush, the "leader of the free world", who is a total nitwit and cannot string a proper sentence together.

]]> By: Willy Drager, USMC http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html/comment-page-1#comment-58307 Willy Drager, USMC Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/08/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html#comment-58307 <p>Haygood must lead a fascinating life! When he's not standing on street corners in suburbia protesting . . .whatever, he's jerking off to his revenge fantasies. Where does his hatred come from? Did a Jew get into art school in his place?<br /> Since he was too much of a pussy to serve his country I'd say he should defer to men like me on this subject.<br /> Notice, by the way, how Haygood et al react to a reasonable Israeli. That seems to offend them even more . . .</p> Haygood must lead a fascinating life! When he's not standing on street corners in suburbia protesting . . .whatever, he's jerking off to his revenge fantasies. Where does his hatred come from? Did a Jew get into art school in his place?
Since he was too much of a pussy to serve his country I'd say he should defer to men like me on this subject.
Notice, by the way, how Haygood et al react to a reasonable Israeli. That seems to offend them even more . . .

]]> By: Todd http://mondoweiss.net/2008/06/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html/comment-page-1#comment-58308 Todd Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/06/08/ive-failed-as-a-journalist-to-convey-one-of-the-most-important-events-at-the-aipac-policy-conference-the-appearance-by-tal-becker-the-chief-policy-adviser-to-tzipi-livni-the-foreign-minister-this-was.html#comment-58308 <p>Haygood can defend himself, I'm sure. But you have to see the difference between an American citizen protesting government policy, and some jackass Israeli who shouldn't even be in the country doing the bidding of a foreign government. You see the difference, don't you? </p> <p>The Isreali should not have a political voice or opinion. To be honest, he and his family should be sent packing. </p> Haygood can defend himself, I'm sure. But you have to see the difference between an American citizen protesting government policy, and some jackass Israeli who shouldn't even be in the country doing the bidding of a foreign government. You see the difference, don't you?

The Isreali should not have a political voice or opinion. To be honest, he and his family should be sent packing.

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