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	<title>Comments on: Rightwing Zionist Group at U of C Calls to Jews &#8216;With a Strong Jewish Identity&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is periodic harrassment of Jews on campuses.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its not enough to describe the campuses as &quot;unsafe&quot;, but it is enough to describe certain settings as unsafe.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is periodic harrassment of Jews on campuses.</p>
<p>Its not enough to describe the campuses as &quot;unsafe&quot;, but it is enough to describe certain settings as unsafe.</p>
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		<title>By: cogit8</title>
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		<dc:creator>cogit8</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Those Arab-muslamic radicals at UCI must stop harrassing Jews by showing pictures of Palestinian kids with their heads blown off!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How dare that someone actually shows the truth about the Jewish State&#039;s cruelty, this is a hate crime against Jews.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>How dare that someone actually shows the truth about the Jewish State&#39;s cruelty, this is a hate crime against Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Sisken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Sisken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A couple of responses to Richard Witty.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First, I don&#039;t have a problem accepting that there is &quot;periodic harassment of Jews on campuses,&quot; but I&#039;d like a lot more specifics on what you mean by &quot;periodic&quot; and, especially, &quot;harassment.&quot; Also which campuses?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Second, how does this harassment compare with the harassment of Africa-Americans and Arabs? I&#039;d guess it&#039;s significantly less, but it&#039;s an empirical point. And let&#039;s not forget those serial harassers Daniel Pipes,     David Horowitz, et. al. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of responses to Richard Witty.</p>
<p>First, I don&#39;t have a problem accepting that there is &quot;periodic harassment of Jews on campuses,&quot; but I&#39;d like a lot more specifics on what you mean by &quot;periodic&quot; and, especially, &quot;harassment.&quot; Also which campuses?</p>
<p>Second, how does this harassment compare with the harassment of Africa-Americans and Arabs? I&#39;d guess it&#39;s significantly less, but it&#39;s an empirical point. And let&#39;s not forget those serial harassers Daniel Pipes,     David Horowitz, et. al. </p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt; &quot;Israel, whose apartheidlike policies, and the requirement that American Jews support them blindly, are making Judaism unpopular.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Israel and it&#039;s abuses are the essence of Judaism, and Jews, not surprisingly then, have always been unpopular. The only variable is the extent to which they have been able to use their money and guile to shield themselves from the consequences of their behavior. This is one reason why so many Jews advocate authoritarian governments in countries in which they wield disproportionate power: so they can direct it to wage war on their enemies and use it to insulate themselves from the consequences of their own abuses.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But the tail can only wag the dog for so long, as we are today finally seeing in America.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Most Jews of conscious are leaving organized Jewry, which consequently pares down those who remain to only the hardest-core bigots, who will never be touched by rationalism or reason. The stiff-necked people, such as it always has been. Bigoted, stiff-necked ethnic fundamentalists cannot survive but amongst their own. Israel was established for this very reason.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Liberal Jews tend to think the solution to this quandary is the elimination of Israel as a Jewish state. Ethnic fundamentalist Jews who insist on living in the diaspora think the solution to this problem is the destruction of organized Jewry&#039;s multiplicity of enemies. The problem for both sides is the fundamental nature of Judaism -- which indoctrinates Jews towards ruthless ambition, powerful group consciousness and supremacism .&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Either Judaism will change its ways and cease being Judaism, or it won&#039;t, in which case the only Jews remaining will, and should only, dwell in Israel, for their own protection and everybody else’s. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem isn’t Judaism, which has always been the way it is; the problem is diaspora Jews who want it all.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &quot;Israel, whose apartheidlike policies, and the requirement that American Jews support them blindly, are making Judaism unpopular.&quot; </p>
<p>Israel and it&#39;s abuses are the essence of Judaism, and Jews, not surprisingly then, have always been unpopular. The only variable is the extent to which they have been able to use their money and guile to shield themselves from the consequences of their behavior. This is one reason why so many Jews advocate authoritarian governments in countries in which they wield disproportionate power: so they can direct it to wage war on their enemies and use it to insulate themselves from the consequences of their own abuses.</p>
<p>But the tail can only wag the dog for so long, as we are today finally seeing in America.</p>
<p>Most Jews of conscious are leaving organized Jewry, which consequently pares down those who remain to only the hardest-core bigots, who will never be touched by rationalism or reason. The stiff-necked people, such as it always has been. Bigoted, stiff-necked ethnic fundamentalists cannot survive but amongst their own. Israel was established for this very reason.</p>
<p>Liberal Jews tend to think the solution to this quandary is the elimination of Israel as a Jewish state. Ethnic fundamentalist Jews who insist on living in the diaspora think the solution to this problem is the destruction of organized Jewry&#39;s multiplicity of enemies. The problem for both sides is the fundamental nature of Judaism &#8212; which indoctrinates Jews towards ruthless ambition, powerful group consciousness and supremacism .</p>
<p>Either Judaism will change its ways and cease being Judaism, or it won&#39;t, in which case the only Jews remaining will, and should only, dwell in Israel, for their own protection and everybody else’s. </p>
<p>The problem isn’t Judaism, which has always been the way it is; the problem is diaspora Jews who want it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think a good look at history supports Ed&#039;s position here. Anti-semitism did not spring full grown from the empty head of Zeus or Medusa, etc. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a good look at history supports Ed&#39;s position here. Anti-semitism did not spring full grown from the empty head of Zeus or Medusa, etc. </p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;There is periodic harrassment of Jews on campuses&quot;--Witty&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Particular Jews, or Jews as a tribal group? How about some concrete examples? How unsafe? For their ideas? &lt;br /&gt;
Did somebody turn a water hose on some Jews? What is the nature of the harrasment? Again, some examples, please.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;There is periodic harrassment of Jews on campuses&quot;&#8211;Witty</p>
<p>Particular Jews, or Jews as a tribal group? How about some concrete examples? How unsafe? For their ideas? <br />
Did somebody turn a water hose on some Jews? What is the nature of the harrasment? Again, some examples, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Keating</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And on my earlier point, I don&#039;t mean to imply that Jews &quot;deserve&quot; anti-semitism, as such. It&#039;s just that wherever Jews have lived, they have been hated by everyone. Creating their own nation doesn&#039;t seem to have helped. That doesn&#039;t mean they should be harrased, not to mention killed, but it does mean that Jews have to decide whether to be Jews or not. Responsible humanists like Phil will decide to intermarry, have no children, and, as it were &quot;kill the Jew&quot; within themselves. That, to me, seems like a good compromise. If only more Jews did that a generation or two before Hitler there would have been no World War Two!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on my earlier point, I don&#39;t mean to imply that Jews &quot;deserve&quot; anti-semitism, as such. It&#39;s just that wherever Jews have lived, they have been hated by everyone. Creating their own nation doesn&#39;t seem to have helped. That doesn&#39;t mean they should be harrased, not to mention killed, but it does mean that Jews have to decide whether to be Jews or not. Responsible humanists like Phil will decide to intermarry, have no children, and, as it were &quot;kill the Jew&quot; within themselves. That, to me, seems like a good compromise. If only more Jews did that a generation or two before Hitler there would have been no World War Two!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Charles Keating, fantastic line of reasoning! Let me translate: to be a Jew is like to have a genetic disease. We should not kill people with genetic diseases or Jews, god forbid! but they should realize that the continuation of their lineage is detrimental to the eugenics of mankind and so choose to eliminate themselves by having no children. Look at Phil: he married not for love and decided not to have children just out of this consideration: not to continue genetic pollution of human race, &lt;br /&gt;
This is what goes for &quot;humanism&quot; nowadays in Charles&#039; head. &lt;br /&gt;
Regardless of your erroneous interpretation of history, Charles, I pity you... And, why, on earth, did you marry a Jew?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Keating, fantastic line of reasoning! Let me translate: to be a Jew is like to have a genetic disease. We should not kill people with genetic diseases or Jews, god forbid! but they should realize that the continuation of their lineage is detrimental to the eugenics of mankind and so choose to eliminate themselves by having no children. Look at Phil: he married not for love and decided not to have children just out of this consideration: not to continue genetic pollution of human race, <br />
This is what goes for &quot;humanism&quot; nowadays in Charles&#39; head. <br />
Regardless of your erroneous interpretation of history, Charles, I pity you&#8230; And, why, on earth, did you marry a Jew?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;wherever Jews have lived, they have been hated by everyone. Creating their own nation doesn&#039;t seem to have helped.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Charles, it would have helped (and still could) but for diaspora Jews insisting on seeing to it through their money, lobbying, institutional infiltration and nation-within-a-nation organization that Israel gets free rein to do as it pleases with no accountability. This, combined with the aggressive, ethnic fundamentalist Jewish nature, then results in Israeli crimes against Palestinians and other neighbors, and spirals into diaspora Jewish Neocons, for example, using Israel as the cause-celibre to lie American into the Iraq war.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Those of a left-liberal bent always think the solution to the problems that arise from ethnic or religious cohesion is to have the State snuff out the religious or ethnic group. In addition to being immoral and misanthropic, this is impractical as human beings naturally organize themselves into groups according to shared values, and always will. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Again, the problem is diaspora Jewish Zionists whose primary loyalty is to Israel and Jewish ethnic fundamentalism, but don&#039;t want to live in Israel. They refuse to assimilate and want to keep their distinct Jewish identity and network, yet they pose as, for example, patriotic Americans so they can manipulate and use America on behalf of Israel. This is why they belong IN Israel.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jews who do not share this fanaticism will inevitably, over time, assimilate and drop their Jewish identity entirely. Ethnic fundamentalist Jews understand this, which is why they are so desperate to define and demonize these as self-hating Jews, when in fact they are actually Christianized Jews, a species that ethnic fundamentalist Jews hate probably even more than gentiles.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ethnic fundamentalist Jews, however, have a right to exist, as does any ethnic group; but they don’t have the right to exist as a subversive minority political movement in non-Jewish countries that attempts to illegally overthrow the interests of the majority, and enslave it to their own group’s interests. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So what is to be done with them? Send them to Israel, where they can be true to their nature and instincts without posing an existential threat to non-Jews. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for how this will help the Palestinians, it’s pretty difficult to lobby the American government as an American, and convince even the corrupt status-quo American politicians that your interests are American interests, if you are living in Israel.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Without diaspora ethnic fundamentalist Jewish Zionists lobbying as Americans, unconditional, blank check support to Israel will lose most of the wind in its sails, and the corrupt war-profiteering lobby will no longer be able to use Israel as a pretext for Empire aggression, which is designed primarily to enrich an American oligarchy. Why? Because their Trojan Horse now dwells in Israel.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;wherever Jews have lived, they have been hated by everyone. Creating their own nation doesn&#39;t seem to have helped.&quot;</p>
<p>Charles, it would have helped (and still could) but for diaspora Jews insisting on seeing to it through their money, lobbying, institutional infiltration and nation-within-a-nation organization that Israel gets free rein to do as it pleases with no accountability. This, combined with the aggressive, ethnic fundamentalist Jewish nature, then results in Israeli crimes against Palestinians and other neighbors, and spirals into diaspora Jewish Neocons, for example, using Israel as the cause-celibre to lie American into the Iraq war.</p>
<p>Those of a left-liberal bent always think the solution to the problems that arise from ethnic or religious cohesion is to have the State snuff out the religious or ethnic group. In addition to being immoral and misanthropic, this is impractical as human beings naturally organize themselves into groups according to shared values, and always will. </p>
<p>Again, the problem is diaspora Jewish Zionists whose primary loyalty is to Israel and Jewish ethnic fundamentalism, but don&#39;t want to live in Israel. They refuse to assimilate and want to keep their distinct Jewish identity and network, yet they pose as, for example, patriotic Americans so they can manipulate and use America on behalf of Israel. This is why they belong IN Israel.</p>
<p>Jews who do not share this fanaticism will inevitably, over time, assimilate and drop their Jewish identity entirely. Ethnic fundamentalist Jews understand this, which is why they are so desperate to define and demonize these as self-hating Jews, when in fact they are actually Christianized Jews, a species that ethnic fundamentalist Jews hate probably even more than gentiles.</p>
<p>Ethnic fundamentalist Jews, however, have a right to exist, as does any ethnic group; but they don’t have the right to exist as a subversive minority political movement in non-Jewish countries that attempts to illegally overthrow the interests of the majority, and enslave it to their own group’s interests. </p>
<p>So what is to be done with them? Send them to Israel, where they can be true to their nature and instincts without posing an existential threat to non-Jews. </p>
<p>As for how this will help the Palestinians, it’s pretty difficult to lobby the American government as an American, and convince even the corrupt status-quo American politicians that your interests are American interests, if you are living in Israel.</p>
<p>Without diaspora ethnic fundamentalist Jewish Zionists lobbying as Americans, unconditional, blank check support to Israel will lose most of the wind in its sails, and the corrupt war-profiteering lobby will no longer be able to use Israel as a pretext for Empire aggression, which is designed primarily to enrich an American oligarchy. Why? Because their Trojan Horse now dwells in Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Example of theoretical future dialogue between Congressmen X and War Profiteering Oligarch:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;War Profiteering Oligarch: Congressman X, Israel is threatened by her neighbors. We must take military action immediately! &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; Congressmen X: Why are you so worried about Israel? Are you a Jewish Zionist? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;War Profiteering Oligarch: Of course not! They were encouraged to emigrate to Israel for their anti-American subversion. But Israel is still our ally!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Congressman X: The US government is putting Americans first, now. If you want to sell your weaponry or wars to the government, you&#039;re going go have to prove it is in American interests. Ever since America was lied into the Iraq war by Jewish and Christian Zionists and their war-profiteering partners, Americans have grown wise to the scams of your ilk. Are you sure you’re not a Jewish Zionist?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;War Profiteering Oligarch: I…er…well…uh, never mind. [slinks off]&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Example of theoretical future dialogue between Congressmen X and War Profiteering Oligarch:</p>
<p>War Profiteering Oligarch: Congressman X, Israel is threatened by her neighbors. We must take military action immediately! </p>
<p> Congressmen X: Why are you so worried about Israel? Are you a Jewish Zionist? </p>
<p>War Profiteering Oligarch: Of course not! They were encouraged to emigrate to Israel for their anti-American subversion. But Israel is still our ally!</p>
<p>Congressman X: The US government is putting Americans first, now. If you want to sell your weaponry or wars to the government, you&#39;re going go have to prove it is in American interests. Ever since America was lied into the Iraq war by Jewish and Christian Zionists and their war-profiteering partners, Americans have grown wise to the scams of your ilk. Are you sure you’re not a Jewish Zionist?</p>
<p>War Profiteering Oligarch: I…er…well…uh, never mind. [slinks off]</p>
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