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	<title>Comments on: I Believe Pseudonymous Salesman of Zionism to Catholics Is David Goldman&#8211;Neocon and Former LaRouchie</title>
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		<title>By: FunnyMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunnyMan</dc:creator>
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		<description>I like the Spengler.      Your charges of racism are baseless. Your gripes are small items which you amplify to the Nth degree.     My true test of character is a mind experiment.  Would I feel comfortable in a room of 10 Spenglers and a circular saw......which I would.  I can not say the same of many others in the middle east.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Spengler.      Your charges of racism are baseless. Your gripes are small items which you amplify to the Nth degree.     My true test of character is a mind experiment.  Would I feel comfortable in a room of 10 Spenglers and a circular saw&#8230;&#8230;which I would.  I can not say the same of many others in the middle east.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The following was written awhile back somewhat tongue-in-cheek:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Duel-identity makes Judeofascists dangerously schizo; Deport them--it’s why Israel was created &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.judeofascism.com/2008/04/duel-identity-makes-judeofascists.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But it is increasingly gaining merit as a real-world remedy to the Jewish Zionist network-within-a-nation-within-a-nation menace.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following was written awhile back somewhat tongue-in-cheek:</p>
<p>Duel-identity makes Judeofascists dangerously schizo; Deport them&#8211;it’s why Israel was created <br />
<a href="http://www.judeofascism.com/2008/04/duel-identity-makes-judeofascists.html/p">link to judeofascism.com</a></p>
<p>But it is increasingly gaining merit as a real-world remedy to the Jewish Zionist network-within-a-nation-within-a-nation menace.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is a sort of Jewish tradition of telling Catholics how to practice their religion: http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2008/02/jewish-zionist-war-against-salvation.html .&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here is Spengler/Goldman on Rosenzweig on Islam: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/EL02Aa01.html .&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It packs an amazing amount of misconceptions in a short piece. Both Orthodox Christianity and Islam represent fairly direct evolution of pre-hurban Second Temple Judaism, while Rabbinic Judaism is a much later and more more divergent development of post-Hurban intellectual currents.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a sort of Jewish tradition of telling Catholics how to practice their religion: <a href="http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2008/02/jewish-zionist-war-against-salvation.html">link to eaazi.blogspot.com</a><br /> .</p>
<p>Here is Spengler/Goldman on Rosenzweig on Islam: <a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/EL02Aa01.html">link to atimes.com</a><br /> .</p>
<p>It packs an amazing amount of misconceptions in a short piece. Both Orthodox Christianity and Islam represent fairly direct evolution of pre-hurban Second Temple Judaism, while Rabbinic Judaism is a much later and more more divergent development of post-Hurban intellectual currents.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;I don&#039;t say that Spengler exactly has pretended he wasn&#039;t Jewish, but that he was perhaps deliberately ambiguous about his background, affecting a familiarity with things Christian that might convince those with only a nodding acquaintance.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Same impression here. Spengler can reel off a lot more theological references than your average layman. But he seems to have missed the whole point of religion, about loving your neighbor as yourself. He definitely evinces a cold-blooded, prejudiced hostility toward Muslims.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good work on investigating and (apparently) outing him. It&#039;s no surprise that he is something other than what he represented himself to be. His link to the megalomaniac LaRouche is revealing. While they may have split up, &#039;Spengler&#039; shares the enormous egotism of LaRouche, one of whose minions wrote this week that &quot;the only alternative to [a banking system bailout] is a return to the American System policies of Hamilton, Lincoln, FDR, and LaRouche.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2008/3524banking_crisis_back.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The convict LaRouche as American statesman -- charming! Despite LaRouche being the obvious odd man out, all four could be called robust interventionists,  a category to which Spengler clearly sees himself as belonging. But it&#039;s his taint of sociopathy -- his internalized worldview that others are mere pawns to be manipulated for his benefit -- which makes Spengler so very unpleasant to read. Thus the Asia Times has been dropped from my bookmarks, despite some other talented writers who contribute to it.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>&quot;I don&#39;t say that Spengler exactly has pretended he wasn&#39;t Jewish, but that he was perhaps deliberately ambiguous about his background, affecting a familiarity with things Christian that might convince those with only a nodding acquaintance.&quot;</p>
<p>Same impression here. Spengler can reel off a lot more theological references than your average layman. But he seems to have missed the whole point of religion, about loving your neighbor as yourself. He definitely evinces a cold-blooded, prejudiced hostility toward Muslims.</p>
<p>Good work on investigating and (apparently) outing him. It&#39;s no surprise that he is something other than what he represented himself to be. His link to the megalomaniac LaRouche is revealing. While they may have split up, &#39;Spengler&#39; shares the enormous egotism of LaRouche, one of whose minions wrote this week that &quot;the only alternative to [a banking system bailout] is a return to the American System policies of Hamilton, Lincoln, FDR, and LaRouche.&quot;</p>
<p>http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2008/3524banking_crisis_back.html</p>
<p>The convict LaRouche as American statesman &#8212; charming! Despite LaRouche being the obvious odd man out, all four could be called robust interventionists,  a category to which Spengler clearly sees himself as belonging. But it&#39;s his taint of sociopathy &#8212; his internalized worldview that others are mere pawns to be manipulated for his benefit &#8212; which makes Spengler so very unpleasant to read. Thus the Asia Times has been dropped from my bookmarks, despite some other talented writers who contribute to it.</p>
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		<title>By: samuelburke</title>
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		<dc:creator>samuelburke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil, i think that jr nyquist is the neocon representative to the financial gold is real money community.&lt;br /&gt;
this individual spews neocon propaganda once a week to that community.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/main.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, i think that jr nyquist is the neocon representative to the financial gold is real money community.<br />
this individual spews neocon propaganda once a week to that community.</p>
<p>http://financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/main.html</p>
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		<title>By: John Dickerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dickerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot; And Goldman&#039;s deceptions get at one of my main problems with Zionism. Fearful of abandonment, it has marketed itself to non-Jewish westerners again and again in unstraightforward ways.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;THIS SEEMS SIMILAR TO THE WAY THAT THE IRAQ WAR WAS MARKETED IN LESS THAN STRAIGHTFORWARD WAYS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. The Republicans, especially the Bush/Cheney administration, seem to indulge quite heavily in such less than straightforward marketing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;P.S. Nice seeing Mr. Weiss on &#039;The Colbert Nation&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot; And Goldman&#39;s deceptions get at one of my main problems with Zionism. Fearful of abandonment, it has marketed itself to non-Jewish westerners again and again in unstraightforward ways.&quot;</p>
<p>THIS SEEMS SIMILAR TO THE WAY THAT THE IRAQ WAR WAS MARKETED IN LESS THAN STRAIGHTFORWARD WAYS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. The Republicans, especially the Bush/Cheney administration, seem to indulge quite heavily in such less than straightforward marketing.</p>
<p>P.S. Nice seeing Mr. Weiss on &#39;The Colbert Nation&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What a pity. This kid has deleted the whole Spengler article on Wikipedia:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DerHexer&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The claim that it could be self-advertisement was understandable, but far from all. I voted that people that already looked into the matter be given a chance to change it. There was an interesting guy that linked his discovery in the talk section. Spengler quite obviously claimed A EU paper supported something, while, if you read the paper you&#039;ll discover it does not support him. I would have loved to alert that blogger to your article. But maybe he will find the way himself. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks! http://addictomatic.com/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Calling out Spengler: http://tinyurl.com/5z7uea&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And thank you to Mark for one wonderful passage! :)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a pity. This kid has deleted the whole Spengler article on Wikipedia:</p>
<p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DerHexer</p>
<p>The claim that it could be self-advertisement was understandable, but far from all. I voted that people that already looked into the matter be given a chance to change it. There was an interesting guy that linked his discovery in the talk section. Spengler quite obviously claimed A EU paper supported something, while, if you read the paper you&#39;ll discover it does not support him. I would have loved to alert that blogger to your article. But maybe he will find the way himself. </p>
<p>Thanks! <a href="http://addictomatic.com//p">link to addictomatic.com</a></p>
<p>Calling out Spengler: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5z7uea/p">link to tinyurl.com</a></p>
<p>And thank you to Mark for one wonderful passage! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why did Goldman (or whoever he is) choose the nom de plume &#039;Spengler&#039;? The real Spengler -- Oswald -- is best known for his book &#039;The Decline of the West&#039; (1918). Presumably his acolyte sees the West threatened by some religious menace: &#039;Islamofascism,&#039; or paganism. But the moniker may be more apt than Goldman thought.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The decline of the U.S. can be dated very precisely: to 15 August 1971, when Nixon delinked the dollar from gold, destroying the post-WW II Bretton Woods global monetary regime. As an immediate consequence, the first oil shock followed in October 1973. Real wages in the U.S. have been stagnant ever since. The apparent boom from 1982 until now has been based on (1) two-earner families, and (2) rising debt. America is in decline, and has been for nearly four decades.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But the origins of imperial decadence go back earlier, to the end of World War II. Unlike the case after previous wars, the U.S. never demobilized. Its troops stayed in Germany, Britain, Japan, and remain to this day. The wartime intelligence service became the CIA, and secret government began.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But also, as we were just reminded last month, the zionist project came to fruition in 1948. Israel would seem to be a relatively minor appendage to the U.S. empire. But the cumulative amount of tribute sent to Israel, reckoned in depreciated 2008 dollars, is profound. Add the $3 trillion cost of the Iraq war -- multiplied by whatever percentage of it you attribute to the influence of Israel Lobby -- and the sums easily mount into the trillions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Israel itself could not cause collapse the United States. But its disastrous influence on U.S. mideast policy -- the hopeless engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now the specter of conflict with Iran -- certainly could. The economic Achilles heel of the U.S. is oil. Yet Zionism demands that the U.S. goad the Islamic world in the eye with a stick, as it finances the Israeli seige of the open sore of Gaza.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, the neocon Spengler unwittingly casts himself as the single-handed protagonist in engineering the Decline of the West. You doin&#039; pretty good so far, David! You gonna crash the market tomorrow, or what? Because economic collapse is probably the best and only way to discredit the neocon crime spree which sucked the lifeblood out of America, and left behind a looted shell.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Why did Goldman (or whoever he is) choose the nom de plume &#39;Spengler&#39;? The real Spengler &#8212; Oswald &#8212; is best known for his book &#39;The Decline of the West&#39; (1918). Presumably his acolyte sees the West threatened by some religious menace: &#39;Islamofascism,&#39; or paganism. But the moniker may be more apt than Goldman thought.</p>
<p>The decline of the U.S. can be dated very precisely: to 15 August 1971, when Nixon delinked the dollar from gold, destroying the post-WW II Bretton Woods global monetary regime. As an immediate consequence, the first oil shock followed in October 1973. Real wages in the U.S. have been stagnant ever since. The apparent boom from 1982 until now has been based on (1) two-earner families, and (2) rising debt. America is in decline, and has been for nearly four decades.</p>
<p>But the origins of imperial decadence go back earlier, to the end of World War II. Unlike the case after previous wars, the U.S. never demobilized. Its troops stayed in Germany, Britain, Japan, and remain to this day. The wartime intelligence service became the CIA, and secret government began.</p>
<p>But also, as we were just reminded last month, the zionist project came to fruition in 1948. Israel would seem to be a relatively minor appendage to the U.S. empire. But the cumulative amount of tribute sent to Israel, reckoned in depreciated 2008 dollars, is profound. Add the $3 trillion cost of the Iraq war &#8212; multiplied by whatever percentage of it you attribute to the influence of Israel Lobby &#8212; and the sums easily mount into the trillions.</p>
<p>Israel itself could not cause collapse the United States. But its disastrous influence on U.S. mideast policy &#8212; the hopeless engagements in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now the specter of conflict with Iran &#8212; certainly could. The economic Achilles heel of the U.S. is oil. Yet Zionism demands that the U.S. goad the Islamic world in the eye with a stick, as it finances the Israeli seige of the open sore of Gaza.</p>
<p>So, the neocon Spengler unwittingly casts himself as the single-handed protagonist in engineering the Decline of the West. You doin&#39; pretty good so far, David! You gonna crash the market tomorrow, or what? Because economic collapse is probably the best and only way to discredit the neocon crime spree which sucked the lifeblood out of America, and left behind a looted shell.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That Spengler is a jew is no news for people who read him years ago. I was searching for the exact comment from Jose Pardinas when he trashed Spengler, but it seems the comment has been censored by Asia Times. The only excerpt I could find was:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Now I know for sure that Spengler belongs to the tribe, the only tribe that is arrogant and believes in [its] superiority over others and that will go to&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Apt-BR%3Aofficial&amp;hs=bAa&amp;q=%22Now+I+know+for+sure+that+Spengler+belongs+to+the+tribe%2C+the+only+tribe+that+is+arrogant+and+believes+in+%5Bits%5D+superiority+over+others+and+that+will+go+to%22&amp;btnG=Search&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sure this page will be lost in time too.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Spengler is a jew is no news for people who read him years ago. I was searching for the exact comment from Jose Pardinas when he trashed Spengler, but it seems the comment has been censored by Asia Times. The only excerpt I could find was:</p>
<p>&quot;Now I know for sure that Spengler belongs to the tribe, the only tribe that is arrogant and believes in [its] superiority over others and that will go to&quot;</p>
<p>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Apt-BR%3Aofficial&amp;hs=bAa&amp;q=%22Now+I+know+for+sure+that+Spengler+belongs+to+the+tribe%2C+the+only+tribe+that+is+arrogant+and+believes+in+%5Bits%5D+superiority+over+others+and+that+will+go+to%22&amp;btnG=Search</p>
<p>Sure this page will be lost in time too.</p>
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		<title>By: Oarwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oarwell</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt; (from a letter I wrote a year ago to First Things, in which I quote from a post by Casey Khan on LRC, calling the FT bunch &quot;Court Theologians&quot;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[Khan] &quot;In response to Bush&#039;s commencement address given at St. Vincent&#039;s College, a Benedictine institution outside Pittsburg, faculty, students, and families have rightly protested the president&#039;s presence on campus: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;In an open letter, St. Vincent faculty said the war in Iraq is not a just war, as defined by Catholic doctrine. The letter accused the president of launching a &#039;preemptive, unprovoked war&#039; and stifling debate at home through &#039;fear-mongering and threats.&#039;&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It will be interesting to hear how the court theologians respond to this incident. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;St. Vincent pray for us.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;[end Casey Khan quote]&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That last hyperlink (&quot;court theologians&quot;) was to George Weigel&#039;s First Things article &#039;Iraq: Then &amp; Now,&#039; which opens with the deathless sentence &quot;Even as history continues to unfold--and explode--in ancient Mesopotamia...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&#039;Court theologians&#039; pretty much sums it up.  How JRN, Weigel and the rest of you can pretend that the war on Iraq is anything but an imperialist grab at oil is nothing short of amazing.  And the joke of it is, the forces of Mammon for whom you provide such prolix apologia care not one whit for your tergiversation: they would have quite happily, without qualm, ordered the slaughter without your cheerleading.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But you look awfully nice in those skirts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How can Weigel have penned these words without being conscious of Orwell&#039;s admonition in &#039;Politics &amp; the English language&#039; about words being used to mask lies?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Weigel:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;In other words, the just war tradition is, first and foremost, a tradition of prudential political reasoning about good political ends, informed by the natural moral law; the natural law dimension of just war reasoning also creates the possibility of a public moral grammar for the public deliberation of public goods. The just war tradition begins not with casuistry about this or that particular military or nonmilitary option, and not with a set of hurdles that moral theorists set before statesmen, but with the legitimate sovereign’s moral obligation to defend and promote right order.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ha!  And the result of this casuistry?  That the Iraq invasion is just!  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Orwell brilliantly lampoons this style by &quot;translating&quot; scripture,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; &quot; Ecclesiastes 9:11 ,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“ I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all. ” &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
into &quot;modern English of the worst sort,&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“ Objective considerations of contemporary phenomena compel the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Elsewhere in the essay, Orwell examined what he believed to be a close association between bad prose and inhumane ideology:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“ Consider for instance some comfortable English professor defending Russian totalitarianism. He cannot say outright, &quot;I believe in killing off your opponents when you can get good results by doing so.&quot; Probably, therefore, he will say something like this: &lt;br /&gt;
While freely conceding that the Soviet regime exhibits certain features which the humanitarian may be inclined to deplore, we must, I think, agree that a certain curtailment of the right to political opposition is an unavoidable concomitant of transitional periods, and that the rigours which the Russian people have been called upon to undergo have been amply justified in the sphere of concrete achievement.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Orwell comments that:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;“ The inflated style itself is a kind of euphemism. A mass of Latin words falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outline and covering up all the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one&#039;s real and one&#039;s declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink. In our age there is no such thing as &quot;keeping out of politics.&quot; All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia. When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer. I should expect to find—this is a guess which I have not sufficient knowledge to verify—that the German, Russian and Italian languages have all deteriorated in the last ten or fifteen years, as a result of dictatorship. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Replace &quot;Russian totalitarianism&quot; above with &quot;The Rape of Iraq&quot; and one sees the true prophetic nature of Sir George&#039;s writings.  Weigel and Neuhaus would do themselves favors to read and ponder Orwell&#039;s words.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My own favorite idiocy from the Weigel piece (there were so many) is this:  &quot;The Iraq War has also had a dramatic impact in the world of ideas.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It certainly has!  Torture has now returned as a defensible idea, embraced as a matter of utility by the noble defenders of Freedom&#039;s Land, and the security of the Homeland.  Torture reintroduces itself into the &quot;world of ideas,&quot; into the polite salons of the demimonde, where bluestockings sit and twitter about its advantages and, um, applications!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I hope Mr. Weigle has discovered (through an examination of his conscience) the answer to his question,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Who would have imagined, fifty years ago, that a passion for the democratic transformation of the world would find its primary American political home in (at least some) conservative circles?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes, who but the John Flynns and Murray Rothbards of the world, warning as they did against the lapdogs and court pundits of State-Corporate alliance, of what Mussolini labeled fascism, who already were appearing in Freedom&#039;s Land, thwarting the very idea of democracy while pretending always to promote it.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I used to read FT with keen interest, until I finally sickened of the pro-War monomania, seeing it as having nothing to do with true Catholicism, but everything to do with intellectual mendacity, which everywhere and in every age war-making empires find so useful.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;JRN and Weigel would benefit by spending fifteen minutes surveying  photos of Iraqi war dead and wounded, both ours and theirs.  Then they should ask themselves what the true nature is of the program they support, who its true spiritual father is, in such contravention of the clear teachings of Christ.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But they are too lost in pride to engage in such a process of metanoia.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;But if ideas really do have consequences, the impact is likely to be significant.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Indeed.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> (from a letter I wrote a year ago to First Things, in which I quote from a post by Casey Khan on LRC, calling the FT bunch &quot;Court Theologians&quot;)</p>
<p>
[Khan] &quot;In response to Bush&#39;s commencement address given at St. Vincent&#39;s College, a Benedictine institution outside Pittsburg, faculty, students, and families have rightly protested the president&#39;s presence on campus: </p>
<p>&quot;In an open letter, St. Vincent faculty said the war in Iraq is not a just war, as defined by Catholic doctrine. The letter accused the president of launching a &#39;preemptive, unprovoked war&#39; and stifling debate at home through &#39;fear-mongering and threats.&#39;&quot;</p>
<p>It will be interesting to hear how the court theologians respond to this incident. </p>
<p>St. Vincent pray for us.&quot; </p>
<p>[end Casey Khan quote]</p>
<p>That last hyperlink (&quot;court theologians&quot;) was to George Weigel&#39;s First Things article &#39;Iraq: Then &amp; Now,&#39; which opens with the deathless sentence &quot;Even as history continues to unfold&#8211;and explode&#8211;in ancient Mesopotamia&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>&#39;Court theologians&#39; pretty much sums it up.  How JRN, Weigel and the rest of you can pretend that the war on Iraq is anything but an imperialist grab at oil is nothing short of amazing.  And the joke of it is, the forces of Mammon for whom you provide such prolix apologia care not one whit for your tergiversation: they would have quite happily, without qualm, ordered the slaughter without your cheerleading.</p>
<p>But you look awfully nice in those skirts.</p>
<p>How can Weigel have penned these words without being conscious of Orwell&#39;s admonition in &#39;Politics &amp; the English language&#39; about words being used to mask lies?  </p>
<p>Weigel:</p>
<p>&quot;In other words, the just war tradition is, first and foremost, a tradition of prudential political reasoning about good political ends, informed by the natural moral law; the natural law dimension of just war reasoning also creates the possibility of a public moral grammar for the public deliberation of public goods. The just war tradition begins not with casuistry about this or that particular military or nonmilitary option, and not with a set of hurdles that moral theorists set before statesmen, but with the legitimate sovereign’s moral obligation to defend and promote right order.&quot;</p>
<p>Ha!  And the result of this casuistry?  That the Iraq invasion is just!  </p>
<p>Orwell brilliantly lampoons this style by &quot;translating&quot; scripture,</p>
<p> &quot; Ecclesiastes 9:11 ,</p>
<p>“ I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all. ” </p>
<p>
into &quot;modern English of the worst sort,&quot;</p>
<p>“ Objective considerations of contemporary phenomena compel the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account.</p>
<p>Elsewhere in the essay, Orwell examined what he believed to be a close association between bad prose and inhumane ideology:</p>
<p>“ Consider for instance some comfortable English professor defending Russian totalitarianism. He cannot say outright, &quot;I believe in killing off your opponents when you can get good results by doing so.&quot; Probably, therefore, he will say something like this: <br />
While freely conceding that the Soviet regime exhibits certain features which the humanitarian may be inclined to deplore, we must, I think, agree that a certain curtailment of the right to political opposition is an unavoidable concomitant of transitional periods, and that the rigours which the Russian people have been called upon to undergo have been amply justified in the sphere of concrete achievement.&quot; </p>
<p>
Orwell comments that:</p>
<p>“ The inflated style itself is a kind of euphemism. A mass of Latin words falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outline and covering up all the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one&#39;s real and one&#39;s declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink. In our age there is no such thing as &quot;keeping out of politics.&quot; All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia. When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer. I should expect to find—this is a guess which I have not sufficient knowledge to verify—that the German, Russian and Italian languages have all deteriorated in the last ten or fifteen years, as a result of dictatorship. </p>
<p>
Replace &quot;Russian totalitarianism&quot; above with &quot;The Rape of Iraq&quot; and one sees the true prophetic nature of Sir George&#39;s writings.  Weigel and Neuhaus would do themselves favors to read and ponder Orwell&#39;s words.</p>
<p>My own favorite idiocy from the Weigel piece (there were so many) is this:  &quot;The Iraq War has also had a dramatic impact in the world of ideas.&quot;</p>
<p>It certainly has!  Torture has now returned as a defensible idea, embraced as a matter of utility by the noble defenders of Freedom&#39;s Land, and the security of the Homeland.  Torture reintroduces itself into the &quot;world of ideas,&quot; into the polite salons of the demimonde, where bluestockings sit and twitter about its advantages and, um, applications!</p>
<p>I hope Mr. Weigle has discovered (through an examination of his conscience) the answer to his question,</p>
<p>&quot;Who would have imagined, fifty years ago, that a passion for the democratic transformation of the world would find its primary American political home in (at least some) conservative circles?&quot;</p>
<p>Yes, who but the John Flynns and Murray Rothbards of the world, warning as they did against the lapdogs and court pundits of State-Corporate alliance, of what Mussolini labeled fascism, who already were appearing in Freedom&#39;s Land, thwarting the very idea of democracy while pretending always to promote it.  </p>
<p>I used to read FT with keen interest, until I finally sickened of the pro-War monomania, seeing it as having nothing to do with true Catholicism, but everything to do with intellectual mendacity, which everywhere and in every age war-making empires find so useful.  </p>
<p>JRN and Weigel would benefit by spending fifteen minutes surveying  photos of Iraqi war dead and wounded, both ours and theirs.  Then they should ask themselves what the true nature is of the program they support, who its true spiritual father is, in such contravention of the clear teachings of Christ.</p>
<p>But they are too lost in pride to engage in such a process of metanoia.</p>
<p>&quot;But if ideas really do have consequences, the impact is likely to be significant.&quot;</p>
<p>Indeed.</p>
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