Comments on: Dialogue With a Saudi-American Over Obama’s Fatherlessness http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:31:21 +0000 hourly 1 By: charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html/comment-page-1#comment-56100 charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/20/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html#comment-56100 <p>It does seem he is adding fuel to the fire--the upbeat take is that he needs to do this just to gain the seat of power. </p> It does seem he is adding fuel to the fire–the upbeat take is that he needs to do this just to gain the seat of power.

]]> By: the Sword of Gideon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html/comment-page-1#comment-56101 the Sword of Gideon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/20/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html#comment-56101 <p>You have to love the irony of Phil Weiss sucking up to the Saudi's. I'm wondering how that fits into the left wing "progressive" agenda. It's actually kind of like the Nazi-Soviet non aggression pact of 1939.<br /> Perhaps it's the wahabi life style that appeals to him. </p> You have to love the irony of Phil Weiss sucking up to the Saudi's. I'm wondering how that fits into the left wing "progressive" agenda. It's actually kind of like the Nazi-Soviet non aggression pact of 1939.
Perhaps it's the wahabi life style that appeals to him.

]]> By: morris http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html/comment-page-1#comment-56102 morris Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/20/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html#comment-56102 <p>Tony Blair was the great socialist hope, the new left.<br /> I would be surprised if anyone could remember anything socialist he offered.<br /> JFK was a bit of womaniser, he wanted to disband the CIA etc etc (if only).<br /> What are the elections for a religious leader?<br /> Phil if you are not amputated you can still change tack. Obama/Ross/AIPAC ain't gonna do nothing good for the Jews.</p> Tony Blair was the great socialist hope, the new left.
I would be surprised if anyone could remember anything socialist he offered.
JFK was a bit of womaniser, he wanted to disband the CIA etc etc (if only).
What are the elections for a religious leader?
Phil if you are not amputated you can still change tack. Obama/Ross/AIPAC ain't gonna do nothing good for the Jews.

]]> By: Lysander http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html/comment-page-1#comment-56103 Lysander Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/20/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html#comment-56103 <p>I'm afraid your Saudi friend has Obama pegged. The old "he's just saying it to get elected" argument holds no water. That is why He's voting for Nader and why I supported Ron Paul and will support Bob Barr, the Libertarian nominee. I know exactly what they believed. They made no effort to conceal it.</p> <p>And that is the problem with Obama. I have no Idea what he believes in his heart. I'm not sure even he does. Or if it even matters, since he will do as he is told.</p> <p>Weather a just settlement for Palestine ever comes about will not depend on confronting the Lobby here, it will depend on confronting Israel there. So long as Israel feels its neighbors are too weak to warrant concessions it will offer none. No coalition of American Jews, no matter how noble and well intentioned, can change that.</p> <p>Although I certainly admire the ardor with which they try.</p> <p>Thanx,<br /> P.S. I'd love to be proven wrong about Obama, but I wont be.</p> I'm afraid your Saudi friend has Obama pegged. The old "he's just saying it to get elected" argument holds no water. That is why He's voting for Nader and why I supported Ron Paul and will support Bob Barr, the Libertarian nominee. I know exactly what they believed. They made no effort to conceal it.

And that is the problem with Obama. I have no Idea what he believes in his heart. I'm not sure even he does. Or if it even matters, since he will do as he is told.

Weather a just settlement for Palestine ever comes about will not depend on confronting the Lobby here, it will depend on confronting Israel there. So long as Israel feels its neighbors are too weak to warrant concessions it will offer none. No coalition of American Jews, no matter how noble and well intentioned, can change that.

Although I certainly admire the ardor with which they try.

Thanx,
P.S. I'd love to be proven wrong about Obama, but I wont be.

]]> By: charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html/comment-page-1#comment-56104 charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/20/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html#comment-56104 <p>It's too bad for all of us that the MSM made a circus clown out of Ron Paul--how can you fault the masses when they were barred from seeing and hearing him so much, especially considering his intelligent and long-consistent take on foreign policy and monetary and fiscal policy, the two things most rotten in our ship of state, and gaining ground daily?</p> It's too bad for all of us that the MSM made a circus clown out of Ron Paul–how can you fault the masses when they were barred from seeing and hearing him so much, especially considering his intelligent and long-consistent take on foreign policy and monetary and fiscal policy, the two things most rotten in our ship of state, and gaining ground daily?

]]> By: charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html/comment-page-1#comment-56105 charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/20/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html#comment-56105 <p>The MSM should have been all over the place, discussing in print Ron Paul's ideas and how they apply to the nation's core problems. The MSM is a collective Goebbels would understand all too well. </p> The MSM should have been all over the place, discussing in print Ron Paul's ideas and how they apply to the nation's core problems. The MSM is a collective Goebbels would understand all too well.

]]> By: cogit8 http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html/comment-page-1#comment-56106 cogit8 Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/20/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html#comment-56106 <p>Obama's about-face and march to the right since winning the nomination over Clinton will doom his presidency if not his election chances first.</p> <p>He's thrown his anti-war supporters under the bus, advocating opening an eastern front in Afghanistan on the 'war on terror'. He's thrown the Palestinians under the bus in return for filthy lucre from the 'New York Money Jews'.</p> <p>Obama no longer shows signs of having any moral underpinning to his ideas; I can only wonder what Michel thinks; perhaps she is as ambitious and amoral as he is.</p> <p>From this vantage point it looks like Phil is supporting just another American bumbler who has learned nothing from the Iraq experience (America destroyed the country in order to save it), the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan, the French defeat in Algeria (after also trying to torture their way to victory), the American defeat in Vietnam, and the Israeli defeat in Lebanon (in spite of destroying half the place). </p> Obama's about-face and march to the right since winning the nomination over Clinton will doom his presidency if not his election chances first.

He's thrown his anti-war supporters under the bus, advocating opening an eastern front in Afghanistan on the 'war on terror'. He's thrown the Palestinians under the bus in return for filthy lucre from the 'New York Money Jews'.

Obama no longer shows signs of having any moral underpinning to his ideas; I can only wonder what Michel thinks; perhaps she is as ambitious and amoral as he is.

From this vantage point it looks like Phil is supporting just another American bumbler who has learned nothing from the Iraq experience (America destroyed the country in order to save it), the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan, the French defeat in Algeria (after also trying to torture their way to victory), the American defeat in Vietnam, and the Israeli defeat in Lebanon (in spite of destroying half the place).

]]> By: charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html/comment-page-1#comment-56107 charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/20/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html#comment-56107 <p>So what does anyone make of the recent poll that showed 42% of Americans would support Israel if it attacked Iran? A few more percent would not--but, g-d, that's really frightening. If these Americans polled (one thousand of them) actually know anything about the history of Israel and Iran, I'd really be surprised. Naturally, the poll does not cover that (just like our MSM).</p> So what does anyone make of the recent poll that showed 42% of Americans would support Israel if it attacked Iran? A few more percent would not–but, g-d, that's really frightening. If these Americans polled (one thousand of them) actually know anything about the history of Israel and Iran, I'd really be surprised. Naturally, the poll does not cover that (just like our MSM).

]]> By: charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html/comment-page-1#comment-56108 charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/20/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html#comment-56108 <p>Why was no analysis for mass consumption ever done of why so many of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia? This is not a fact that sticks to most Americans I meet. It's not in America's long term interest to be in bed with the House of Saud. Of course, that doesn't matter to the ruling class--we shouldn't be in bed with Israel or Saudi Arabia--but no future prez will pry us apart from either. </p> Why was no analysis for mass consumption ever done of why so many of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia? This is not a fact that sticks to most Americans I meet. It's not in America's long term interest to be in bed with the House of Saud. Of course, that doesn't matter to the ruling class–we shouldn't be in bed with Israel or Saudi Arabia–but no future prez will pry us apart from either.

]]> By: Sam http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html/comment-page-1#comment-56109 Sam Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/20/dialogue-with-a-saudi-american-over-obamas-fatherlessness.html#comment-56109 <p>This guy wants to lecture the United States on some of its mistakes but avoids the technological feats of the USA and amazing contributions to humanity. How about slavery by Arabs and other atrocities committed by them in the past? You can't point your finger at USA without three fingers pointing back at you. </p> This guy wants to lecture the United States on some of its mistakes but avoids the technological feats of the USA and amazing contributions to humanity. How about slavery by Arabs and other atrocities committed by them in the past? You can't point your finger at USA without three fingers pointing back at you.

]]>