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	<title>Comments on: Iran/Israel Lobby Issue Is too &#8216;Sensitive&#8217; for Chris Matthews</title>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Americans should be talking about this stuff, instead of letting Israel drag us into its cycle of violence.”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I’ve been thinking lately that another reason the Jewish Zionist Neocons wanted American troops in the Persian Gulf long term is to get thousands of them killed in an Iranian strike (it supposedly has thousands of Shahab-3 missiles capable of taking out ships and US bases in the Gulf and in Iraq) which of course would force massive American retaliation and perhaps even invasion and occupation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Think about it from the Zionist perspective: when will a chance like this come along again? If Obama is elected, the troops will (hopefully) start coming home, and the odds of being able to use American forces to take out (yet another) of Israel’s enemies dwindle by the day.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I can easily picture a guy like Doug Feith doing inner jumps of joy upon hearing that Iranian missiles had taken out Balad Air Base, home to 20,000 US troops. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Americans should be talking about this stuff, instead of letting Israel drag us into its cycle of violence.”</p>
<p>I’ve been thinking lately that another reason the Jewish Zionist Neocons wanted American troops in the Persian Gulf long term is to get thousands of them killed in an Iranian strike (it supposedly has thousands of Shahab-3 missiles capable of taking out ships and US bases in the Gulf and in Iraq) which of course would force massive American retaliation and perhaps even invasion and occupation.</p>
<p>Think about it from the Zionist perspective: when will a chance like this come along again? If Obama is elected, the troops will (hopefully) start coming home, and the odds of being able to use American forces to take out (yet another) of Israel’s enemies dwindle by the day.</p>
<p>I can easily picture a guy like Doug Feith doing inner jumps of joy upon hearing that Iranian missiles had taken out Balad Air Base, home to 20,000 US troops. </p>
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		<title>By: jonathan ekman</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathan ekman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Our alliance with Israel has cost us&lt;br /&gt;
trillions of dollars, destroyed the lives of&lt;br /&gt;
thousands of soldiers, and earned us the&lt;br /&gt;
enmity of much of the Moslem world, but, of&lt;br /&gt;
course, no price could ever be too high for&lt;br /&gt;
such a precious friendship.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our alliance with Israel has cost us<br />
trillions of dollars, destroyed the lives of<br />
thousands of soldiers, and earned us the<br />
enmity of much of the Moslem world, but, of<br />
course, no price could ever be too high for<br />
such a precious friendship.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;How important is Zionism to you?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What Zionism? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How important is it that the Jewish people have a safe community in which to self-govern among those that feel that that comraderie is important?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;VERY.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How important is it that those ideological settlers get to continue to push Palestinians from their land without any vestige of due process?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;NONE AT ALL.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Which one of these are you talking about, concisely?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;How important is Zionism to you?&quot;</p>
<p>What Zionism? </p>
<p>How important is it that the Jewish people have a safe community in which to self-govern among those that feel that that comraderie is important?</p>
<p>VERY.</p>
<p>How important is it that those ideological settlers get to continue to push Palestinians from their land without any vestige of due process?</p>
<p>NONE AT ALL.</p>
<p>Which one of these are you talking about, concisely?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t call John Mearsheimer a &quot;realist&quot;, as represented by the common meaning of the word.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He is of the &quot;realist&quot; camp, along with Breszinski, who when he facilitated the trilateral commission was not exactly considered a realist.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t call John Mearsheimer a &quot;realist&quot;, as represented by the common meaning of the word.</p>
<p>He is of the &quot;realist&quot; camp, along with Breszinski, who when he facilitated the trilateral commission was not exactly considered a realist.</p>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;____________________________________________________________________&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;When will a journalist have the co-jones to ask a simple question: How important is Zionism to you? Gather a group of journalists and ask them that. Let us learn that there are also non-Zionists. Anti-Zionists.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Excellent idea.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just listening to you now on AntiWar Radio with Scott Horton.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Great discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
____________________________________________________________________&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>____________________________________________________________________</p>
<p>&quot;When will a journalist have the co-jones to ask a simple question: How important is Zionism to you? Gather a group of journalists and ask them that. Let us learn that there are also non-Zionists. Anti-Zionists.&quot;</p>
<p>Excellent idea.</p>
<p>Just listening to you now on AntiWar Radio with Scott Horton.</p>
<p>Great discussion.<br />
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		<title>By: Shii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I don&#039;t know if that is true, politically, Chris, you absolute genius of politics, be intellectually honest?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Whut?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I don&#39;t know if that is true, politically, Chris, you absolute genius of politics, be intellectually honest?&quot;</p>
<p>Whut?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How important is it that the American people have a safe community in which to self-govern?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;VERY&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How important is it that those ideological settlers get to continue to push Palestinians from their land without any vestige of due process?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;VERY&lt;br /&gt;
IT MUST STOP or Goering was right; nothing learned.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How important is it that the American people have a safe community in which to self-govern?</p>
<p>VERY</p>
<p>How important is it that those ideological settlers get to continue to push Palestinians from their land without any vestige of due process?</p>
<p>VERY<br />
IT MUST STOP or Goering was right; nothing learned.</p>
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		<title>By: neocognitism</title>
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		<dc:creator>neocognitism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Witty, two problems though.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First, the subset of America whose interests are served by our current Imperial Military Interests in Iraq (Zionists, &quot;Elites,&quot; and the Very Wealthy) are the least represented in our armed forces.  This makes our military no different than Blackwater, a bunch of mercenaries.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Second, I support your war tax, as long as it is not only progressive like the current State/Federal income tax, but progressive like the up-to-90% 1960&#039;s scale, where most of the burden goes on the wealthy.  Why?  Because if their kids aren&#039;t fighting, money is the only other thing they care about in the world.  Plus, the Iraq war serves their interests, not ours.  They should pay for it instead of getting forced seizures of all the poor people who are already donating their progeny.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witty, two problems though.</p>
<p>First, the subset of America whose interests are served by our current Imperial Military Interests in Iraq (Zionists, &quot;Elites,&quot; and the Very Wealthy) are the least represented in our armed forces.  This makes our military no different than Blackwater, a bunch of mercenaries.</p>
<p>Second, I support your war tax, as long as it is not only progressive like the current State/Federal income tax, but progressive like the up-to-90% 1960&#39;s scale, where most of the burden goes on the wealthy.  Why?  Because if their kids aren&#39;t fighting, money is the only other thing they care about in the world.  Plus, the Iraq war serves their interests, not ours.  They should pay for it instead of getting forced seizures of all the poor people who are already donating their progeny.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The USA has its own &quot;Hessians.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
How times change, yet remain the same.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The USA has its own &quot;Hessians.&quot;<br />
How times change, yet remain the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad A. Greenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad A. Greenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree, Phil, that many American Jews are too reactionary and knee-jerk whenever criticism of Israel is sounded. But this is not a phenomenon unique to Jews and, as Mathews said, Christians are really sensitive about criticism of Israel too. Just look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jewishjournal.com/thegodblog/item/in_defense_of_john_hagee_20080529/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Hagee&lt;/a&gt;. Or, for a less politically mired subject, how about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jewishjournal.com/thegodblog/item/jumping_for_jesus_in_a_house_filled_with_jews_20080529/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Karen Lyons, a woman I met&lt;/a&gt; at an Israel at 60 celebration in LA.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;    &lt;i&gt;Karen Lyons kept smacking my leg and acting as if she was going to jump out of her seat. She’s a church-going Christian from Pacific Palisades, married to a&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;    temple-attending Jew, and she’s prone to such reactions when asked why she loves Israel and what she thinks of those who criticize its actions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;    “It makes me physically ill, because that is not the Word of God. God have mercy on their souls because they are ignorant,” she said. “He says pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem! That is where he is coming back!”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Phil, that many American Jews are too reactionary and knee-jerk whenever criticism of Israel is sounded. But this is not a phenomenon unique to Jews and, as Mathews said, Christians are really sensitive about criticism of Israel too. Just look at <a href="http://www.jewishjournal.com/thegodblog/item/in_defense_of_john_hagee_20080529/" rel="nofollow">John Hagee</a>. Or, for a less politically mired subject, how about <a href="http://www.jewishjournal.com/thegodblog/item/jumping_for_jesus_in_a_house_filled_with_jews_20080529/" rel="nofollow">Karen Lyons, a woman I met</a> at an Israel at 60 celebration in LA.</p>
<p>    <i>Karen Lyons kept smacking my leg and acting as if she was going to jump out of her seat. She’s a church-going Christian from Pacific Palisades, married to a</i></p>
<p>    temple-attending Jew, and she’s prone to such reactions when asked why she loves Israel and what she thinks of those who criticize its actions.</p>
<p>    “It makes me physically ill, because that is not the Word of God. God have mercy on their souls because they are ignorant,” she said. “He says pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem! That is where he is coming back!”</p>
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