Comments on: J Street: ‘We’re Not Anti-AIPAC’ http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 03:33:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: americangoy http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html/comment-page-1#comment-57031 americangoy Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/02/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html#comment-57031 <p>You are not anti-AIPAC, but are pro Israel.</p> <p>Dual loyalty and all that.</p> <p>Sooooooo...</p> <p>American has gained another pro Israel Lobby.</p> <p>So now Jews who support Israel first, and America second, have a choice: support the right wing AIPAC, or the left wing, less crazy, more lovable, huggable J-Street.</p> <p>Which both organizations, incidentally, work for the same goal - promotion of ISRAEL'S interests, and America be damned.</p> <p>Hooray!</p> <p>PS<br /> By the way, if you ever dare to raise an issue of dual loyalty, you are an anti semite... or at least a self hating Jew.</p> You are not anti-AIPAC, but are pro Israel.

Dual loyalty and all that.

Sooooooo…

American has gained another pro Israel Lobby.

So now Jews who support Israel first, and America second, have a choice: support the right wing AIPAC, or the left wing, less crazy, more lovable, huggable J-Street.

Which both organizations, incidentally, work for the same goal – promotion of ISRAEL'S interests, and America be damned.

Hooray!

PS
By the way, if you ever dare to raise an issue of dual loyalty, you are an anti semite… or at least a self hating Jew.

]]> By: paul malfara http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html/comment-page-1#comment-57032 paul malfara Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/02/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html#comment-57032 <p> "We are against the fact that the debate on Israel has been hijacked by the right-wing – that's right-wing Christian Zionists, right-wing neoconservatives, rightwingers who run major Jewish organizations, but it's not all AIPAC…."</p> <p>Wrong order bonehead!!! Ben-Ami Agenda: Let's see if we can deflect criticism away from Jews (Jewish neocons and Jewish organizations) and put it on those evil evangelicals!!!</p> <p>"The truth is so much more complex and it actually doesn't serve anybody's purpose to make this about AIPAC because it's about the policy"</p> <p>Ben-Ami Agenda: Let's play the "complexity" card, as it has worked so well in general when dealing with Americans' perception of Israel. "This issue is just so damn complex, you neophytes don't need to worry yourselves thinking about it; you'll never get your goyisher kops around it. In addition, let's not blame AIPAC, let's blame the 'policy.'" The fact that AIPAC drives the "policy" escapes his scrutiny, or at least what he is willing to say publicly.</p> <p>"it's about what's best for Israel, it's about what's best for the United States."</p> <p>Ben-Ami Agenda: Well, that's pretty plain to all here. Israel before America. Israeli interests trump American interests. What's best for Israel comes before what's best for America.</p> <p>I wouldn't be surprised if Ben-Ami is an AIPAC plant. AIPAC-lite. The shite stain can't be wiped off AIPAC - too many people know. Let's put our eggs in another, more friendly-looking basket.</p> <p>PM</p> "We are against the fact that the debate on Israel has been hijacked by the right-wing – that's right-wing Christian Zionists, right-wing neoconservatives, rightwingers who run major Jewish organizations, but it's not all AIPAC…."

Wrong order bonehead!!! Ben-Ami Agenda: Let's see if we can deflect criticism away from Jews (Jewish neocons and Jewish organizations) and put it on those evil evangelicals!!!

"The truth is so much more complex and it actually doesn't serve anybody's purpose to make this about AIPAC because it's about the policy"

Ben-Ami Agenda: Let's play the "complexity" card, as it has worked so well in general when dealing with Americans' perception of Israel. "This issue is just so damn complex, you neophytes don't need to worry yourselves thinking about it; you'll never get your goyisher kops around it. In addition, let's not blame AIPAC, let's blame the 'policy.'" The fact that AIPAC drives the "policy" escapes his scrutiny, or at least what he is willing to say publicly.

"it's about what's best for Israel, it's about what's best for the United States."

Ben-Ami Agenda: Well, that's pretty plain to all here. Israel before America. Israeli interests trump American interests. What's best for Israel comes before what's best for America.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ben-Ami is an AIPAC plant. AIPAC-lite. The shite stain can't be wiped off AIPAC – too many people know. Let's put our eggs in another, more friendly-looking basket.

PM

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html/comment-page-1#comment-57033 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/02/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html#comment-57033 <p>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/998413.html</p> <p> Jerusalem syndrome<br /> By Amos Harel and Avi Issacharoff<br /> Tags: east jerusalem, israel </p> <p>During the years prior to the Six-Day War, divided Jerusalem was rife with the phenomenon of the "mad Jordanian": A soldier from the Arab Legion suddenly and with no apparent reason began taking shots at civilians on the Israeli side of the borders.</p> <p>The Jordanians said that the man was crazy and in that way absolved themselves from any responsibility for his acts. Hussam Duwiyat, the terrorist who ran amok with a bulldozer in the middle of Jerusalem - and his neighbor, Ala Abu-Dahim, who murdered eight students at the Mercaz Harav yeshiva four months ago - appear to be a Palestinian incarnation of the same modus operandi.</p> <p>The Shin Bet security service agents who arrived at the home of the terrorist's family in Sur Baher in East Jerusalem, are now looking for clues as to the motive behind the deed. </p> <p>...</p> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/998413.html

Jerusalem syndrome
By Amos Harel and Avi Issacharoff
Tags: east jerusalem, israel

During the years prior to the Six-Day War, divided Jerusalem was rife with the phenomenon of the "mad Jordanian": A soldier from the Arab Legion suddenly and with no apparent reason began taking shots at civilians on the Israeli side of the borders.

The Jordanians said that the man was crazy and in that way absolved themselves from any responsibility for his acts. Hussam Duwiyat, the terrorist who ran amok with a bulldozer in the middle of Jerusalem – and his neighbor, Ala Abu-Dahim, who murdered eight students at the Mercaz Harav yeshiva four months ago – appear to be a Palestinian incarnation of the same modus operandi.

The Shin Bet security service agents who arrived at the home of the terrorist's family in Sur Baher in East Jerusalem, are now looking for clues as to the motive behind the deed.

…

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html/comment-page-1#comment-57034 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/02/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html#comment-57034 <p>J Street's got it right. You've got it wrong.</p> <p>It has its OWN positions, that are independant of AIPAC's, not by definition opposed, nor by definition supportive.</p> <p>Not AIPAC's. Not mine. Not YOUR's. Not the left's. Not Walt/Mearsheimer's. Not the left/right's.</p> <p>Have you been taking heat for your statements of ANY appreciation of J Street or even AIPAC?</p> <p>Does it effect your journalistic independance?</p> J Street's got it right. You've got it wrong.

It has its OWN positions, that are independant of AIPAC's, not by definition opposed, nor by definition supportive.

Not AIPAC's. Not mine. Not YOUR's. Not the left's. Not Walt/Mearsheimer's. Not the left/right's.

Have you been taking heat for your statements of ANY appreciation of J Street or even AIPAC?

Does it effect your journalistic independance?

]]> By: Richard Silverstein http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html/comment-page-1#comment-57035 Richard Silverstein Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/02/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html#comment-57035 <p>I don't think you have that right, Phil. J Street's goal is not to lobby Aipac. That seems a foolish organizational mission. And I wouldn't necessarily take what Jeremy Ben Ami says publicly as Gospel in terms of what J Street's true agenda is. Can J Street say publicly that it sees Aipac as its opponent? Of course not.</p> <p>But this is a battle for the political soul of American Jewry. We can't let Aipac win this. J Street is one vehicle, & hopefully an effective one, for moderating the Amer. Jewish voice regarding the I-P conflict.</p> I don't think you have that right, Phil. J Street's goal is not to lobby Aipac. That seems a foolish organizational mission. And I wouldn't necessarily take what Jeremy Ben Ami says publicly as Gospel in terms of what J Street's true agenda is. Can J Street say publicly that it sees Aipac as its opponent? Of course not.

But this is a battle for the political soul of American Jewry. We can't let Aipac win this. J Street is one vehicle, & hopefully an effective one, for moderating the Amer. Jewish voice regarding the I-P conflict.

]]> By: MRW. http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html/comment-page-1#comment-57036 MRW. Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/02/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html#comment-57036 <p>Richard Silverstein, I always seem to agree with your point-of-view.</p> Richard Silverstein, I always seem to agree with your point-of-view.

]]> By: 5 dancing shlomos http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html/comment-page-1#comment-57037 5 dancing shlomos Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/02/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html#comment-57037 <p>j street?</p> <p>aipac?</p> <p>this jew wants to sit at an outdoor cafe with a jerry seinfeld and enjoy arabic coffee and have an enlightened and humorous conversation without an arab any where nearby.</p> <p>that jew wants the wall to take more than all.</p> <p>this jew that jew the same. disagree on most effective way to deceive.</p> j street?

aipac?

this jew wants to sit at an outdoor cafe with a jerry seinfeld and enjoy arabic coffee and have an enlightened and humorous conversation without an arab any where nearby.

that jew wants the wall to take more than all.

this jew that jew the same. disagree on most effective way to deceive.

]]> By: 5 dancing shlomos http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html/comment-page-1#comment-57038 5 dancing shlomos Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/02/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html#comment-57038 <p>"moderating the Amer. Jewish voice regarding the I-P conflict."</p> <p>the jewish american(or traitors in camouflage) voice should be silenced. </p> <p>not "I-P conflict" but jewish assault/war on palestinians.</p> "moderating the Amer. Jewish voice regarding the I-P conflict."

the jewish american(or traitors in camouflage) voice should be silenced.

not "I-P conflict" but jewish assault/war on palestinians.

]]> By: 5 dancing shlomos http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html/comment-page-1#comment-57039 5 dancing shlomos Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/02/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html#comment-57039 <p>like i said: "this jew that jew the same."</p> like i said: "this jew that jew the same."

]]> By: Madrid http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html/comment-page-1#comment-57040 Madrid Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/02/j-street-were-not-anti-aipac.html#comment-57040 <p>They should both be registered as foreign lobbiests. Why is that so objectionable to Israeli supporters? Just play by the rules that every other country plays by.</p> <p>Why the f--ing exception for Israel?</p> They should both be registered as foreign lobbiests. Why is that so objectionable to Israeli supporters? Just play by the rules that every other country plays by.

Why the f–ing exception for Israel?

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