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		<title>By: Peter D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Chafee suggested that was the reason Wolfowitz was ushered out of the Pentagon and to the World Bank.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wow, so, Wolfowitz comes across as a realist next to those others? Were they also upset by his Arab girlfriend, maybe? &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;Chafee suggested that was the reason Wolfowitz was ushered out of the Pentagon and to the World Bank.&quot;</i> </p>
<p>Wow, so, Wolfowitz comes across as a realist next to those others? Were they also upset by his Arab girlfriend, maybe? </p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m looking forward to Sniegoski&#039;s book. He was one of the brave pioneers talking about the Israeli origins of the war way back when we still could have stopped it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s one of his early articles--&lt;br /&gt;
THE WAR ON IRAQ: CONCEIVED IN ISRAEL&lt;br /&gt;
February 10, 2003&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/conc_toc.htm&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All that we know today about the preoccupations of the neocons, and their tight interconnectedness, was known back then. The media could have told us had they wanted to.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m looking forward to Sniegoski&#39;s book. He was one of the brave pioneers talking about the Israeli origins of the war way back when we still could have stopped it.</p>
<p>Here&#39;s one of his early articles&#8211;<br />
THE WAR ON IRAQ: CONCEIVED IN ISRAEL<br />
February 10, 2003<br />
<a href="http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/conc_toc.htm/p">link to thornwalker.com</a></p>
<p>All that we know today about the preoccupations of the neocons, and their tight interconnectedness, was known back then. The media could have told us had they wanted to.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://members.aol.com/ThorsProvoni/JudoniaComplete/JudoniaCompleteA.htm#_Toc199522957&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iran Contra: The Marriage of Friedmanism and Neoconservatism&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;   The Iran Contra operation, which involved Neocons and Friedmanites in close collaboration, represented the marriage or total integration of aggressive Neocon ideas for transforming the Middle East with free market aggression against non-capitalist Latin American states.       By the end of the Reagan administration both the World Bank and also the IMF were transformed into aggressive mechanisms of Friedmanite intimidation and control not so much for the USA but for US corporate and banking interests that during the Reagan administration had become even more Jewish and Zionist thanks in good measure to Israeli governmental manipulation of the US economy with the new funding and investment orientation that resulted from the Camp David Accords.       No longer would Judonia (the Zionist Virtual Colonial Motherland) simply have one settler colony, but it would also develop new purely revenue generating virtual colonies through the acquisition of formerly state-owned corporations of developing countries whose markets were forced open to Western and in a steadily increasing number of cases to Judonian investment.       Paul Wolfowitz&#039; desire to lead the World Bank after architecting policy to disintegrate Iraq with the Second Iraq War makes perfect sense as a way for Judonia to maintain total control over one of the most important Arab counties.&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://members.aol.com/ThorsProvoni/JudoniaComplete/JudoniaCompleteA.htm#_Toc199522957" rel="nofollow">Iran Contra: The Marriage of Friedmanism and Neoconservatism</a></p>
<p>   The Iran Contra operation, which involved Neocons and Friedmanites in close collaboration, represented the marriage or total integration of aggressive Neocon ideas for transforming the Middle East with free market aggression against non-capitalist Latin American states.       By the end of the Reagan administration both the World Bank and also the IMF were transformed into aggressive mechanisms of Friedmanite intimidation and control not so much for the USA but for US corporate and banking interests that during the Reagan administration had become even more Jewish and Zionist thanks in good measure to Israeli governmental manipulation of the US economy with the new funding and investment orientation that resulted from the Camp David Accords.       No longer would Judonia (the Zionist Virtual Colonial Motherland) simply have one settler colony, but it would also develop new purely revenue generating virtual colonies through the acquisition of formerly state-owned corporations of developing countries whose markets were forced open to Western and in a steadily increasing number of cases to Judonian investment.       Paul Wolfowitz&#39; desire to lead the World Bank after architecting policy to disintegrate Iraq with the Second Iraq War makes perfect sense as a way for Judonia to maintain total control over one of the most important Arab counties.  </p>
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		<title>By: peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>peters</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;joachim,&lt;br /&gt;
what you say in your article about aid to israel defense industry and how it gets recycled is very interesting and i have heard it before.  i would like a more detailed explanation of what your thesis is about friedmanite economics. it is obvious to me that style of analysis has &quot;won&quot; ,  or is the most prevalent now.  i fail to be convinced that it is a jewish plot. free market economics is a philosophy.  one could say it has benefited a lot of jewish entrepreneurs , or rather,  they have taken advantage of the market conditions created by friedmanite economics.  but so have others. obviously there are a lot of jewish names among the billionaires and no doubt they have their own &#039;old boy&#039; network. isn&#039;t that  the way of the world?  sometimes i wonder about their ethics, but that isn&#039;t a jewish problem, witness the chinese.  i am open to more argument. so far, it seems like a stretch. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joachim,<br />
what you say in your article about aid to israel defense industry and how it gets recycled is very interesting and i have heard it before.  i would like a more detailed explanation of what your thesis is about friedmanite economics. it is obvious to me that style of analysis has &quot;won&quot; ,  or is the most prevalent now.  i fail to be convinced that it is a jewish plot. free market economics is a philosophy.  one could say it has benefited a lot of jewish entrepreneurs , or rather,  they have taken advantage of the market conditions created by friedmanite economics.  but so have others. obviously there are a lot of jewish names among the billionaires and no doubt they have their own &#39;old boy&#39; network. isn&#39;t that  the way of the world?  sometimes i wonder about their ethics, but that isn&#39;t a jewish problem, witness the chinese.  i am open to more argument. so far, it seems like a stretch. </p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Even though Friedman&#039;s early backers included many wealthy non-Jews in the banking industry, his economics belongs very much to the epistemic culture of Yiddish economics and Zionist politics.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I discuss the connections from &lt;a href=&quot;http://members.aol.com/ThorsProvoni/JudoniaComplete/JudoniaCompleteA.htm#_Toc199522947&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jabotinskians and the Partition Proposal&lt;/a&gt; through and including &lt;a href=&quot;http://members.aol.com/ThorsProvoni/JudoniaComplete/JudoniaCompleteA.htm#_Toc199522968&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Failure of Friedmanism and Bernanke’s Panic&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While I am concerned that ethnic Ashkenazim and other Eastern Europeans brought an Eastern European approach to economic activity to the USA and have for all intents and purposes overwhelmed the original more Western European-oriented practices, since the 1950s Zionist Jewish American Oligarchs (Members of Judonia) and the State of Israel have engaged in economic political activities that involve massive tax fraud, securities fraud and restraint of trade. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In 19th and early 20th century Germany and Austria similar charges were leveled against the (almost entirely Jewish) entrepreneurial class of Eastern European origin (but some Polish magnates of Catholic and Muslim origin did their bit for corrupt and criminal business dealing). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The record indicates that the accusations were mostly true. The situation has worsened now in the 21st century because this E. European business culture has persisted among ethnic Ashkenazim, and the ethnic Ashkenazi business networks use the State of Israel to put business dealings out of the reach of US investigators while the State of Israel as a sovereign power to get away with a lot that mere corporations or wealthy individuals could not.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In some cases, government investigators are unwilling to risk the accusation of anti-Semitism to check out possible serious tax code violations by the organized Jewish community and wealthy Jewish philantropists.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I include examples in my document &lt;i&gt;The Israel Lobby and American Society,&lt;/i&gt; and I would love to do the research to make the analysis really tight either to prove or to disprove my hypotheses. Unfortunately, because it is an expensive endeavor, I have put up a contribution button on my blog for this project, which if funded would probably take about a 1-1.5 years (I have the necessary background in forensic accounting and statistics). Otherwise, I will probably finish the project over 5-10 years in the context of some new projects that I am undertaking in the finance industry.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though Friedman&#39;s early backers included many wealthy non-Jews in the banking industry, his economics belongs very much to the epistemic culture of Yiddish economics and Zionist politics.</p>
<p>I discuss the connections from <a href="http://members.aol.com/ThorsProvoni/JudoniaComplete/JudoniaCompleteA.htm#_Toc199522947" rel="nofollow">Jabotinskians and the Partition Proposal</a> through and including <a href="http://members.aol.com/ThorsProvoni/JudoniaComplete/JudoniaCompleteA.htm#_Toc199522968" rel="nofollow">The Failure of Friedmanism and Bernanke’s Panic</a>.</p>
<p>While I am concerned that ethnic Ashkenazim and other Eastern Europeans brought an Eastern European approach to economic activity to the USA and have for all intents and purposes overwhelmed the original more Western European-oriented practices, since the 1950s Zionist Jewish American Oligarchs (Members of Judonia) and the State of Israel have engaged in economic political activities that involve massive tax fraud, securities fraud and restraint of trade. </p>
<p>In 19th and early 20th century Germany and Austria similar charges were leveled against the (almost entirely Jewish) entrepreneurial class of Eastern European origin (but some Polish magnates of Catholic and Muslim origin did their bit for corrupt and criminal business dealing). </p>
<p>The record indicates that the accusations were mostly true. The situation has worsened now in the 21st century because this E. European business culture has persisted among ethnic Ashkenazim, and the ethnic Ashkenazi business networks use the State of Israel to put business dealings out of the reach of US investigators while the State of Israel as a sovereign power to get away with a lot that mere corporations or wealthy individuals could not.</p>
<p>In some cases, government investigators are unwilling to risk the accusation of anti-Semitism to check out possible serious tax code violations by the organized Jewish community and wealthy Jewish philantropists.</p>
<p>I include examples in my document <i>The Israel Lobby and American Society,</i> and I would love to do the research to make the analysis really tight either to prove or to disprove my hypotheses. Unfortunately, because it is an expensive endeavor, I have put up a contribution button on my blog for this project, which if funded would probably take about a 1-1.5 years (I have the necessary background in forensic accounting and statistics). Otherwise, I will probably finish the project over 5-10 years in the context of some new projects that I am undertaking in the finance industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Condell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Condell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&#039;All that we know today about the preoccupations of the neocons, and their tight interconnectedness, was known back then.&#039; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I knew it all back then, armed with a dial-up DOS-box in sunny Sydney, and I&#039;d never heard of Sniegowski. Point being, there were millions of us who knew what was going on - I can remember at times in 2002 being stunned at how the seemingly distant scenarios I had read about in Orwell and histories of the thirties were happening to me, in my life! The idea was astonishing, that the sober talking heads I saw on the TV and the venerable columnists I read with growing incredulousness, were pouring war propaganda all over me, expecting me to lap it all up just like the internet-deprived citizens of the past. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Much of that huge march in mid Feb 03 was generated by a massively-shared feeling of &#039;how fucking dare you lie to us&#039; or perhaps more accurately, &#039;how fucking dare you KEEP lying to us after we&#039;ve told you what&#039;s going on&#039;. For the first time I felt real doubts about the depth and security of the democratic underpinnings of the freedom I took for granted. And I knew the threats came, in the main, from your country. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&#039;The media could have told us had they wanted to.&#039;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;No they couldn&#039;t. They were part of the story. The neocons interconnectedness didn&#039;t stop at government service; the Lobby&#039;s media component were every bit as important, maybe more so.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#39;All that we know today about the preoccupations of the neocons, and their tight interconnectedness, was known back then.&#39; </p>
<p>I knew it all back then, armed with a dial-up DOS-box in sunny Sydney, and I&#39;d never heard of Sniegowski. Point being, there were millions of us who knew what was going on &#8211; I can remember at times in 2002 being stunned at how the seemingly distant scenarios I had read about in Orwell and histories of the thirties were happening to me, in my life! The idea was astonishing, that the sober talking heads I saw on the TV and the venerable columnists I read with growing incredulousness, were pouring war propaganda all over me, expecting me to lap it all up just like the internet-deprived citizens of the past. </p>
<p>Much of that huge march in mid Feb 03 was generated by a massively-shared feeling of &#39;how fucking dare you lie to us&#39; or perhaps more accurately, &#39;how fucking dare you KEEP lying to us after we&#39;ve told you what&#39;s going on&#39;. For the first time I felt real doubts about the depth and security of the democratic underpinnings of the freedom I took for granted. And I knew the threats came, in the main, from your country. </p>
<p>&#39;The media could have told us had they wanted to.&#39;</p>
<p>No they couldn&#39;t. They were part of the story. The neocons interconnectedness didn&#39;t stop at government service; the Lobby&#39;s media component were every bit as important, maybe more so.  </p>
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		<title>By: NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL</title>
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		<dc:creator>NOMOREWAR_FORISRAEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;See Video: Neocons Pushed Us into War with Iraq and Now with Iran! &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbxD55LnlGg&amp;feature=PlayList&amp;p=71316451BEDD9F8F&amp;index=0&amp;playnext=1 &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here is a tiny URL for the above one: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://tinyurl.com/5johhg &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot.com/2008/07/neocons-pushed-us-into-war-with-iraq.html &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here is a tiny URL for the above one: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://tinyurl.com/5aspp5 &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See Video: Neocons Pushed Us into War with Iraq and Now with Iran! </p>
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbxD55LnlGg&#038;feature=PlayList&#038;p=71316451BEDD9F8F&#038;index=0&#038;playnext=1">link to youtube.com</a> </p>
<p>Here is a tiny URL for the above one: </p>
<p>http://tinyurl.com/5johhg </p>
<p>http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot.com/2008/07/neocons-pushed-us-into-war-with-iraq.html </p>
<p>Here is a tiny URL for the above one: </p>
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<p>http://tinyurl.com/5aspp5 </p>
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		<title>By: peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>peters</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;joachim,&lt;br /&gt;
i would like some quotes or something.  or at least what you think makes friedman&#039;s economics zionist/jewish. and not just jewish but pro-zion, destructive to the u.s.   i read your articles. &lt;br /&gt;
i&#039;m not a hostile questioner . i think you have done some amazing work. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joachim,<br />
i would like some quotes or something.  or at least what you think makes friedman&#39;s economics zionist/jewish. and not just jewish but pro-zion, destructive to the u.s.   i read your articles. <br />
i&#39;m not a hostile questioner . i think you have done some amazing work. </p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joachim, what exactly started your &quot;Judonia&quot; project? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And what would be your answer to the impression that at the core of your enterprise there seems to be a mirror image of Bush&#039;s good and evil approach to politics.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is it correct, that you basically assume that the Ashkenazi only reaped what they sowed? And your research is looking for evidence for that assumption?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One of your last notes sounded as if your meta desire was to rehabilitate Hitler.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joachim, what exactly started your &quot;Judonia&quot; project? </p>
<p>And what would be your answer to the impression that at the core of your enterprise there seems to be a mirror image of Bush&#39;s good and evil approach to politics.</p>
<p>Is it correct, that you basically assume that the Ashkenazi only reaped what they sowed? And your research is looking for evidence for that assumption?</p>
<p>One of your last notes sounded as if your meta desire was to rehabilitate Hitler.</p>
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		<title>By: nitwit</title>
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		<dc:creator>nitwit</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joachim, every time I follow some of your links, I am puzzled. What is the core of the anger that started this enterprise?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;e.g.:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Illuminating the dark side of Yiddish&lt;br /&gt;
http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2008/02/arun-gandhi-and-sholem-aleichem.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
What draws your attention here is a features, I would expect in any vernacular, or idiom, devoted to--as we call it in German--&quot;little people&quot;, the humbly born. ... &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To cite a passage you marked in bold and red:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;The Dark Side of Shalom Aleichem&#039;s Laughter&quot; is not a comic hero at all. Miron&#039;s fascinating analysis shows Tevye as a person who has destructive urges, for whom the character of the popular fool is just a masquerade.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What are your destructive urges?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joachim, every time I follow some of your links, I am puzzled. What is the core of the anger that started this enterprise?</p>
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<p>e.g.:</p>
<p>Illuminating the dark side of Yiddish<br />
<a href="http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2008/02/arun-gandhi-and-sholem-aleichem.html/p">link to eaazi.blogspot.com</a></p>
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What draws your attention here is a features, I would expect in any vernacular, or idiom, devoted to&#8211;as we call it in German&#8211;&quot;little people&quot;, the humbly born. &#8230; </p>
<p>To cite a passage you marked in bold and red:</p>
<p>&quot;The Dark Side of Shalom Aleichem&#39;s Laughter&quot; is not a comic hero at all. Miron&#39;s fascinating analysis shows Tevye as a person who has destructive urges, for whom the character of the popular fool is just a masquerade.&quot;</p>
<p>What are your destructive urges?</p>
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