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		<title>By: Off topic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Off topic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;Weiss. This might be of interest to you. &lt;br /&gt;
I can not seem to locate your e-mail, so please delete this after your viewing. &lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Weiss. This might be of interest to you. <br />
I can not seem to locate your e-mail, so please delete this after your viewing. </p>
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		<title>By: Crimson Ghost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crimson Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is no accident IMHO that the big increase in Jewish power and influence since President Reagan took office coincided with the &quot;financialization&quot; (as Kevin Philips describes it) of the US economy. The heavily Jewish financial industry vastly hiked its share of corporate profits and stock market wealth over this period.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But now this bastion of jewish wealth and power -- shown to be rife with fraud and deceit on a monumental scale -- is starting to implode. Over time this is bound to significantly reduce the ability of the Jewish establishment to dominate the US economic and political scene&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This bodes well for a more peaceful Middle East.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil:</p>
<p>It is no accident IMHO that the big increase in Jewish power and influence since President Reagan took office coincided with the &quot;financialization&quot; (as Kevin Philips describes it) of the US economy. The heavily Jewish financial industry vastly hiked its share of corporate profits and stock market wealth over this period.</p>
<p>But now this bastion of jewish wealth and power &#8212; shown to be rife with fraud and deceit on a monumental scale &#8212; is starting to implode. Over time this is bound to significantly reduce the ability of the Jewish establishment to dominate the US economic and political scene</p>
<p>This bodes well for a more peaceful Middle East.</p>
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		<title>By: samuel burke</title>
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		<dc:creator>samuel burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil, i repeatedly tell my jewish girlfriend that you are my favorite jewish american writer...you reek of yankee doodleism on the 4th of july and for this i applaud you.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;jews in america ought to have a chance to read more of you, my guess is that most younger jewish americans would side more with you than with what the shtetl mentality crowd would wish.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, i repeatedly tell my jewish girlfriend that you are my favorite jewish american writer&#8230;you reek of yankee doodleism on the 4th of july and for this i applaud you.</p>
<p>jews in america ought to have a chance to read more of you, my guess is that most younger jewish americans would side more with you than with what the shtetl mentality crowd would wish.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil,&lt;br /&gt;
I think that Slater was being kind to you in calling you intemperate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think a more accurate and more insightful statement than &quot;there is Jewish money in politics&quot; is that &quot;there is money in politics&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One is a racist statement, the other a political.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You know DAMN WELL that Jewish donors give across the gamut of political spectrum, but historically primarily center-left and nearly entirely independantly of positions on Israel.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Further, it is a GOOD THING to care, to care about the comprehensive state of American politics, to care about the comprehensive state of Israel&#039;s well-being.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Both goods.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can add another good to caring about the state of Palestinian well-being.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But, to the extent that you blame Jews in general or Jews for caring about Israel for America&#039;s decline, you are in the pasture.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m surprised that you, a professional journalist, would allow yourself to go ahead and hit the post button on screeds.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You definitely corner your professional options. You want to work for only for Pat Buchanon for the rest of your professional life, or only get published talking about male infedility?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why not be a more circumspect, and restrain your public raging?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You don&#039;t have to send every e-mail, every post that you draft. You can call it a draft, and think a bit before shooting.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,<br />
I think that Slater was being kind to you in calling you intemperate.</p>
<p>I think a more accurate and more insightful statement than &quot;there is Jewish money in politics&quot; is that &quot;there is money in politics&quot;.</p>
<p>One is a racist statement, the other a political.</p>
<p>You know DAMN WELL that Jewish donors give across the gamut of political spectrum, but historically primarily center-left and nearly entirely independantly of positions on Israel.</p>
<p>Further, it is a GOOD THING to care, to care about the comprehensive state of American politics, to care about the comprehensive state of Israel&#39;s well-being.</p>
<p>Both goods.</p>
<p>You can add another good to caring about the state of Palestinian well-being.</p>
<p>But, to the extent that you blame Jews in general or Jews for caring about Israel for America&#39;s decline, you are in the pasture.</p>
<p>I&#39;m surprised that you, a professional journalist, would allow yourself to go ahead and hit the post button on screeds.</p>
<p>You definitely corner your professional options. You want to work for only for Pat Buchanon for the rest of your professional life, or only get published talking about male infedility?</p>
<p>Why not be a more circumspect, and restrain your public raging?</p>
<p>You don&#39;t have to send every e-mail, every post that you draft. You can call it a draft, and think a bit before shooting.</p>
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		<title>By: peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;off topic,&lt;br /&gt;
could you say more of the dallas news article you sited about.  i am too lazy to buy it.  it seems to be saying that cheney is criticizing the government, as halliburton chief, for sanctioning countries of the mideast. that it is bad for business. and that until 1996(?) iran was a major client of big oil.  am i right? &lt;br /&gt;
if so,  this is pretty interesting. cheney underwent a huge shift. though my understanding is that he was on board with the clean break crowd very early. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>off topic,<br />
could you say more of the dallas news article you sited about.  i am too lazy to buy it.  it seems to be saying that cheney is criticizing the government, as halliburton chief, for sanctioning countries of the mideast. that it is bad for business. and that until 1996(?) iran was a major client of big oil.  am i right? <br />
if so,  this is pretty interesting. cheney underwent a huge shift. though my understanding is that he was on board with the clean break crowd very early. </p>
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		<title>By: peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;what is slater&#039;s motive?  phil is surely and obviously right. slater- more dust thrown in the eyes. is he jewish? or works for them? or an academic who has been programmed? WHAT IS THIS INSANITY?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;there is a psychological phenomenon called splitting. in a narcissistic disorder a person can know one thing, say, for example,  they are taking advantage of someone,  even perhaps admit it,  and then deny it categorically and passsionately with a great sense of being victimized by the accusation, of a deed a part of them knows they committed. they have split into parts. &lt;br /&gt;
i believe that these people truly are indignant at the accusation of dual loyalty, feel truly victimized by it.  they believe their elaborate rationalizations,  yet can go to aipac and say &#039;vote for israel first, screw america&#039;. and the two parts aren&#039;t aware of each other in some way. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;i would go insane without phil.  thank god for phil. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is slater&#39;s motive?  phil is surely and obviously right. slater- more dust thrown in the eyes. is he jewish? or works for them? or an academic who has been programmed? WHAT IS THIS INSANITY?</p>
<p>there is a psychological phenomenon called splitting. in a narcissistic disorder a person can know one thing, say, for example,  they are taking advantage of someone,  even perhaps admit it,  and then deny it categorically and passsionately with a great sense of being victimized by the accusation, of a deed a part of them knows they committed. they have split into parts. <br />
i believe that these people truly are indignant at the accusation of dual loyalty, feel truly victimized by it.  they believe their elaborate rationalizations,  yet can go to aipac and say &#39;vote for israel first, screw america&#39;. and the two parts aren&#39;t aware of each other in some way. </p>
<p>i would go insane without phil.  thank god for phil. </p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Witty: &quot;Jewish donors give across the gamut of political spectrum, but historically primarily center-left and nearly entirely independantly of positions on Israel.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is wrong, and Witty knows it, although it is difficult to prove. Few US Jewish Zionist donors will publicly come out and admit their disloyalty to America in the fashion of billionaire Haim Saban and say something like: “I&#039;m a one-issue guy and my issue is Israel.&quot; That would be far too honest. But nearly all of them think along the same lines (Israel first) and you know damn well they apply this litmus test before they donate to any politicians. And the politicians know this, too.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem with guys like Slater is that they are intellectually dishonest about issues like this, and they don’t like it when guys like Weiss aren’t, because it shows them up as intellectual cowards on the issue.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Israeli-Palestinian issue will never be solved until the elephant in the living room -- the predomination of wealthy US Jewish Zionist money being used to buy wars and Israel first policy in corrupt Washington, is addressed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Slater may courageously criticize unbalanced US media coverage on the I-P conflict, but that, too, goes to the predomination of US Jewish Zionist money in terms of US media ownership. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wealthy, insular Jewish American Zionists who get off on playing toy soldier with US troops and Arabs (and now Persians) are the last people in the world who should be directing US Mideast policy. But in effect, through their money, they are. Why does Slater have issues with Weiss pointing this out?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witty: &quot;Jewish donors give across the gamut of political spectrum, but historically primarily center-left and nearly entirely independantly of positions on Israel.&quot;</p>
<p>This is wrong, and Witty knows it, although it is difficult to prove. Few US Jewish Zionist donors will publicly come out and admit their disloyalty to America in the fashion of billionaire Haim Saban and say something like: “I&#39;m a one-issue guy and my issue is Israel.&quot; That would be far too honest. But nearly all of them think along the same lines (Israel first) and you know damn well they apply this litmus test before they donate to any politicians. And the politicians know this, too.</p>
<p>The problem with guys like Slater is that they are intellectually dishonest about issues like this, and they don’t like it when guys like Weiss aren’t, because it shows them up as intellectual cowards on the issue.</p>
<p>The Israeli-Palestinian issue will never be solved until the elephant in the living room &#8212; the predomination of wealthy US Jewish Zionist money being used to buy wars and Israel first policy in corrupt Washington, is addressed.</p>
<p>Slater may courageously criticize unbalanced US media coverage on the I-P conflict, but that, too, goes to the predomination of US Jewish Zionist money in terms of US media ownership. </p>
<p>Wealthy, insular Jewish American Zionists who get off on playing toy soldier with US troops and Arabs (and now Persians) are the last people in the world who should be directing US Mideast policy. But in effect, through their money, they are. Why does Slater have issues with Weiss pointing this out?</p>
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		<title>By: scorpio</title>
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		<dc:creator>scorpio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tom Friedman in today&#039;s NYT, trying to get Obama to focus on someone other than ex-military for his VP slot, says the economy is more important. well of course it is. that doesnt mean Obama should fall for this obvious set-up by Friedman. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Friedman in today&#39;s NYT, trying to get Obama to focus on someone other than ex-military for his VP slot, says the economy is more important. well of course it is. that doesnt mean Obama should fall for this obvious set-up by Friedman. </p>
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		<title>By: American</title>
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		<dc:creator>American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well of course every time Phil talks about jews and money he gets attacked.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;E.v.e.r.y.o.n.e knows about money in politics...it&#039;s our national cancer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But zionist who put huge amounts of money into politics for the sole purpose of trying to  control US foreign policy in the ME and more favortism for Israel should be talked about...and rooted out for that matter. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well of course every time Phil talks about jews and money he gets attacked.</p>
<p>E.v.e.r.y.o.n.e knows about money in politics&#8230;it&#39;s our national cancer.</p>
<p>But zionist who put huge amounts of money into politics for the sole purpose of trying to  control US foreign policy in the ME and more favortism for Israel should be talked about&#8230;and rooted out for that matter. </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Again, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Gates (prior Rumsfeld) are the individuals responsible for American foreign policy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They were either elected and/or their position  was approved by the US Congress.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you don&#039;t like the selection of staff, elect someone different. If you don&#039;t like the approval of official positions (very few Jewish), write to your Congresspeople, or elect different one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I doubt the assertion &quot;x is Jewish. They inevitably are dually loyal&quot; will carry much weight with a responsible Congressperson.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They recognize racism.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You&#039;d have to make more substantive arguments about a prospective official.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Gates (prior Rumsfeld) are the individuals responsible for American foreign policy.</p>
<p>They were either elected and/or their position  was approved by the US Congress.</p>
<p>If you don&#39;t like the selection of staff, elect someone different. If you don&#39;t like the approval of official positions (very few Jewish), write to your Congresspeople, or elect different one.</p>
<p>I doubt the assertion &quot;x is Jewish. They inevitably are dually loyal&quot; will carry much weight with a responsible Congressperson.</p>
<p>They recognize racism.</p>
<p>You&#39;d have to make more substantive arguments about a prospective official.</p>
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