Comments on: Howard Wolfson to Fox–Is the Lieberman Wing of Dem. Party Crossing the Aisle? http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 03:33:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html/comment-page-1#comment-56765 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/09/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html#comment-56765 <p>"The Holocaust obviously played an important role here, Jews felt tremendously insecure, even in America. "</p> <p>They also felt sympathy and hope.</p> <p>"But it must be understood that that $100 million of American Jewish money, raised by Meir, a former Milwaukee schoolteacher, went to buy arms that played an instrumental role in ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, in '48."</p> <p>And ALSO an instrumental role in defending Jewish residents of the region FROM ethnic cleansing.</p> <p>"How long before some of these pro-Israel types declare for McCain? "</p> <p>They have already. McCain looks a lot like my uncle (not the one that you know, Phil). Comfortable. My uncle will likely vote for McCain. My mother will be attempted to be swayed by my uncle, and depending on who she converses with the day of the election and how convivially will either vote for Obama out of spite for her brother, vote for McCain out of trust in her brother, vote for McCain in some reaction to me, or vote for Obama in sympathy with the same appeals that he (and Kennedy had) with me.</p> <p>I expect that a LOT of Southern Florida Jews will similarly.</p> <p><br /> As Nader said in 2004, if the democrats can't win an election in this economy and war, then they are in trouble as a party.</p> <p>By EVERY measure, the economy (and the republican approach) is an utter failure. Unemployment, median income stats, even the stock market (even with the enormous tax giveaways on dividends and capital gains).</p> "The Holocaust obviously played an important role here, Jews felt tremendously insecure, even in America. "

They also felt sympathy and hope.

"But it must be understood that that $100 million of American Jewish money, raised by Meir, a former Milwaukee schoolteacher, went to buy arms that played an instrumental role in ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, in '48."

And ALSO an instrumental role in defending Jewish residents of the region FROM ethnic cleansing.

"How long before some of these pro-Israel types declare for McCain? "

They have already. McCain looks a lot like my uncle (not the one that you know, Phil). Comfortable. My uncle will likely vote for McCain. My mother will be attempted to be swayed by my uncle, and depending on who she converses with the day of the election and how convivially will either vote for Obama out of spite for her brother, vote for McCain out of trust in her brother, vote for McCain in some reaction to me, or vote for Obama in sympathy with the same appeals that he (and Kennedy had) with me.

I expect that a LOT of Southern Florida Jews will similarly.

As Nader said in 2004, if the democrats can't win an election in this economy and war, then they are in trouble as a party.

By EVERY measure, the economy (and the republican approach) is an utter failure. Unemployment, median income stats, even the stock market (even with the enormous tax giveaways on dividends and capital gains).

]]> By: sword of gideon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html/comment-page-1#comment-56766 sword of gideon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/09/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html#comment-56766 <p>Well, some people didn't want to see another 600,000 Jews knocked off. Some people, like Phil Weiss and his loyal fan base would have seen that has a desireable outcome. But here is the thing, even when you factor in the fact that the Arabs through pure dumb luck are sitting on most of the worlds oil reserves. And even when you subtract what they blow on casinos and blond hookers. And new developments for their society like tolet paper. They have never lacked for money, then and now. </p> Well, some people didn't want to see another 600,000 Jews knocked off. Some people, like Phil Weiss and his loyal fan base would have seen that has a desireable outcome. But here is the thing, even when you factor in the fact that the Arabs through pure dumb luck are sitting on most of the worlds oil reserves. And even when you subtract what they blow on casinos and blond hookers. And new developments for their society like tolet paper. They have never lacked for money, then and now.

]]> By: LeaNder http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html/comment-page-1#comment-56767 LeaNder Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/09/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html#comment-56767 <p>Pure disgusting SOG/Pearlman.</p> Pure disgusting SOG/Pearlman.

]]> By: Philip Weiss http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html/comment-page-1#comment-56768 Philip Weiss Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/09/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html#comment-56768 <p>LeaNder: the truth hurts.</p> LeaNder: the truth hurts.

]]> By: Laurie http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html/comment-page-1#comment-56769 Laurie Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/09/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html#comment-56769 <p>"it underlines the fact that Jews are now principals in the American establishment--something I celebrate" - Philip Weiss</p> <p>The rest of your article begs the question "What is there to celebrate?"</p> "it underlines the fact that Jews are now principals in the American establishment–something I celebrate" – Philip Weiss

The rest of your article begs the question "What is there to celebrate?"

]]> By: Charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html/comment-page-1#comment-56770 Charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/09/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html#comment-56770 <p>Parade July 4th question to Obama & McCain: What is Patriotism?</p> <p>Obama [Sacrifice For The Common Good]: "--the essential American ideal--that are destinies are not written before we are born... Not just a love of America in the abstract, but a very particular love for and faith in, one another as Americans...we see ourselves as part of a larger story, our own fates wrapped up<br /> in the fates of all who share allegiance to America's singular creed."</p> <p>McCain [A Cause Greater Than Self-Interest]: "To love one's country is to love one's countrymen...(including) the countrymen we will never know, who will be born after we are gone."</p> Parade July 4th question to Obama & McCain: What is Patriotism?

Obama [Sacrifice For The Common Good]: "–the essential American ideal–that are destinies are not written before we are born… Not just a love of America in the abstract, but a very particular love for and faith in, one another as Americans…we see ourselves as part of a larger story, our own fates wrapped up
in the fates of all who share allegiance to America's singular creed."

McCain [A Cause Greater Than Self-Interest]: "To love one's country is to love one's countrymen…(including) the countrymen we will never know, who will be born after we are gone."

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html/comment-page-1#comment-56771 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/09/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html#comment-56771 <p>If enormous quantities of oil hadn't been discovered in the Gulf, the politics of the world would be VERY different now.</p> <p>The Arab states would likely not figure prominently in America's math of what is in its interest.</p> If enormous quantities of oil hadn't been discovered in the Gulf, the politics of the world would be VERY different now.

The Arab states would likely not figure prominently in America's math of what is in its interest.

]]> By: jonathan ekman http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html/comment-page-1#comment-56772 jonathan ekman Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/09/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html#comment-56772 <p>I suspect that very few of the goyim would<br /> be bothered by the egregious over-representation of Jews in positions of wealth, power and influence if the goal of<br /> their activism were the improvement of the<br /> country and the planet, rather than the <br /> well-being of their tribe.</p> I suspect that very few of the goyim would
be bothered by the egregious over-representation of Jews in positions of wealth, power and influence if the goal of
their activism were the improvement of the
country and the planet, rather than the
well-being of their tribe.

]]> By: D. http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html/comment-page-1#comment-56773 D. Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/09/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html#comment-56773 <p>"a very particular love for and faith in one another as Americans ... part of a larger story, our own fates wrapped up in the fates of all."</p> <p>This sentiment is so central to western culture, that it's easy to forget that these are actually fightin' words to tribal separatists like our Bill Perlman and Richard Witty.</p> <p>The idea that "our destinies are not written before we are born" invalidates the notion of choseness.</p> "a very particular love for and faith in one another as Americans … part of a larger story, our own fates wrapped up in the fates of all."

This sentiment is so central to western culture, that it's easy to forget that these are actually fightin' words to tribal separatists like our Bill Perlman and Richard Witty.

The idea that "our destinies are not written before we are born" invalidates the notion of choseness.

]]> By: Laurie http://mondoweiss.net/2008/07/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html/comment-page-1#comment-56774 Laurie Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/07/09/there-continues-to-be-strain-between-hillary-and-obamas-camps-especially-over-fundaising-the-times-says-that-the-hillary-f.html#comment-56774 <p>I suspect if oil was never discovered in the Gulf, Israel would not exist in Palestine. Walter Rothschild understood the potential value of oil because of the Rothschild Baku experience and so supported a Jewish homeland in the Palestine. The sentimental connection is for the benefit of the common folk.</p> I suspect if oil was never discovered in the Gulf, Israel would not exist in Palestine. Walter Rothschild understood the potential value of oil because of the Rothschild Baku experience and so supported a Jewish homeland in the Palestine. The sentimental connection is for the benefit of the common folk.

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