Comments on: Here’s Hoping There’s Not a Georgia Lobby in Washington…. http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 03:52:48 +0000 hourly 1 By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-54739 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/11/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html#comment-54739 <p>Are you informed first, opining second?</p> <p>Why do you adopt the "Israel supports, we therefore reject" kneejerk?</p> <p>I don't know whats really going on there, do you?</p> <p>Do you not consider Russia imperial? Chechnya, Afghanistan, Serbia?</p> <p>Picking which imperial side to stand with, seems a bit odd politics to me.</p> Are you informed first, opining second?

Why do you adopt the "Israel supports, we therefore reject" kneejerk?

I don't know whats really going on there, do you?

Do you not consider Russia imperial? Chechnya, Afghanistan, Serbia?

Picking which imperial side to stand with, seems a bit odd politics to me.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-54740 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/11/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html#comment-54740 <p>You do know that Georgia is a sovereign state, internationally recognized, now OCCUPIED.</p> You do know that Georgia is a sovereign state, internationally recognized, now OCCUPIED.

]]> By: charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-54741 charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/11/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html#comment-54741 <p>War in Georgia: The Israeli connection:<br /> "For past seven years, Israeli companies have been helping Gerogian army to preparer for war against Russia through arms deals, training of infantry units and security advice." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3580136,00.html</p> War in Georgia: The Israeli connection:
"For past seven years, Israeli companies have been helping Gerogian army to preparer for war against Russia through arms deals, training of infantry units and security advice." link to ynetnews.com

]]> By: roGER http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-54742 roGER Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/11/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html#comment-54742 <p>"Debkafile, a site with Israeli intelligence sources"</p> <p>NO NO NO. </p> <p>It's written by sad wannabes and is almost always 100% wrong.</p> "Debkafile, a site with Israeli intelligence sources"

NO NO NO.

It's written by sad wannabes and is almost always 100% wrong.

]]> By: charles Keating http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-54743 charles Keating Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/11/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html#comment-54743 <p>Israel is not considered to be one of the main arms suppliers of Georgia. The scope of the defense deals between the two countries stands at $200 million. The two largest suppliers to Georgia are the United States and France. However, the security ties between the two countries have received a great deal of media attention, in part because of the capture, on film, of a Russian jet downing an Israeli-made drone in Georgian service, and the role that senior retired Israeli officers have played as advisers to the Georgian security forces. <br /> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009946.html</p> <p>'Oil, Israel and Iran' Among Factors that Led to Georgia War,<br /> by Gl Ronen: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127135</p> Israel is not considered to be one of the main arms suppliers of Georgia. The scope of the defense deals between the two countries stands at $200 million. The two largest suppliers to Georgia are the United States and France. However, the security ties between the two countries have received a great deal of media attention, in part because of the capture, on film, of a Russian jet downing an Israeli-made drone in Georgian service, and the role that senior retired Israeli officers have played as advisers to the Georgian security forces.
link to haaretz.com

'Oil, Israel and Iran' Among Factors that Led to Georgia War,
by Gl Ronen: link to israelnationalnews.com

]]> By: Jaffr http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-54744 Jaffr Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/11/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html#comment-54744 <p>Of course there IS a Georgia lobby -- and it is the the Israel Lobby!</p> <p>Don't underestimate the involvement of Israel. Their press estimates $300-500 million in arms sales AND the involvement of Israeli military advisors in the Georgian army. The defense minister of Georgia is an Israeli!<br /> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3580136,00.html</p> <p>The neocons are all over the media (NYTimes, WPost and NPR) rattling the sabers for confrontation with Russia -- which is regarded as a hindrance to their plans in the Middle East and for war with Iran. These are the same folks who had no problem with the armed dismemberment of Yugoslavia, a sovereign state of 70 years in the heart of Europe. By contrast, Georgia's borders were inherited from the former USSR and were never accepted by the Abkhazian or South Ossetian regional populations.</p> <p>And McCain's chief foreign policy adviser, Randay Scheunemann, is a paid lobyist for Georgia; Sakashvili (no democrat!) has a clearly ghost-written column in today's Wall Street Journal.</p> <p>It doesn't take a genius to put the pieces together.</p> Of course there IS a Georgia lobby — and it is the the Israel Lobby!

Don't underestimate the involvement of Israel. Their press estimates $300-500 million in arms sales AND the involvement of Israeli military advisors in the Georgian army. The defense minister of Georgia is an Israeli!
link to ynetnews.com

The neocons are all over the media (NYTimes, WPost and NPR) rattling the sabers for confrontation with Russia — which is regarded as a hindrance to their plans in the Middle East and for war with Iran. These are the same folks who had no problem with the armed dismemberment of Yugoslavia, a sovereign state of 70 years in the heart of Europe. By contrast, Georgia's borders were inherited from the former USSR and were never accepted by the Abkhazian or South Ossetian regional populations.

And McCain's chief foreign policy adviser, Randay Scheunemann, is a paid lobyist for Georgia; Sakashvili (no democrat!) has a clearly ghost-written column in today's Wall Street Journal.

It doesn't take a genius to put the pieces together.

]]> By: MRW. http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-54745 MRW. Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/11/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html#comment-54745 <p>Read this:<br /> "GEORGIA GETS ITS WAR ON…MCCAIN GETS HIS BRAIN PLAQUE…"<br /> http://exiledonline.com/georgia-gets-its-war-onmccain-gets-his-brain-plaque/#more-269</p> Read this:
"GEORGIA GETS ITS WAR ON…MCCAIN GETS HIS BRAIN PLAQUE…"
link to exiledonline.com

]]> By: Andrey Khikhlovskiy http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-54746 Andrey Khikhlovskiy Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/11/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html#comment-54746 <p>I agree with Charles Keating - there should be no illusions on who is Saakashvili. Another puppet, paid and controlled by intelligence services.<br /> To Richard Witty: "empire"? OK, we are empire and we are responsible for our citizens (we should, shouldn't we?) 98% of Ossetians accepted Russian citizenship, from them 2 thousand were killed in Tskhinvali and the town is completely destroyed! How the empire should react, I beg you?<br /> </p> I agree with Charles Keating – there should be no illusions on who is Saakashvili. Another puppet, paid and controlled by intelligence services.
To Richard Witty: "empire"? OK, we are empire and we are responsible for our citizens (we should, shouldn't we?) 98% of Ossetians accepted Russian citizenship, from them 2 thousand were killed in Tskhinvali and the town is completely destroyed! How the empire should react, I beg you?

]]> By: Abe http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-54747 Abe Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/11/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html#comment-54747 <p>Israel sold arms to Georgia in the regular course of international commerce, but reduced both the number and sophistication of the arms sold months ago, when an increase in Georgian demand set off alarm bells in the Israeli government. Just today, Israel has decided to freeze the sale of arms to Georgia, but will provide medical and humanitarian aid, if it is requested. Moreover, sales by Israel were overwhelmed by both German and American sales. </p> <p>Of course, there are some people who have the audacity to blame Israel for this, but the only apt comparison here is in the reaction of the UN. 2000 civilians are already dead in Tskhinvalli - where is the international outcry? How has the UN, which wastes no time in condemning Israel every time one of its soldiers so much as waves an arm, not spoken up? The answer is simple: the Jews are not involved, so nobody cares who kills whom.</p> Israel sold arms to Georgia in the regular course of international commerce, but reduced both the number and sophistication of the arms sold months ago, when an increase in Georgian demand set off alarm bells in the Israeli government. Just today, Israel has decided to freeze the sale of arms to Georgia, but will provide medical and humanitarian aid, if it is requested. Moreover, sales by Israel were overwhelmed by both German and American sales.

Of course, there are some people who have the audacity to blame Israel for this, but the only apt comparison here is in the reaction of the UN. 2000 civilians are already dead in Tskhinvalli – where is the international outcry? How has the UN, which wastes no time in condemning Israel every time one of its soldiers so much as waves an arm, not spoken up? The answer is simple: the Jews are not involved, so nobody cares who kills whom.

]]> By: morris http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html/comment-page-1#comment-54748 morris Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/11/i-just-saw-george-bush-on-the-olympics-deploring-the-violence-in-georgia-and-russia-saying-that-he-told-putin-things-must-re.html#comment-54748 <p>Georgia is the biggest foreign policy blunder ever for Israel, apart from Lebanon 2006. <br /> And it is the same people in charge as in 2006!<br /> </p> Georgia is the biggest foreign policy blunder ever for Israel, apart from Lebanon 2006.
And it is the same people in charge as in 2006!

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