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	<title>Comments on: Is Bruce Ivins the American Version of David Kelly?</title>
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		<title>By: scorpio</title>
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		<dc:creator>scorpio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;he doesnt have to be a hero like Kelly to have been innocent of the FBI&#039;s charges. from what i&#039;ve read (their offer of a sports car to his son to implicate his father, etc) they seem to have found a weak character to implicate and hound for years until he cracked, killed himself, now they can say &quot;fait accompli&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he doesnt have to be a hero like Kelly to have been innocent of the FBI&#39;s charges. from what i&#39;ve read (their offer of a sports car to his son to implicate his father, etc) they seem to have found a weak character to implicate and hound for years until he cracked, killed himself, now they can say &quot;fait accompli&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think Ivins wrote those terrorists notes or letters--how likely is it that a character like Ivins, with his professional creds, would misspell the word &quot;penicillin?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think he&#039;d spell it correctly, even if he was faking the source of the biochemical attacks. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I bet Feith knows the real skinny. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think Ivins wrote those terrorists notes or letters&#8211;how likely is it that a character like Ivins, with his professional creds, would misspell the word &quot;penicillin?&quot;</p>
<p>I think he&#39;d spell it correctly, even if he was faking the source of the biochemical attacks. </p>
<p>I bet Feith knows the real skinny. </p>
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		<title>By: charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The strain of anthrax was available to others besides him--and over a four year period. I think scorpio has the case by the balls.&lt;br /&gt;
He was either an unwitting accomplice, or a knowing one, but he did not act alone--and likely did not write the childish alleged terrorist notes, especially the one misspelling the word &quot;penicillin.&quot; He was a nerd, he would&#039;ve got that right. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The strain of anthrax was available to others besides him&#8211;and over a four year period. I think scorpio has the case by the balls.<br />
He was either an unwitting accomplice, or a knowing one, but he did not act alone&#8211;and likely did not write the childish alleged terrorist notes, especially the one misspelling the word &quot;penicillin.&quot; He was a nerd, he would&#39;ve got that right. </p>
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		<title>By: charles  Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles  Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The anthrax letters made the “terrorist attack” seem wider and more general. This increased the sense of peril and Americans’ fear and anger, thereby opening wider the door for the Bush Regime’s attack on Iraq and US civil liberty.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now that the dead Ivins can be conveniently blamed for the anthrax mailings, the Bush Regime can declare the case closed, thus protecting the false flag operation from further risk of exposure.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Next, the AIPAC spy case...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anthrax letters made the “terrorist attack” seem wider and more general. This increased the sense of peril and Americans’ fear and anger, thereby opening wider the door for the Bush Regime’s attack on Iraq and US civil liberty.</p>
<p>Now that the dead Ivins can be conveniently blamed for the anthrax mailings, the Bush Regime can declare the case closed, thus protecting the false flag operation from further risk of exposure.</p>
<p>Next, the AIPAC spy case&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Belmont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Once it some of it gets hinky, it all gets hinky. &lt;br /&gt;
We don&#039;t even know for sure he suicided, because there&#039;s so damn much dishonesty in and all around the whole thing. &lt;br /&gt;
Like those two high-end prostitutes that suicided by hanging. Very hinky.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s creepy and scary but once it&#039;s become obvious - and it has become obvious - that these guys will stop at nothing to get what they want and to protect themselves, we have to approach everything they&#039;re involved in with that foremost in mind.&lt;br /&gt;
They will stop at nothing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Which means without a more powerful unbiased authority - which doesn&#039;t exist in earthly form just now - we only have each other.&lt;br /&gt;
Phil should listen to his friend.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once it some of it gets hinky, it all gets hinky. <br />
We don&#39;t even know for sure he suicided, because there&#39;s so damn much dishonesty in and all around the whole thing. <br />
Like those two high-end prostitutes that suicided by hanging. Very hinky.</p>
<p>It&#39;s creepy and scary but once it&#39;s become obvious &#8211; and it has become obvious &#8211; that these guys will stop at nothing to get what they want and to protect themselves, we have to approach everything they&#39;re involved in with that foremost in mind.<br />
They will stop at nothing.</p>
<p>Which means without a more powerful unbiased authority &#8211; which doesn&#39;t exist in earthly form just now &#8211; we only have each other.<br />
Phil should listen to his friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;His weirdness just does not appear skewed in the direction of a killer. Given the&lt;br /&gt;
politicization of the Justice Department, they&#039;ve probably been under orders to solve this by fall.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Word, Nancy. If you had a team working clandestinely to develop weaponized anthrax, an ideal cover would be having a patsy -- a Lee Harvey Oswald or Sirhan B. Sirhan figure, as it were -- to push in front of the cameras, so as to protect the real killers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nancy&#039;s offhand comment about &quot;solving this by fall&quot; is a bit more chilling. Are they clearing the decks of the old terror incidents (anthrax, Osama&#039;s driver, etc.) in order to set the stage for the next one? I would bet there&#039;s still some J. Edgar Hoover mentality in the dark crannies of government, the same mentality which led Hoover to spy on M. L. King. Some of those mossbacks just do not want a liberal black candidate to become president. Hillary has hinted at the &quot;solution.&quot; And that&#039;s all I&#039;m saying about that.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>&quot;His weirdness just does not appear skewed in the direction of a killer. Given the<br />
politicization of the Justice Department, they&#39;ve probably been under orders to solve this by fall.&quot;</p>
<p>Word, Nancy. If you had a team working clandestinely to develop weaponized anthrax, an ideal cover would be having a patsy &#8212; a Lee Harvey Oswald or Sirhan B. Sirhan figure, as it were &#8212; to push in front of the cameras, so as to protect the real killers.</p>
<p>Nancy&#39;s offhand comment about &quot;solving this by fall&quot; is a bit more chilling. Are they clearing the decks of the old terror incidents (anthrax, Osama&#39;s driver, etc.) in order to set the stage for the next one? I would bet there&#39;s still some J. Edgar Hoover mentality in the dark crannies of government, the same mentality which led Hoover to spy on M. L. King. Some of those mossbacks just do not want a liberal black candidate to become president. Hillary has hinted at the &quot;solution.&quot; And that&#39;s all I&#39;m saying about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva Smagacz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva Smagacz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do you think the person who misspelt penicillin as &quot;penacilin&quot; in the first anthrax note is the same person who spelt therapist as &quot;theripist&quot; while preparing Jean C Duley&#039;s submission?.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More seriously,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As a scientist with secondary career in mental health, I am simply not convinced of &quot;homicidal&quot; element in Dr. Ivin&#039;s condition. As other&#039;s said: creepy. Creepy doesn&#039;t mean guilty. I promise to be able to turn any of you readers into creepy crazies in national media based on some of your e-mail/letter extracts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hell, I remember some fantasies of mine that would put me firmly in &quot;split personality&quot; categories, and as to the death threats to my husband relating to rubbish not taken out.....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Obtaining anthrax in a sophisticated form that was send out from the simple liquid form he worked on is not a matter of working late. &lt;br /&gt;
It is sophisticated and complex process, and requires equipment ( which nobody seems to investigate) and at least access to correct standard operating procedures (recipes) which nobody seems to notice he did not have. Just how sophisticated that spore powder was seem to have been carefully brushed out of the discourse in the last few years. Saying that having access to right strain of Anthrax is sufficient  is like saying that I will knock off a swiss mechanism perpetual motion wristwatch in a week after work because I have access to correct grade steel and few right size springs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Have anybody in the field, anywhere, claimed it was doable? Has anybody recreated his work from the tools he had? Timed it?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think the person who misspelt penicillin as &quot;penacilin&quot; in the first anthrax note is the same person who spelt therapist as &quot;theripist&quot; while preparing Jean C Duley&#39;s submission?.</p>
<p>More seriously,</p>
<p>As a scientist with secondary career in mental health, I am simply not convinced of &quot;homicidal&quot; element in Dr. Ivin&#39;s condition. As other&#39;s said: creepy. Creepy doesn&#39;t mean guilty. I promise to be able to turn any of you readers into creepy crazies in national media based on some of your e-mail/letter extracts.</p>
<p>Hell, I remember some fantasies of mine that would put me firmly in &quot;split personality&quot; categories, and as to the death threats to my husband relating to rubbish not taken out&#8230;..</p>
<p>Obtaining anthrax in a sophisticated form that was send out from the simple liquid form he worked on is not a matter of working late. <br />
It is sophisticated and complex process, and requires equipment ( which nobody seems to investigate) and at least access to correct standard operating procedures (recipes) which nobody seems to notice he did not have. Just how sophisticated that spore powder was seem to have been carefully brushed out of the discourse in the last few years. Saying that having access to right strain of Anthrax is sufficient  is like saying that I will knock off a swiss mechanism perpetual motion wristwatch in a week after work because I have access to correct grade steel and few right size springs.</p>
<p>Have anybody in the field, anywhere, claimed it was doable? Has anybody recreated his work from the tools he had? Timed it?</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I promise to be able to turn any of you readers into creepy crazies in national media based on some of your e-mail/letter extracts.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Absolutely!&lt;/b&gt; That&#039;s why I am highly skeptic of this kind of evidence. As I can see how emotionally alluring it is to us humans.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wikipedia links to an old article about the &quot;Ames strain&quot; and its history:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/theamesstrain.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Ames Strain&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good article by Justin Raimondo. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13270&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Anthrax Follies and the Bizarro Effect&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I promise to be able to turn any of you readers into creepy crazies in national media based on some of your e-mail/letter extracts.</i></p>
<p><b>Absolutely!</b> That&#39;s why I am highly skeptic of this kind of evidence. As I can see how emotionally alluring it is to us humans.</p>
<p>Wikipedia links to an old article about the &quot;Ames strain&quot; and its history:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/theamesstrain.html" rel="nofollow">The Ames Strain</a></p>
<p>Good article by Justin Raimondo. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13270" rel="nofollow">The Anthrax Follies and the Bizarro Effect</a></p>
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		<title>By: morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>morris</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ charles Keating, &quot;false flag operation&quot;, maybe this phrase will become banned.&lt;br /&gt;
Big and small it is now the order of the day.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ charles Keating, &quot;false flag operation&quot;, maybe this phrase will become banned.<br />
Big and small it is now the order of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Oarwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oarwell</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The questions persist:  who were ABC&#039;s &quot;highly-placed&quot; government sources telling them the anthrax was Iraqi?  Who told Richard Cohen to take Cipro?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Who wrote the letter trying to frame Assad?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;False flags?  What about Sy Hersh&#039;s report that Cheney wanted to dress Navy SEALs as Iranians, put them in mock Iranian gunboats, and start a shooting war with the US Navy?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Certainly an interesting glimpse into how Cheney&#039;s brain works.  War, &quot;by any means necessary.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Funny how the MSM didn&#039;t touch that one.  Maybe they&#039;re too afraid.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As the heroic Raimondo says in his Antiwar.com column this morning, this &quot;...brings us to the scariest aspect of this entire affair: the real culprits are still out there.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cheney, according to Hersh, has no moral or ethical problem conjuring up a false flag event where Americans shoot at Americans to start a war. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; Ivins had no motive to specifically target Daschle, Leahy, and the media.  Others (guess who?) did.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Connect the dots.  Anthrax was a domestic false flag, which they are attempting to obscure with a dead patsy.  Was 9-11 itself a false flag operation?  Think about how many times the White House tried to block the 9-11 investigation.  Think of Condi&#039;s lies, about Cheney&#039;s lies that NEVER EVER could they conceive that people would fly planes into skyscrapers, even though the DOD had run numerous war games in the years preceeding the attacks with EXACTLY THAT SCENARIO.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Rip the mental covers off, and reveal the rotted corpse lying in the bed of American democracy.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The questions persist:  who were ABC&#39;s &quot;highly-placed&quot; government sources telling them the anthrax was Iraqi?  Who told Richard Cohen to take Cipro?</p>
<p>Who wrote the letter trying to frame Assad?  </p>
<p>False flags?  What about Sy Hersh&#39;s report that Cheney wanted to dress Navy SEALs as Iranians, put them in mock Iranian gunboats, and start a shooting war with the US Navy?</p>
<p>Certainly an interesting glimpse into how Cheney&#39;s brain works.  War, &quot;by any means necessary.&quot;</p>
<p>Funny how the MSM didn&#39;t touch that one.  Maybe they&#39;re too afraid.</p>
<p>As the heroic Raimondo says in his Antiwar.com column this morning, this &quot;&#8230;brings us to the scariest aspect of this entire affair: the real culprits are still out there.&quot; </p>
<p>Cheney, according to Hersh, has no moral or ethical problem conjuring up a false flag event where Americans shoot at Americans to start a war. </p>
<p> Ivins had no motive to specifically target Daschle, Leahy, and the media.  Others (guess who?) did.</p>
<p>Connect the dots.  Anthrax was a domestic false flag, which they are attempting to obscure with a dead patsy.  Was 9-11 itself a false flag operation?  Think about how many times the White House tried to block the 9-11 investigation.  Think of Condi&#39;s lies, about Cheney&#39;s lies that NEVER EVER could they conceive that people would fly planes into skyscrapers, even though the DOD had run numerous war games in the years preceeding the attacks with EXACTLY THAT SCENARIO.</p>
<p>Rip the mental covers off, and reveal the rotted corpse lying in the bed of American democracy.</p>
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