Comments on: My Father-in-Law: Failure to Solve Energy Crisis Would Be Like Losing World War II http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html/comment-page-1#comment-53873 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/22/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html#comment-53873 <p>There is no supply solution to the question. Drilling in the Arctic would supply a relatively small amount of the world's oil demand as would offshore drilling.</p> <p>It definitely should NOT be done until conversation is thoroughly pursued.</p> <p>We're addicts you know. We don't need additional drug mules to solve our problem.</p> There is no supply solution to the question. Drilling in the Arctic would supply a relatively small amount of the world's oil demand as would offshore drilling.

It definitely should NOT be done until conversation is thoroughly pursued.

We're addicts you know. We don't need additional drug mules to solve our problem.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html/comment-page-1#comment-53874 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/22/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html#comment-53874 <p>Phil,<br /> Your father is also very knowledgable about energy issues.</p> <p>Until my cousin's wedding, maybe 10 years ago, I really hadn't talked with your father much. At the time I was business manager of a not-for-profit that put on conferences on sustainable building and transportation and renewable energy.</p> <p>We talked about the prospects of wind, hydrogen based economy from solar and wind hydrolysis, even about some of the prominent people involved, whom he knew.</p> Phil,
Your father is also very knowledgable about energy issues.

Until my cousin's wedding, maybe 10 years ago, I really hadn't talked with your father much. At the time I was business manager of a not-for-profit that put on conferences on sustainable building and transportation and renewable energy.

We talked about the prospects of wind, hydrogen based economy from solar and wind hydrolysis, even about some of the prominent people involved, whom he knew.

]]> By: Leila Abu-Saba http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html/comment-page-1#comment-53875 Leila Abu-Saba Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/22/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html#comment-53875 <p>I'm thrilled FIL likes my comments. I thought we were on the same page...</p> <p>Re: Dr. Nocera at MIT and the new solar technology, referenced on the previous thread. My friend and reader Alison Chaiken, a PH.D. in physics from MIT, says that while the solar cell innovation is very promising, it will require a lot of cobalt, which is expensive and in short supply. Save your old hard disk drives, she says.</p> I'm thrilled FIL likes my comments. I thought we were on the same page…

Re: Dr. Nocera at MIT and the new solar technology, referenced on the previous thread. My friend and reader Alison Chaiken, a PH.D. in physics from MIT, says that while the solar cell innovation is very promising, it will require a lot of cobalt, which is expensive and in short supply. Save your old hard disk drives, she says.

]]> By: MRW. http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html/comment-page-1#comment-53876 MRW. Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/22/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html#comment-53876 <p>Tell your FIL to watch this series. And take what he says about oil in the arctic very very seriously...that would be the first 20 minutes or so; I cannot vouch for the rest. I can for the beginning. My family was involved in that discovery that was capped. (There were four.) Mr. Williams was ordered to STFU in June 2008, specifically about the info in the last parts, so this is the only place where you can hear this now. Williams has returned to his ministry.<br /> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk</p> Tell your FIL to watch this series. And take what he says about oil in the arctic very very seriously…that would be the first 20 minutes or so; I cannot vouch for the rest. I can for the beginning. My family was involved in that discovery that was capped. (There were four.) Mr. Williams was ordered to STFU in June 2008, specifically about the info in the last parts, so this is the only place where you can hear this now. Williams has returned to his ministry.
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/22/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html#comment-53877 <p>with any luck we'll get another 4-8 years of Republicans and we'll all be able to warm ourselves over the bonfires of books related to global warming, history, philosophy, scientific endeavor et cetera et cetera</p> with any luck we'll get another 4-8 years of Republicans and we'll all be able to warm ourselves over the bonfires of books related to global warming, history, philosophy, scientific endeavor et cetera et cetera

]]> By: americangoy http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html/comment-page-1#comment-53878 americangoy Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/22/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html#comment-53878 <p>This is all bullshit.</p> <p>Drilling in Alaska - driving 55mph - bullshit.</p> <p>The key is to have people in government who are not tied to the oil cartels, who don't make millions off the USA's (and global) dependence on oil.</p> <p>Step one would be that - after that it will be easier.</p> <p>I am somewhat of an optimist on this - give government grants to our universities; reward R&D for oil/energy substitutes.</p> <p>That's the way.</p> <p>Ere you go, fellas.</p> <p>Now drive 80mph in your new low usage car, 200miles per gallon.</p> This is all bullshit.

Drilling in Alaska – driving 55mph – bullshit.

The key is to have people in government who are not tied to the oil cartels, who don't make millions off the USA's (and global) dependence on oil.

Step one would be that – after that it will be easier.

I am somewhat of an optimist on this – give government grants to our universities; reward R&D for oil/energy substitutes.

That's the way.

Ere you go, fellas.

Now drive 80mph in your new low usage car, 200miles per gallon.

]]> By: Ozzie Maland http://mondoweiss.net/2008/08/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html/comment-page-1#comment-53879 Ozzie Maland Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/08/22/my-father-in-laws-list-enforce-the-55-mph-speed-limit-open-anwr-to-drilling.html#comment-53879 <p>Re Dr. Nocera, cont'd:</p> <p>Cobalt prices have been skyrocketing for three years, owing to many high tech uses such as in rechargeable batteries. Even at the current futures’ price, US $50 per pound, however, there would not be a significant adverse effect on Dr. Nocera’s projected economies for his new system. Also, there is a question of whether his system, as currently developed, actually employs any platinum in fuel cell anodes or in any other components or water catalysts. But, his whole pitch is contested from top to bottom by this oil-industry source (warning: this source could be using disinformation to help bring about political delays):</p> <p>http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4378</p> <p>As for the price of cobalt, this source seems incontestable:</p> <p>http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page36?oid=43655&sn=Detail</p> <p>There so much pie-in-the-sky hype concerning energy – Boone Pickens has a huge ballyhoo going for natural gas (in which, naturally, he has huge investments). It’s probably worth looking at a few excerpts from a millennial book about Geoffrey Ballard as a case in point; consider this book review from January 2000:</p> <p>Powering the Future: The Ballard Fuel Cell and the Race to Change the World<br /> By Tom Koppel<br /> Reviewed by Teresa McUsic<br /> FORT WORTH STAR-TELEGRAM</p> <p>…If the skeptic in you is wondering where these cars with Ballard fuel cells are and where this compressed hydrogen will come from, consider this: DaimlerChrysler has a prototype car on the road in Germany and plans to put fuel cell cars on the market by 2004, along with Toyota and General Motors…<br /> Now 35 percent owned by DaimlerChrysler and Ford, Ballard Power Systems stock is up tenfold in the last three years. Daimler and Ballard also agreed to create a separate company called Ballard Automotive that would be owned jointly and would market the fuel cells and fuel cell engines. Although Ballard is a millionaire several times over, money may be the least of his interests. As he told students graduating from the University of Victoria, British Columbia: "Do not be patient. All things do not come to those who wait. Challenge the normal. Question conventional wisdom .... Dare to be in a hurry to change things for the better." [end excerpts]</p> <p>The timeline for fuel cell cars is still way ahead, although there is a gas station in Irvine, CA, where 200 fuel cell cars sold by Toyota can refuel with hydrogen, such cars running over six figures in price. What happened to the much-trumpeted Vancouver fuel cell by Ballard? I have to think money and politics wedged in there, beginning with the sale of 35% of the company stock.</p> <p>-- <br /> Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego</p> Re Dr. Nocera, cont'd:

Cobalt prices have been skyrocketing for three years, owing to many high tech uses such as in rechargeable batteries. Even at the current futures’ price, US $50 per pound, however, there would not be a significant adverse effect on Dr. Nocera’s projected economies for his new system. Also, there is a question of whether his system, as currently developed, actually employs any platinum in fuel cell anodes or in any other components or water catalysts. But, his whole pitch is contested from top to bottom by this oil-industry source (warning: this source could be using disinformation to help bring about political delays):

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4378

As for the price of cobalt, this source seems incontestable:

http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page36?oid=43655&sn=Detail

There so much pie-in-the-sky hype concerning energy – Boone Pickens has a huge ballyhoo going for natural gas (in which, naturally, he has huge investments). It’s probably worth looking at a few excerpts from a millennial book about Geoffrey Ballard as a case in point; consider this book review from January 2000:

Powering the Future: The Ballard Fuel Cell and the Race to Change the World
By Tom Koppel
Reviewed by Teresa McUsic
FORT WORTH STAR-TELEGRAM

…If the skeptic in you is wondering where these cars with Ballard fuel cells are and where this compressed hydrogen will come from, consider this: DaimlerChrysler has a prototype car on the road in Germany and plans to put fuel cell cars on the market by 2004, along with Toyota and General Motors…
Now 35 percent owned by DaimlerChrysler and Ford, Ballard Power Systems stock is up tenfold in the last three years. Daimler and Ballard also agreed to create a separate company called Ballard Automotive that would be owned jointly and would market the fuel cells and fuel cell engines. Although Ballard is a millionaire several times over, money may be the least of his interests. As he told students graduating from the University of Victoria, British Columbia: "Do not be patient. All things do not come to those who wait. Challenge the normal. Question conventional wisdom …. Dare to be in a hurry to change things for the better." [end excerpts]

The timeline for fuel cell cars is still way ahead, although there is a gas station in Irvine, CA, where 200 fuel cell cars sold by Toyota can refuel with hydrogen, such cars running over six figures in price. What happened to the much-trumpeted Vancouver fuel cell by Ballard? I have to think money and politics wedged in there, beginning with the sale of 35% of the company stock.

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Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego

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