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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Obama I think will change this.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Evidence?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Obama I think will change this.</i></p>
<p>Evidence?</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I blogged &quot;The Jewish Clause&quot; court case at &lt;a href=&quot;http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2008/08/zionization-of-us-judiciary.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Zionization of the US Judiciary&lt;/a&gt;. Judge Greiman&#039;s dissenting opinion indicates how deeply Zionism has become embedded in the American legal system.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I corresponded with Michele&#039;s husband Ethan to obtain some more information, and I compared the difference in coverage between the general and Jewish press.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blogged &quot;The Jewish Clause&quot; court case at <a href="http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2008/08/zionization-of-us-judiciary.html" rel="nofollow">Zionization of the US Judiciary</a>. Judge Greiman&#39;s dissenting opinion indicates how deeply Zionism has become embedded in the American legal system.</p>
<p>I corresponded with Michele&#39;s husband Ethan to obtain some more information, and I compared the difference in coverage between the general and Jewish press.</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No evidence MM. Only the audacity of hope.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;a) you leave the choice to the couch potatoes, who vote what the priest and FOX news tells them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;b) you vote McCain and turn your attention on Iran.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;c) you vote Obama, hoping it will make a  difference.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;d) you start a revolution. (Four is my favorite number, so I had to add something.)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No evidence MM. Only the audacity of hope.</p>
<p>a) you leave the choice to the couch potatoes, who vote what the priest and FOX news tells them.</p>
<p>b) you vote McCain and turn your attention on Iran.</p>
<p>c) you vote Obama, hoping it will make a  difference.</p>
<p>d) you start a revolution. (Four is my favorite number, so I had to add something.)</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, that was the first obviously Krautish mistake, it feels. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;you vote &quot;for&quot; Obama. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that was the first obviously Krautish mistake, it feels. </p>
<p>you vote &quot;for&quot; Obama. </p>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joachim, nice article summarizing the &quot;Jewish clause&quot; case. I thought you were very fair to dissenting judge Grieman, but I too would love to see a review of his decisions.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joachim, nice article summarizing the &quot;Jewish clause&quot; case. I thought you were very fair to dissenting judge Grieman, but I too would love to see a review of his decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I second the transilvanian count. That was another great work by Martillo.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second the transilvanian count. That was another great work by Martillo.</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anonymous: I second the transilvanian count. That was another great work by Martillo.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;LeaNder: Not bad. But the problems start where matters are squeezed too tightly to fit the larger design. Were ideology steamrolls reflection. Like here:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2008/08/zionization-of-us-judiciary.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Zionization of US judiciary&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;The argument over Michele&#039;s complaint even echoes the question of Palestine. When Michele or Palestinians attempt to address misappropriation or theft, Greiman and Zionists justify their positions by reference to the 4,000 year old heritage of Judaism even though Shaye Cohen argues that Jewishness begins in the fourth century CE. A case can even be made that Rabbinic Judaism did not crystallize until the 10th century CE.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Could we have the exact &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaye_Cohen&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shaye Cohen&lt;/a&gt; Source, Joachim? It can&#039;t be this:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.de/books?id=cvWq4tG4EhMC&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Beginnings of Jewishness&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous: I second the transilvanian count. That was another great work by Martillo.</p>
<p>LeaNder: Not bad. But the problems start where matters are squeezed too tightly to fit the larger design. Were ideology steamrolls reflection. Like here:</p>
<p><a href="http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2008/08/zionization-of-us-judiciary.html" rel="nofollow">Zionization of US judiciary</a></p>
<p><i>The argument over Michele&#39;s complaint even echoes the question of Palestine. When Michele or Palestinians attempt to address misappropriation or theft, Greiman and Zionists justify their positions by reference to the 4,000 year old heritage of Judaism even though Shaye Cohen argues that Jewishness begins in the fourth century CE. A case can even be made that Rabbinic Judaism did not crystallize until the 10th century CE.</i></p>
<p>Could we have the exact <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaye_Cohen" rel="nofollow">Shaye Cohen</a> Source, Joachim? It can&#39;t be this:</p>
<p><a href="http://books.google.de/books?id=cvWq4tG4EhMC" rel="nofollow">The Beginnings of Jewishness</a></p>
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		<title>By: Geesh, what a pain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geesh, what a pain</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Could we have the exact ...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;LeaNder, why don&#039;t you just post your opinion on when rabbinic Judaism started, and give your reasons for thinking so. This ain&#039;t MySpace.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>LeaNder, why don&#39;t you just post your opinion on when rabbinic Judaism started, and give your reasons for thinking so. This ain&#39;t MySpace.</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Geesh, what a pain&lt;/b&gt;: Why don&#039;t you just post your opinion when rabbinic Judaism started&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;LeaNder&lt;/b&gt;: OK, Geesh my reaction was a bit heavy. But if something strikes you and you either do not understand or it makes no sense to you. What would you suggest, I should do other than ask?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think Joachim should be prepared for such a question. It doesn&#039;t seem to make sense to suggest that the origins of Judaism and of the Christian religion can be traced back to about the same time frame or century. And   4AC/CE or 10AC/CE circles too much around the famous &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anno Domini&lt;/a&gt; or the year &quot;0&quot; for my taste. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Strictly that feels as if he wants to harmonize the Jewish and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysius_Exiguus#Anno_Domini&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christian calenders&lt;/a&gt;. And since historically this makes no sense, he should be prepared to give the original source. Even more if he cites a prof in Jewish studies from Harvard.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Geesh, what a pain</b>: Why don&#39;t you just post your opinion when rabbinic Judaism started</p>
<p><b>LeaNder</b>: OK, Geesh my reaction was a bit heavy. But if something strikes you and you either do not understand or it makes no sense to you. What would you suggest, I should do other than ask?</p>
<p>I think Joachim should be prepared for such a question. It doesn&#39;t seem to make sense to suggest that the origins of Judaism and of the Christian religion can be traced back to about the same time frame or century. And   4AC/CE or 10AC/CE circles too much around the famous <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini" rel="nofollow">Anno Domini</a> or the year &quot;0&quot; for my taste. </p>
<p>Strictly that feels as if he wants to harmonize the Jewish and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysius_Exiguus#Anno_Domini" rel="nofollow">Christian calenders</a>. And since historically this makes no sense, he should be prepared to give the original source. Even more if he cites a prof in Jewish studies from Harvard.</p>
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		<title>By: Geesh what an airhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geesh what an airhead</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;And 4AC/CE or 10AC/CE circles too much around the famous Anno Domini or the year &quot;0&quot; for my taste.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oi vey. And this is analysis?!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Are you going to tell us what date you use for the beginning of rabbinic Judaism, or are you keeping it to yourself?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;And 4AC/CE or 10AC/CE circles too much around the famous Anno Domini or the year &quot;0&quot; for my taste.&quot;</p>
<p>Oi vey. And this is analysis?!</p>
<p>Are you going to tell us what date you use for the beginning of rabbinic Judaism, or are you keeping it to yourself?</p>
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