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	<title>Comments on: Happy New Year (Jewish New Year&#8211;Apologies to Gentile Readers) to Seliger</title>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Weiss wrote: &quot;My problem is with identity politics. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s helping, I want to move past it...I&#039;m a journalist, I&#039;m old, I&#039;ve been in this business a long time. I am, therefore, interested at this point in life by what&#039;s true and new and important, and this satisfies all three&quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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This attitude is what puts guys like Weiss on the historical vanguard and Zionists like Seliger -- be they Left, Right or in between -- in the rear view mirror of history. For Zionists, tribal loyalties, in the end, trump all, whereas for post-tribalists, each issue or policy is judged on its merits, not by the number of co-tribalists lined up behind it. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Seliger and other Left-Zionists pretend to subscribe to post-tribalism on all issues but the one that matters to them the most -- Zionism -- which in turn rightly makes all of their other post-tribalist &quot;stands&quot; suspect.  Anyone who will betray a cause once will do it time and again whenever  things get tight. Jews right now are being put through an historical stress test, and only a handful on the vanguard like Weiss and Martillo or passing muster. The rest are reverting to form.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weiss wrote: &quot;My problem is with identity politics. I don&#39;t think it&#39;s helping, I want to move past it&#8230;I&#39;m a journalist, I&#39;m old, I&#39;ve been in this business a long time. I am, therefore, interested at this point in life by what&#39;s true and new and important, and this satisfies all three&quot; <br />
&#8212;-<br />
This attitude is what puts guys like Weiss on the historical vanguard and Zionists like Seliger &#8212; be they Left, Right or in between &#8212; in the rear view mirror of history. For Zionists, tribal loyalties, in the end, trump all, whereas for post-tribalists, each issue or policy is judged on its merits, not by the number of co-tribalists lined up behind it. </p>
<p>Seliger and other Left-Zionists pretend to subscribe to post-tribalism on all issues but the one that matters to them the most &#8212; Zionism &#8212; which in turn rightly makes all of their other post-tribalist &quot;stands&quot; suspect.  Anyone who will betray a cause once will do it time and again whenever  things get tight. Jews right now are being put through an historical stress test, and only a handful on the vanguard like Weiss and Martillo or passing muster. The rest are reverting to form.</p>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;An answer to Zionist influence in American politics:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ahmadinejad08.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - A true alternative to McBama!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An answer to Zionist influence in American politics:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ahmadinejad08.com" rel="nofollow">Mahmoud Ahmadinejad &#8211; A true alternative to McBama!</a></p>
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		<title>By: syvanen</title>
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		<dc:creator>syvanen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seliger complains that we complain about the Israel Lobby and then praises it with &quot;My point is that ethnic diversity and all this implies for people to freely act to &quot;lobby&quot; or influence their government is as American as apple pie.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem is that your lobby was spectacularly successful.  You have gotten us into two ME wars on your behalf.  First Lebanon in 1982 and now Iraq. Those wars were not one bit in US national interests but the Israelis believed they were in hers. And her agents in this country held sway.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, because of the Israel Lobby&#039;s tremendous success, then that makes it the enemy of every patriotic American.  This really is what it comes down to. We do not want you to destroy our country.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seliger complains that we complain about the Israel Lobby and then praises it with &quot;My point is that ethnic diversity and all this implies for people to freely act to &quot;lobby&quot; or influence their government is as American as apple pie.&quot;</p>
<p>The problem is that your lobby was spectacularly successful.  You have gotten us into two ME wars on your behalf.  First Lebanon in 1982 and now Iraq. Those wars were not one bit in US national interests but the Israelis believed they were in hers. And her agents in this country held sway.</p>
<p>Now, because of the Israel Lobby&#39;s tremendous success, then that makes it the enemy of every patriotic American.  This really is what it comes down to. We do not want you to destroy our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seliger is right. Phil is wrong.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Seliger is right that Phil has alienated more than he&#039;s motivated.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seliger is right. Phil is wrong.</p>
<p>Seliger is right that Phil has alienated more than he&#39;s motivated.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva Smagacz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva Smagacz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Phil has alienated more than he&#039;s motivated&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let me get this extraordinary statement straight: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;According to above, a generic Jew, after reading Phil&#039;s blog, and after finding out the countless examples of abuses of Palestinian human rights by Israelis, will not feel motivated to do the right thing, and nudge its community in direction of basic tenets of western civilisation BUT, instead, will feel alienated, and presumably will do exactly opposite and rut for Israeli government to show those dirty Arabs once and for all that staying in Judea and Samaria is really not an option, and Gazan&#039;s really don&#039;t need more than, say, 1000 calories a day, if that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; ??????????????????&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You seem accord less humanitarian  attributes to Jews than most of us, &quot;anti-semites&quot;, commenting on this blog. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Phil has alienated more than he&#39;s motivated&quot;.</p>
<p>Let me get this extraordinary statement straight: </p>
<p>According to above, a generic Jew, after reading Phil&#39;s blog, and after finding out the countless examples of abuses of Palestinian human rights by Israelis, will not feel motivated to do the right thing, and nudge its community in direction of basic tenets of western civilisation BUT, instead, will feel alienated, and presumably will do exactly opposite and rut for Israeli government to show those dirty Arabs once and for all that staying in Judea and Samaria is really not an option, and Gazan&#39;s really don&#39;t need more than, say, 1000 calories a day, if that.</p>
<p> ??????????????????</p>
<p>You seem accord less humanitarian  attributes to Jews than most of us, &quot;anti-semites&quot;, commenting on this blog. </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil&#039;s willingness to savage individuals adamently working for peace is what alienates.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He knows it. You know it.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil&#39;s willingness to savage individuals adamently working for peace is what alienates.</p>
<p>He knows it. You know it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Malfara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Malfara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is a good post, and your response to Mr. Seliger is accurate and compelling.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t understand why you feel a need to apologize to gentile readers like myself for wishing Mr. Seliger a Happy Jewish New Year.  Also, I don&#039;t think that Christians who celebrate Christmas or Muslims who celebrate Ramadan should feel any need to apologize to non-believers for offering good wishes to their co-religionists on these holidays.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;PM&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>This is a good post, and your response to Mr. Seliger is accurate and compelling.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t understand why you feel a need to apologize to gentile readers like myself for wishing Mr. Seliger a Happy Jewish New Year.  Also, I don&#39;t think that Christians who celebrate Christmas or Muslims who celebrate Ramadan should feel any need to apologize to non-believers for offering good wishes to their co-religionists on these holidays.</p>
<p>PM</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Weis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Weis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with Richy. Phil has alienated those on the Jewish left which has a good track record of fighting for civil rights over the decades. He views that just because they support Israel, they are incapable for fighting for civil rights in Israel like being Zionist is some form of &quot;original sin&quot;. In the olden days, a person like Philip would have believed that they (Zionists) had to accept Jesus in order to redeem themselves. Now Phil wants the Jewish community/individuals to condemn the existence of Israel like it was a sin.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Richy. Phil has alienated those on the Jewish left which has a good track record of fighting for civil rights over the decades. He views that just because they support Israel, they are incapable for fighting for civil rights in Israel like being Zionist is some form of &quot;original sin&quot;. In the olden days, a person like Philip would have believed that they (Zionists) had to accept Jesus in order to redeem themselves. Now Phil wants the Jewish community/individuals to condemn the existence of Israel like it was a sin.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Weis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Weis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since Phil views Israel as an original sin, I have an analogy for him that I read in the book &quot;Jewish Literacy&quot;:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A woman named Eve marries a man named Adam. Adam&#039;s father is the CEO of large corporation. He gives his son a job as a vice president but since he&#039;s so inexperienced he has no responsibilities. He brings home a big check every week but does nothing with it. Eve soon realizes that she&#039;s married not to a man, but to a child. In order for her to make him a man, she force him to quit his job, say goodbye to his father, and move to another city.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Phil views Israel as an original sin, I have an analogy for him that I read in the book &quot;Jewish Literacy&quot;:</p>
<p>A woman named Eve marries a man named Adam. Adam&#39;s father is the CEO of large corporation. He gives his son a job as a vice president but since he&#39;s so inexperienced he has no responsibilities. He brings home a big check every week but does nothing with it. Eve soon realizes that she&#39;s married not to a man, but to a child. In order for her to make him a man, she force him to quit his job, say goodbye to his father, and move to another city.</p>
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		<title>By: liberal white boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberal white boy</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If they support Israel they are savages. It is as simple as that. Off to hell with them.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they support Israel they are savages. It is as simple as that. Off to hell with them.</p>
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