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	<title>Comments on: Leading Journal Publishes a Desperate Portrait of Israel as a &#8216;Failed European Fragment&#8217; Hated by Its Neighbors</title>
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		<title>By: otto</title>
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		<dc:creator>otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This piece by Lustick&#039;s is also worth reading, even if a little theoretical:&lt;br /&gt;
“History, Historiography, and Political Science: Multiple Historical Records and the Problem of Selection Bias,&quot; American Political Science Review, Vol. 90, No. 3 (September 1996) pp. 605-618.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And this may be an earlier draft of the Lustick Iron Wall article:&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.aisisraelstudies.org/2007papers/AIS2007_Lustick_NV.pdf&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece by Lustick&#39;s is also worth reading, even if a little theoretical:<br />
“History, Historiography, and Political Science: Multiple Historical Records and the Problem of Selection Bias,&quot; American Political Science Review, Vol. 90, No. 3 (September 1996) pp. 605-618.</p>
<p>And this may be an earlier draft of the Lustick Iron Wall article:<br />
<a href="http://www.aisisraelstudies.org/2007papers/AIS2007_Lustick_NV.pdf</p>
<p>&#8220;>link to aisisraelstudies.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: the Sword of Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Sword of Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Come on, you have to do better than Ian Lustick. And that policy think tank. It reads like a line up for Arabists are us.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on, you have to do better than Ian Lustick. And that policy think tank. It reads like a line up for Arabists are us.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Before he died Baruch Kimmerling and I were discussing the reliability of Israel&#039;s Central Bureau of Statistics with regard to the size of the Jewish and non-Jewish population. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was looking for dependent variables that were associated mainly with population and whose correlation with other variables could be factored out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However I looked at the data, I came to the conclusion that the Arab proportion within the green line is at least 10% higher than the CBS indicates.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The CBS tends to over-count Jewish Israelis by counting as resident people who are not. It under-counts Arab Israelis because it treats as emigrants people who have only left temporarily. Yet such a bias does not explain the discrepancy, which probably comes to a large extent from OT Palestinians, who are living within the green line in defiance of Israeli law.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before he died Baruch Kimmerling and I were discussing the reliability of Israel&#39;s Central Bureau of Statistics with regard to the size of the Jewish and non-Jewish population. </p>
<p>I was looking for dependent variables that were associated mainly with population and whose correlation with other variables could be factored out.</p>
<p>However I looked at the data, I came to the conclusion that the Arab proportion within the green line is at least 10% higher than the CBS indicates.</p>
<p>The CBS tends to over-count Jewish Israelis by counting as resident people who are not. It under-counts Arab Israelis because it treats as emigrants people who have only left temporarily. Yet such a bias does not explain the discrepancy, which probably comes to a large extent from OT Palestinians, who are living within the green line in defiance of Israeli law.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva Smagacz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva Smagacz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All the previous &quot;European fragments&quot; shared one characteristic:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They did not possess nuclear weapons.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Isn&#039;t it time to really pressure Israel to let International Atomic Energy Agency to inspect the precautions they have in place to prevent fundamentalists getting too close to the button?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wonder if key people ( what we would call intellectuals in Europe) would read this article, and unlike Mr. Weiss, I have my doubts. They may well take SOG route and dismiss the article (without reading)  as being published by &quot;predictably anti-semitic leftwinger&quot;. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This way of pre-selecting reading materials is very common in my humble opinion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While I can understand why average american has not taken his/hers pink spectacles off  when it comes to Israel, I cannot believe that Israel Lobby can control the access to internet of entire chattering classes of the US. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With attitudes to Israel virtually unchanged since the WWW revolution, I can only conclude that people pre-select what they read on the Internet according to criteria set by their preconceived political ideas.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the previous &quot;European fragments&quot; shared one characteristic:</p>
<p>They did not possess nuclear weapons.</p>
<p>Isn&#39;t it time to really pressure Israel to let International Atomic Energy Agency to inspect the precautions they have in place to prevent fundamentalists getting too close to the button?</p>
<p>I wonder if key people ( what we would call intellectuals in Europe) would read this article, and unlike Mr. Weiss, I have my doubts. They may well take SOG route and dismiss the article (without reading)  as being published by &quot;predictably anti-semitic leftwinger&quot;. </p>
<p>This way of pre-selecting reading materials is very common in my humble opinion.</p>
<p>While I can understand why average american has not taken his/hers pink spectacles off  when it comes to Israel, I cannot believe that Israel Lobby can control the access to internet of entire chattering classes of the US. </p>
<p>With attitudes to Israel virtually unchanged since the WWW revolution, I can only conclude that people pre-select what they read on the Internet according to criteria set by their preconceived political ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: the Sword of Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Sword of Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your family have a good time at Jedwebne Eva?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your family have a good time at Jedwebne Eva?</p>
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		<title>By: Bar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anti Israel feeling in US is on the rise for multiple reasons, the biggest being resentment of power of the Jewish-Israel Lobby stifling diversity of opinion, free speech without career impingement, architecture of wars, foreign interests, jew centric ideaolgies. Should every Israeli Jew leave Israel, I am not sure these people would be welcomed in US or Europe such is the gap between governments and how little they reflect popular discourse. If Jews have the same rights as others in western societies then we must learn to do without congresses and demanding, bullying leagues who have done so much to bait non Jews. It is time for more Jews to speak out and demand their fellows Jews, normalise. &lt;br /&gt;
Political systems, if they are to be truly democratic must be regulated to ensure no elites, be them corporate or ethnic own the system.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti Israel feeling in US is on the rise for multiple reasons, the biggest being resentment of power of the Jewish-Israel Lobby stifling diversity of opinion, free speech without career impingement, architecture of wars, foreign interests, jew centric ideaolgies. Should every Israeli Jew leave Israel, I am not sure these people would be welcomed in US or Europe such is the gap between governments and how little they reflect popular discourse. If Jews have the same rights as others in western societies then we must learn to do without congresses and demanding, bullying leagues who have done so much to bait non Jews. It is time for more Jews to speak out and demand their fellows Jews, normalise. <br />
Political systems, if they are to be truly democratic must be regulated to ensure no elites, be them corporate or ethnic own the system.  </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Blaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Blaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;SoG: You are really odious and loathsome.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SoG: You are really odious and loathsome.</p>
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		<title>By: peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt; &quot;I understand perfectly well that nation-building requires ethnic cleansing, and the Israelis were no worse than other nations, whose brutal elimination of ethnic and linguistic minorities has long been forgotten except to specialized historians.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
David F&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Did no one notice this amazing statement of one commenter?  It is extraordinary to me that Jews accuse Arabs of barbarity then   say things like this without realizing how he betrayed himself.  This is a truly alien, unWestern kind of thinking. Who are we harboring in our midst? (Yes, I know not all Jews think this way.)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &quot;I understand perfectly well that nation-building requires ethnic cleansing, and the Israelis were no worse than other nations, whose brutal elimination of ethnic and linguistic minorities has long been forgotten except to specialized historians.&quot;<br />
David F</p>
<p>Did no one notice this amazing statement of one commenter?  It is extraordinary to me that Jews accuse Arabs of barbarity then   say things like this without realizing how he betrayed himself.  This is a truly alien, unWestern kind of thinking. Who are we harboring in our midst? (Yes, I know not all Jews think this way.)</p>
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		<title>By: cogit8</title>
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		<dc:creator>cogit8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;SOG still believes in trenches, blood and iron to solve problems.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SOG still believes in trenches, blood and iron to solve problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Weis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Weis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This guy thinks he knows Israeli psychology but he is very wrong.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy thinks he knows Israeli psychology but he is very wrong.</p>
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