Comments on: Most Israelis Agree: ‘A Jewish State Has Turned Out to Be a Bad Idea for the Jews’ http://mondoweiss.net/2008/09/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:42:12 +0000 hourly 1 By: Paul Easton, Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, Belly Of The Beast http://mondoweiss.net/2008/09/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html/comment-page-1#comment-51189 Paul Easton, Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, Belly Of The Beast Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/09/19/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html#comment-51189 <p>Is 'Jewishness' a religion or a nationality? Depends who you ask.</p> <p>I propose we formalize the split between genuinely religious and humanistic Jews, and Zionist Jew Bastards.</p> Is 'Jewishness' a religion or a nationality? Depends who you ask.

I propose we formalize the split between genuinely religious and humanistic Jews, and Zionist Jew Bastards.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/09/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html/comment-page-1#comment-51190 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/09/19/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html#comment-51190 <p>Your headline is misleading Phil.</p> <p>The article is just a rant, not a summary of that comment.</p> <p>The definition of Jewish is social and cultural, of which religion is a potential contributor.</p> <p>Are you a Jew? Are you religious?</p> Your headline is misleading Phil.

The article is just a rant, not a summary of that comment.

The definition of Jewish is social and cultural, of which religion is a potential contributor.

Are you a Jew? Are you religious?

]]> By: Abe Bird http://mondoweiss.net/2008/09/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html/comment-page-1#comment-51191 Abe Bird Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/09/19/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html#comment-51191 <p> I really don't know where from Ofra Yeshua-Lyth, "formerly a journalist" writes about the "new desire" of the Israelis? I know Israel very well and they are stand clear and strong with their desire for their national state Israel live aside in peace with the Arabs tribes around them and within them. Couple of people talking about "one state solution" is not representing the Jewish will.</p> <p>The best political solution for the Israeli Arab conflict is a "two states solution". The "Two states solution" is the only possible solution to live with peace: The Arab state of Palestine is Jordan and the Jewish state of Palestine is Israel. The border in between is the Jordan River, Arabs will be the citizens of Palestinian Jordan and the Jews will be the citizens of Palestinian Israel. Arabs who will stay living in Israel will be Israel residents (but not citizens) and will vote for the Palestinian Parliament in Amman. The Jews who will live in Jordan will be Jordanian residence (but not citizens) and will vote for their Knesset in Jerusalem. In such a solution there will be no Arabs moving from one part of Palestine to the other part. Every one will continue to live on his personal soil and will continue his daily life (only minus his terror duties). The main change will be that for the first time of their short people hood the Arab Palestinian will have their Palestine they are dreaming for. Salam Aleikum! <br /> </p> I really don't know where from Ofra Yeshua-Lyth, "formerly a journalist" writes about the "new desire" of the Israelis? I know Israel very well and they are stand clear and strong with their desire for their national state Israel live aside in peace with the Arabs tribes around them and within them. Couple of people talking about "one state solution" is not representing the Jewish will.

The best political solution for the Israeli Arab conflict is a "two states solution". The "Two states solution" is the only possible solution to live with peace: The Arab state of Palestine is Jordan and the Jewish state of Palestine is Israel. The border in between is the Jordan River, Arabs will be the citizens of Palestinian Jordan and the Jews will be the citizens of Palestinian Israel. Arabs who will stay living in Israel will be Israel residents (but not citizens) and will vote for the Palestinian Parliament in Amman. The Jews who will live in Jordan will be Jordanian residence (but not citizens) and will vote for their Knesset in Jerusalem. In such a solution there will be no Arabs moving from one part of Palestine to the other part. Every one will continue to live on his personal soil and will continue his daily life (only minus his terror duties). The main change will be that for the first time of their short people hood the Arab Palestinian will have their Palestine they are dreaming for. Salam Aleikum!

]]> By: Abe Bird http://mondoweiss.net/2008/09/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html/comment-page-1#comment-51192 Abe Bird Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/09/19/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html#comment-51192 <p>Richard Witty: Judaism, Jews and Jewish are a belief/religion and people hood/nationality combined. The 'Palestinian conflict' is whether the Palestinian Arabs accept the right of the Palestinian Jews to have their own national state in the land of Israel. The Arabs, who conquered the land for some only few decades in medieval time (which later proceeded by the Muslim Turks conquer until the British conquer) are now rejecting the Jews' right to their land in the name of their Allah and their "Dahr el-Islam". The basis of the conflict is then Islamic religious zealot extremism rejection of non-Muslims. Zionism is the Jews' political movement to establish the Jewish state. Nothing more. You should know that Israel can continue to live with out peace for more hundreds years as the Jewish state hood lives already for 120 years (from 1882).</p> Richard Witty: Judaism, Jews and Jewish are a belief/religion and people hood/nationality combined. The 'Palestinian conflict' is whether the Palestinian Arabs accept the right of the Palestinian Jews to have their own national state in the land of Israel. The Arabs, who conquered the land for some only few decades in medieval time (which later proceeded by the Muslim Turks conquer until the British conquer) are now rejecting the Jews' right to their land in the name of their Allah and their "Dahr el-Islam". The basis of the conflict is then Islamic religious zealot extremism rejection of non-Muslims. Zionism is the Jews' political movement to establish the Jewish state. Nothing more. You should know that Israel can continue to live with out peace for more hundreds years as the Jewish state hood lives already for 120 years (from 1882).

]]> By: Paul Easton, Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, Belly Of The Beast http://mondoweiss.net/2008/09/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html/comment-page-1#comment-51193 Paul Easton, Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, Belly Of The Beast Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/09/19/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html#comment-51193 <p>Witty says 'The definition of Jewish is social and cultural, of which religion is a potential contributor'.</p> <p>From a religious point of view the definition is love of Yahweh and Hisher teachings. From this point of view a Zionist can not be Jewish. Jews and Jew Bastards are disjoint sets.</p> Witty says 'The definition of Jewish is social and cultural, of which religion is a potential contributor'.

From a religious point of view the definition is love of Yahweh and Hisher teachings. From this point of view a Zionist can not be Jewish. Jews and Jew Bastards are disjoint sets.

]]> By: slaney black http://mondoweiss.net/2008/09/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html/comment-page-1#comment-51194 slaney black Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/09/19/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html#comment-51194 <p>Abe Bird,</p> <p>Thanks for the first honest and practical-minded case for the two state solution I've ever heard!</p> <p>You lay the cynical barbarism of it refreshingly out in the open.</p> <p>Mazeltov, sadiqi!</p> Abe Bird,

Thanks for the first honest and practical-minded case for the two state solution I've ever heard!

You lay the cynical barbarism of it refreshingly out in the open.

Mazeltov, sadiqi!

]]> By: Paul Easton, Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, Belly Of The Beast http://mondoweiss.net/2008/09/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html/comment-page-1#comment-51195 Paul Easton, Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, Belly Of The Beast Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/09/19/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html#comment-51195 <p>To dialog with the like of Selinger degrades this blog. People like Abe Birdie above then chip in with their two cents. Phil doesnt care because he doesnt read the comments.<br /> </p> To dialog with the like of Selinger degrades this blog. People like Abe Birdie above then chip in with their two cents. Phil doesnt care because he doesnt read the comments.

]]> By: Abe Bird http://mondoweiss.net/2008/09/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html/comment-page-1#comment-51196 Abe Bird Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/09/19/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html#comment-51196 <p>Paul Easton: What's your problem? Can't you read history and reality? If your feelings can't cope with facts don't attack the Jews but rather go to a Jewish psychiatric doctor to re-maintain your brain. <br /> Are you really desperate that Phil doesn't read the comments? Take into account that he might change his political vision.</p> <p>slaney black: Thank you (-: I think that it is very importand for people as you (and Easton) to study history from History books and not from Falsetinian Hysteria books. May I ask you why Palestine should be divided and re-divided between two peoples? Why not just one time division as made already in 1922? That solution is the best on table and won't hurt no Arab and no Jew. If you refuse the offer it means the continuation of the struggle which will lead to the same solution but through a war and more blood.</p> Paul Easton: What's your problem? Can't you read history and reality? If your feelings can't cope with facts don't attack the Jews but rather go to a Jewish psychiatric doctor to re-maintain your brain.
Are you really desperate that Phil doesn't read the comments? Take into account that he might change his political vision.

slaney black: Thank you (-: I think that it is very importand for people as you (and Easton) to study history from History books and not from Falsetinian Hysteria books. May I ask you why Palestine should be divided and re-divided between two peoples? Why not just one time division as made already in 1922? That solution is the best on table and won't hurt no Arab and no Jew. If you refuse the offer it means the continuation of the struggle which will lead to the same solution but through a war and more blood.

]]> By: Paul Easton, Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, Belly Of The Beast http://mondoweiss.net/2008/09/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html/comment-page-1#comment-51197 Paul Easton, Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, Belly Of The Beast Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/09/19/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html#comment-51197 <p>Abe,</p> <p>Actually I went to *two* Jewish psychoanalysts but both were crazy.</p> <p>Your idea that the real Palestinians are Palestinian Jews might make sense. Could be that Pals are more direct descendents of the ancient Jews than the offspring of the ones that left.<br /> </p> Abe,

Actually I went to *two* Jewish psychoanalysts but both were crazy.

Your idea that the real Palestinians are Palestinian Jews might make sense. Could be that Pals are more direct descendents of the ancient Jews than the offspring of the ones that left.

]]> By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2008/09/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html/comment-page-1#comment-51198 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/09/19/most-israelis-agree-a-jewish-state-has-turned-out-to-be-a-bad-idea-for-the-jews.html#comment-51198 <p>"The Arab state of Palestine is Jordan and the Jewish state of Palestine is Israel. The border in between is the Jordan River." -- Abe Bird</p> <p>Oh, so now you're gonna expel 2.6 million Palestinians from the West Bank, too? From a zionist perspective, that's just a cattle drive, ain't it?</p> <p>"In such a solution there will be no Arabs moving from one part of Palestine to the other part."</p> <p>Great, sounds like the pass laws in apartheid-era South Africa. Nobody wants itinerant kaffirs roaming about at will.</p> <p>I really can't quite figure out whether you're serious, or just writing a brutal parody of a zionist Jew who's racist to the frickin' core. Well done in either case -- this is some hardball wackoism. Was you in the Ku Klux Klan with your buddy Robert Byrd, way back when? How many N-words didja lynch?</p> "The Arab state of Palestine is Jordan and the Jewish state of Palestine is Israel. The border in between is the Jordan River." — Abe Bird

Oh, so now you're gonna expel 2.6 million Palestinians from the West Bank, too? From a zionist perspective, that's just a cattle drive, ain't it?

"In such a solution there will be no Arabs moving from one part of Palestine to the other part."

Great, sounds like the pass laws in apartheid-era South Africa. Nobody wants itinerant kaffirs roaming about at will.

I really can't quite figure out whether you're serious, or just writing a brutal parody of a zionist Jew who's racist to the frickin' core. Well done in either case — this is some hardball wackoism. Was you in the Ku Klux Klan with your buddy Robert Byrd, way back when? How many N-words didja lynch?

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