Comments on: Colin Powell Blamed Iraq War Plans on ‘Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs’ http://mondoweiss.net/2008/10/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 01:16:47 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ed http://mondoweiss.net/2008/10/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html/comment-page-1#comment-49125 Ed Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/10/20/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html#comment-49125 <p>I just got back from Oliver Stone’s ‘W.’, wherein Powell is sympathetically portrayed as the reasonable man. But there were absolutely no allusions to the Zionist angle behind the Iraq war in the film, and Jewish Zionist Wolfowitz’s part was bit. Stone basically takes the left-wing canard view of the Iraq war, which is that it was purely oil and Oedipal behind Bush’s invasion imperative. (But the film is still worth seeing as a draft of history, even though Stone as a historian always has to be taken with a grain of salt.) Stone did play up the Christian angle, though. But strangely, in a way that almost made a case that there was a Christian cosmic design behind American events and America's world role. I think Stone is torn between his Jewish father and his Christian mother in his interpretation of history. But his hippy left-liberalism has biased him towards scapegoating Christians and highlighting the evils of conservatism, while simultaneously glorifying liberals as loving and innocent. This showed up in JFK, too, which was totally dismissive of the historical fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was Communist scum. </p> <p>Liberals like Stone seem to cling, religious like, to their own blind faith in the Left, which makes them as delusional and intellectually misguided, confused, and single-minded as right-wingers.</p> I just got back from Oliver Stone’s ‘W.’, wherein Powell is sympathetically portrayed as the reasonable man. But there were absolutely no allusions to the Zionist angle behind the Iraq war in the film, and Jewish Zionist Wolfowitz’s part was bit. Stone basically takes the left-wing canard view of the Iraq war, which is that it was purely oil and Oedipal behind Bush’s invasion imperative. (But the film is still worth seeing as a draft of history, even though Stone as a historian always has to be taken with a grain of salt.) Stone did play up the Christian angle, though. But strangely, in a way that almost made a case that there was a Christian cosmic design behind American events and America's world role. I think Stone is torn between his Jewish father and his Christian mother in his interpretation of history. But his hippy left-liberalism has biased him towards scapegoating Christians and highlighting the evils of conservatism, while simultaneously glorifying liberals as loving and innocent. This showed up in JFK, too, which was totally dismissive of the historical fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was Communist scum.

Liberals like Stone seem to cling, religious like, to their own blind faith in the Left, which makes them as delusional and intellectually misguided, confused, and single-minded as right-wingers.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/10/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html/comment-page-1#comment-49126 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/10/20/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html#comment-49126 <p>Phil,<br /> An unnecessarily provocative post, that likely MIS-represents Powell's perspective.</p> Phil,
An unnecessarily provocative post, that likely MIS-represents Powell's perspective.

]]> By: MM http://mondoweiss.net/2008/10/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html/comment-page-1#comment-49127 MM Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/10/20/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html#comment-49127 <p>[...]</p> <p>I don't know what MM is trying to prove with his mention of JINSA.</p> <p>Posted by: Ralph Seliger | October 02, 2008 at 11:57 PM</p> <p><br /> [...]</p> <p>Ralph, Dick Cheney was on JINSA's Board of Advisors before becoming vice president, where he was joined by Ledeen, Feith, Perle, James Woolsey, and John Bolton. JINSA's stated policy aims included regime change in "rogue" nations such as Iraq.</p> <p>Posted by: MM | October 03, 2008 at 02:48 PM</p> <p><br /> Chirp... Chirp Chirp... Chirp Chirp... Chirp Chirp Chirp...</p> <p>Posted by: crickets | October 03, 2008 at 05:30 PM</p> [...]

I don't know what MM is trying to prove with his mention of JINSA.

Posted by: Ralph Seliger | October 02, 2008 at 11:57 PM

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Ralph, Dick Cheney was on JINSA's Board of Advisors before becoming vice president, where he was joined by Ledeen, Feith, Perle, James Woolsey, and John Bolton. JINSA's stated policy aims included regime change in "rogue" nations such as Iraq.

Posted by: MM | October 03, 2008 at 02:48 PM

Chirp… Chirp Chirp… Chirp Chirp… Chirp Chirp Chirp…

Posted by: crickets | October 03, 2008 at 05:30 PM

]]> By: MM http://mondoweiss.net/2008/10/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html/comment-page-1#comment-49128 MM Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/10/20/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html#comment-49128 <p><i>totally dismissive of the historical fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was Communist scum </i></p> <p>...or the 100,000 in America who are christian capitalist scum, for that matter, Ed.</p> totally dismissive of the historical fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was Communist scum

…or the 100,000 in America who are christian capitalist scum, for that matter, Ed.

]]> By: Todd http://mondoweiss.net/2008/10/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html/comment-page-1#comment-49129 Todd Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/10/20/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html#comment-49129 <p>Would Powell have supported two wars against Iraq and policies that made complete chaos in the region if he were an Arabist? </p> Would Powell have supported two wars against Iraq and policies that made complete chaos in the region if he were an Arabist?

]]> By: anon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/10/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html/comment-page-1#comment-49130 anon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/10/20/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html#comment-49130 <p>Todd raises a good question. Powell decided to support the status quo of power politics, but he couldn't help mumbling about JINSA.</p> <p>Powell is every American Firster who actually has to confront the power of establishment Jewry. </p> <p>They all bow their heads.</p> <p>SOG & Witty Rule!</p> Todd raises a good question. Powell decided to support the status quo of power politics, but he couldn't help mumbling about JINSA.

Powell is every American Firster who actually has to confront the power of establishment Jewry.

They all bow their heads.

SOG & Witty Rule!

]]> By: Todd http://mondoweiss.net/2008/10/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html/comment-page-1#comment-49131 Todd Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/10/20/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html#comment-49131 <p>"Powell is every American Firster who actually has to confront the power of establishment Jewry."</p> <p>Could it be that Powell is a go-along-to-get-along type more than he is an America-firster or Arabist? Knowing that America, the Arab world and his own reputation would be greatly harmed by the aggressive wars and wars based upon lies that he supported, would an Arabist and America-firster go along and ignore his own reservations? If so, he isn't a person who can be trusted, given the loss of life, reputation and fortune caused by the wars. Didn't Powell have a similar problem with Mai Lai?</p> "Powell is every American Firster who actually has to confront the power of establishment Jewry."

Could it be that Powell is a go-along-to-get-along type more than he is an America-firster or Arabist? Knowing that America, the Arab world and his own reputation would be greatly harmed by the aggressive wars and wars based upon lies that he supported, would an Arabist and America-firster go along and ignore his own reservations? If so, he isn't a person who can be trusted, given the loss of life, reputation and fortune caused by the wars. Didn't Powell have a similar problem with Mai Lai?

]]> By: syvanen http://mondoweiss.net/2008/10/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html/comment-page-1#comment-49132 syvanen Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/10/20/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html#comment-49132 <p>Powell is obviously a man without strong principles, he is an organization kind of guy. Once the team makes a decision his personal feelings on the matter are dropped. Sort of like democratic centralism that earned the Communist Party so much scorn in 1939. </p> Powell is obviously a man without strong principles, he is an organization kind of guy. Once the team makes a decision his personal feelings on the matter are dropped. Sort of like democratic centralism that earned the Communist Party so much scorn in 1939.

]]> By: anon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/10/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html/comment-page-1#comment-49133 anon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/10/20/and-much-of-mccains-braintrust-has-ties-to-jinsa-so-this-is-a-pro-jinsa-anti-jinsa-election-remember-when-cool-waspy-hubs.html#comment-49133 <p>Powell never had the guts to come out and speak to the American Public when it counted--just another politician; he's hoping to slowly turn the tide, as is Obama. Some would call him a realist, dealing with the status quo, of which he is a (reluctant) part... Obama or rather the positive reaction to him by whites, gives Powell fresh hope.</p> Powell never had the guts to come out and speak to the American Public when it counted–just another politician; he's hoping to slowly turn the tide, as is Obama. Some would call him a realist, dealing with the status quo, of which he is a (reluctant) part… Obama or rather the positive reaction to him by whites, gives Powell fresh hope.

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