It will be over when the Arab world accepts Israel, when the Jewish people have a permanently safe haven.

You are wishful thinking that the era of persecution of Jews is over, when siting only your personal Western, upper middle-class (largely Jewish) environ.

Even the Hudson Valley is largely Jewish.

Lebanon isn't. Jordan isn't. (Although there are wonderful Jordanians, there are also many that have harassed importers of fruit from Israel – even importers from Israeli Arab-owned companies). Egypt isn't. Iraq isn't. Iran isn't.

And, in all of those locales, if one wears tzitzit, visibly and specifically Jewish (as skin-tone of color is visible), one risks being harrassed, at the least boycotted.

The only places in those cultures that are the exception to that are where the visibly Jewish minority is regarded as human, accepted.

Its odd to say that the holocaust is over because of one's experience where the majority of Jews don't live, and to ignore that there still is persecution and threat where Jews do live.

Burg is a great suggestor of what could be possible.

And, to make it possible, the liberal progressive Zionists (including Israelis like Burg – progressive liberal ZIONIST) have asserted that even though the condition of threat exists, it is humane and practical to still relax and eliminate prohibitions collectively.

That strikes me as a position of COURAGE, not worthy of contempt in the slightest.

To say that the holocaust is over, in the broader sense of the term, is to run with the ball before one has caught it – a FAILING strategy.

and what lesson does Richard Witty draw from it? "The Jewish people (must) have a permanently safe haven". What Richard forgot to mention is that that haven has to be permanently armed to the teeth, since, as Hannah Arendt said: 'the Zionists assume an eternal struggle between the Jewish people and their enemies'.

…therefore the Holocaust will never be over until Jews or their proxies are in authoritarian control wherever a couple of Jews happen to live, or emigrate. Sounds like Neocon rationalizing to me.

Cohen on the Holocaust: “You’re talking about a symbol, the desecration of which deeply hurts the Jewish people"

And Jewish Bolshevism and its murder of millions of Christians is a symbol, the denial of which deeply hurts the Christian people. I will continue brining up the Jewish Bolsheviks as a weapon so long as Jews continue bringing up the Holocaust as a weapon. Others will continue to bring up the Nakba. How does it feel? Maybe each should be turned into a religious tenet for Christianity and Islam respectively, as many Jews have done with the Holocaust and Judaism.

Perhaps we should recognize that a learned traumatic stress disorder (by stressing all the wrongs, never the rights of total Jewish history in the diaspora, sort of like what the African-American black
nationalists do today in the name of religio-liberation-marxism) is at the heart of those who hate Phil Weiss the most.

American working class Gentiles can die to protect American and Israeli Jews, but it doesn't mean a thing; ditto, American taxpayers, paying for Israel because their forefathers didn't look only to saving the Jews when the whole world fought for its life…

Ultimately, the real issue is, would the Jews exist as Jews without an enemy?

Like a bunch of cracker hillbillys feuding, if they didn't have the other clan to unite them in a fight against the other, they would have no reason for being.

No wonder people attack Phil Weiss. They are even more afraid than he is of vanishing.

Better to have a clear enemy.

Who wants to face the engineering of their own identity?

Sartre was only wrong in that he conveniently left out the Jewish
side of being a NAZI.

Phil-I know how you get so excited at anecdotal stories of how some young Jew "outs" himself and announces that he has discovered the value of "anti-Zionism"…well, here is another anectodal story…..a good friend of my daughter (in Israel) had two leftist, anti-religious parents and grew up in Tel Aviv and attended the prestigious "Ironi Aleph" High School where half the graduates avoid army service (the students come from Israel's Secular 'Elite'). She met "settler" Jews from Hebron, became religious, became "right-wing", and sat in military brig for a week because she refused to carry out orders in her military service to kick Jews out of Gush Katif. I am glad that young Jews are seeing the light.

I'm an advocate of law, not of anti-Zionism nor of odd interpretations of Torah that somehow diminish the importance of "keeping my commandments" meaning the TEN authoritative principles.

As an advocate of law, force or mob pressure (Palestinian or neo-Jewish) is NOT the measure of compliance.

If you deny the holocaust or even suggest that, you will go to jail for many years! Maybe you could blog from there? -:)

A post holocaust world sounds like a world with less hate, angst and differenceness.