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	<title>Comments on: Jewish Freedom Fighters Were at John Brown&#8217;s Side!</title>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And Jews were by Jefferson Davis&#039; side. So what? There were plenty of Jews who were slave traders, slave owners, and merchants who benefitted from black labor during slavery, reconstruction and segregation. And?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not were sure that the Jews who were with John Brown viewed their actions as post-holocaust Jews view the same actions. Then again, maybe John Brown&#039;s Jews were just radicals who were thrown out of Europe in the 1840s and are very similar to many modern radicals?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Jews were by Jefferson Davis&#39; side. So what? There were plenty of Jews who were slave traders, slave owners, and merchants who benefitted from black labor during slavery, reconstruction and segregation. And?</p>
<p>I&#39;m not were sure that the Jews who were with John Brown viewed their actions as post-holocaust Jews view the same actions. Then again, maybe John Brown&#39;s Jews were just radicals who were thrown out of Europe in the 1840s and are very similar to many modern radicals?</p>
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		<title>By: cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lincoln wasn&#039;t a Realist, he was a Jacobin imposing mercantilism. People thinking that America ceased to exist in the last few days need to study history; the America founded in 1776-1881 ceased to exist in 1861.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for John Brown, he was a certifiable lunatic, not a freedom fighter. When I was in grade school, the (NYC-published) textbooks were just beginning the process of turning Brown into a heroic &quot;freedom fighter&quot;. Now kids get to have Nat Turner handed to them as a brave, bold &quot;freedom fighter&quot; instead of the savage borderline-retarded baby murderer he actually was.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If your Realist imposed a &quot;solution&quot; on the South (not long before he imposed Sherman&#039;s absolute devastation), then why was his &quot;solution&quot; confined to Southern states only- and not to Union-controlled and border states? Mr. Realist was a consummate political animal, but he was no &quot;freedom fighter&quot;, unless your definition of the term includes the practice of loading up hundreds of thousands of people on barges and floating them to Liberia.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These 1960&#039;s &quot;freedom fighters&quot; were, once again, radicals and communists whose main goal was to disrupt traditional Southern society. The welfare of blacks in the South was a peripheral concern to them at best. Now their generation has grown up to become the Bernanke&#039;s and the Abramoff&#039;s and the Feith&#039;s of our time. Great deal for the rest of us,huh; that tide that&#039;s somehow turned.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lincoln wasn&#39;t a Realist, he was a Jacobin imposing mercantilism. People thinking that America ceased to exist in the last few days need to study history; the America founded in 1776-1881 ceased to exist in 1861.</p>
<p>As for John Brown, he was a certifiable lunatic, not a freedom fighter. When I was in grade school, the (NYC-published) textbooks were just beginning the process of turning Brown into a heroic &quot;freedom fighter&quot;. Now kids get to have Nat Turner handed to them as a brave, bold &quot;freedom fighter&quot; instead of the savage borderline-retarded baby murderer he actually was.</p>
<p>If your Realist imposed a &quot;solution&quot; on the South (not long before he imposed Sherman&#39;s absolute devastation), then why was his &quot;solution&quot; confined to Southern states only- and not to Union-controlled and border states? Mr. Realist was a consummate political animal, but he was no &quot;freedom fighter&quot;, unless your definition of the term includes the practice of loading up hundreds of thousands of people on barges and floating them to Liberia.</p>
<p>These 1960&#39;s &quot;freedom fighters&quot; were, once again, radicals and communists whose main goal was to disrupt traditional Southern society. The welfare of blacks in the South was a peripheral concern to them at best. Now their generation has grown up to become the Bernanke&#39;s and the Abramoff&#39;s and the Feith&#39;s of our time. Great deal for the rest of us,huh; that tide that&#39;s somehow turned.</p>
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		<title>By: higginslads</title>
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		<dc:creator>higginslads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I was not raised as a Zionist, but like all other Israelis I took it for granted that the Jews were a people living in Judea and that they were exiled by the Romans in 70AD.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;But once I started looking at the evidence, I discovered that the kingdoms of David and Solomon were legends.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Similarly with the exile. In fact, you can&#039;t explain Jewishness without exile. But when I started to look for history books describing the events of this exile, I couldn&#039;t find any. Not one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;That was because the Romans did not exile people. In fact, Jews in Palestine were overwhelming peasants and all the evidence suggests they stayed on their lands.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One further question is prompted by Dr. Sand&#039;s account, as he himself notes: if most Jews never left the Holy Land, what became of them?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;It is not taught in Israeli schools but most of the early Zionist leaders, including David Ben Gurion [Israel&#039;s first prime minister], believed that the Palestinians were the descendants of the area&#039;s original Jews. They believed the Jews had later converted to Islam.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=13569&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I was not raised as a Zionist, but like all other Israelis I took it for granted that the Jews were a people living in Judea and that they were exiled by the Romans in 70AD.</p>
<p>&quot;But once I started looking at the evidence, I discovered that the kingdoms of David and Solomon were legends.</p>
<p>&quot;Similarly with the exile. In fact, you can&#39;t explain Jewishness without exile. But when I started to look for history books describing the events of this exile, I couldn&#39;t find any. Not one.</p>
<p>&quot;That was because the Romans did not exile people. In fact, Jews in Palestine were overwhelming peasants and all the evidence suggests they stayed on their lands.&quot; </p>
<p>One further question is prompted by Dr. Sand&#39;s account, as he himself notes: if most Jews never left the Holy Land, what became of them?</p>
<p>&quot;It is not taught in Israeli schools but most of the early Zionist leaders, including David Ben Gurion [Israel&#39;s first prime minister], believed that the Palestinians were the descendants of the area&#39;s original Jews. They believed the Jews had later converted to Islam.&quot;</p>
<p>http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=13569</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m an out-of-the-closet &quot;tribalist&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is anti-ecological to ONLY assimilate. We live in multiple associations and should relish it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is health. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To impose an assimilationism is an oppression.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m an out-of-the-closet &quot;tribalist&quot;.</p>
<p>It is anti-ecological to ONLY assimilate. We live in multiple associations and should relish it.</p>
<p>It is health. </p>
<p>To impose an assimilationism is an oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sounds like a new Prussian Blue tune.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a new Prussian Blue tune.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;To impose an assimilationism is an oppression.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Likewise, to impose Judaization is also oppression.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;To impose an assimilationism is an oppression.&quot;</p>
<p>Likewise, to impose Judaization is also oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Likewise, to impose Judaization is also oppression.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hence, the two-state solution.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Optimizing self-governance, NOT imposing either Islam, Judaism, or &quot;universalism&quot; on ALL when 40% prefer Zionism, 40% prefer Palestinian nationalism, and maybe (gratuitiously) 20% prefer &quot;universalism&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Likewise, to impose Judaization is also oppression.&quot;</p>
<p>Hence, the two-state solution.</p>
<p>Optimizing self-governance, NOT imposing either Islam, Judaism, or &quot;universalism&quot; on ALL when 40% prefer Zionism, 40% prefer Palestinian nationalism, and maybe (gratuitiously) 20% prefer &quot;universalism&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Weis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Weis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Israeli Arabs have a choice of going to either Hebrew or Arabic instructed schools. Nothing is imposed on them.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israeli Arabs have a choice of going to either Hebrew or Arabic instructed schools. Nothing is imposed on them.</p>
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		<title>By: cheryl b</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheryl b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Adam Shapiro is speaking and leading workshops at the Rachel Corrie Foundation PeaceWorks conference next week.  The conference is “Dual Occupations: Sovereignty and Freedom from Iraq to Palestine”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam Shapiro is speaking and leading workshops at the Rachel Corrie Foundation PeaceWorks conference next week.  The conference is “Dual Occupations: Sovereignty and Freedom from Iraq to Palestine”</p>
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		<title>By: americangoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>americangoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;These 1960&#039;s &quot;freedom fighters&quot; were, once again, radicals and communists whose main goal was to disrupt traditional Southern society.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Riiiiiight.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We suther&#039; folk know what to do with our ne-gros!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We keeps them in chains, yes suh!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Forgive me if I don&#039;t shed a tear for the traditional southern society.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;These 1960&#39;s &quot;freedom fighters&quot; were, once again, radicals and communists whose main goal was to disrupt traditional Southern society.&quot;</p>
<p>Riiiiiight.</p>
<p>We suther&#39; folk know what to do with our ne-gros!</p>
<p>We keeps them in chains, yes suh!</p>
<p>Forgive me if I don&#39;t shed a tear for the traditional southern society.</p>
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