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	<title>Comments on: Lawrence Summers to Stephen Walt: &#8216;You Could Have Been National Security Adviser, Now It&#8217;s All Over&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Doppler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doppler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A profile in courage. Very inspiring. Phil, how can the single most important issue in American foreign policy and news media be an issue for the Jews to work out among themselves?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A profile in courage. Very inspiring. Phil, how can the single most important issue in American foreign policy and news media be an issue for the Jews to work out among themselves?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You want them to be cause celebre&#039;s.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its silly. Larry Summers comments about Walt&#039;s shift in status from universally acceptable to not quite, is probably accurate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That is a DIFFERENT beast than what happened. The LRB article was polemic. The verbal defense of it by Mearsheimer was polemic. When a thesis that includes elements of &quot;Jewish conspiracy&quot; includes public verbal and written rants, it FAILS to remain in the mainstream, unless the mainstream selectively condemns freedom of speech for Jews.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Similarly for Finkelstein. HE failed. He didn&#039;t need to adopt even a passively aggressive tone in writing, in editorial selection, and in interview. But, he did.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Finkelstein could get work. It just won&#039;t be in the field that he would like.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want them to be cause celebre&#39;s.</p>
<p>Its silly. Larry Summers comments about Walt&#39;s shift in status from universally acceptable to not quite, is probably accurate.</p>
<p>That is a DIFFERENT beast than what happened. The LRB article was polemic. The verbal defense of it by Mearsheimer was polemic. When a thesis that includes elements of &quot;Jewish conspiracy&quot; includes public verbal and written rants, it FAILS to remain in the mainstream, unless the mainstream selectively condemns freedom of speech for Jews.</p>
<p>Similarly for Finkelstein. HE failed. He didn&#39;t need to adopt even a passively aggressive tone in writing, in editorial selection, and in interview. But, he did.</p>
<p>Finkelstein could get work. It just won&#39;t be in the field that he would like.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We have Walt and Mearsheimer--and then we have Witty and SOG...&lt;br /&gt;
And most all of Congress, the MSM, the influential thinktanks, &lt;br /&gt;
and the two presidential finalists.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And...Phil. and a handful of posters on this blog.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The transparent cabal is in power, whether its on foreign power,&lt;br /&gt;
or the bailout--nothing but a Ponzi scheme there too--check out the comparison of our klepto-government with what the Europeans have done...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Monetary and fiscal policy, or foreign policy--Americans are getting the shaft--and loving it.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have Walt and Mearsheimer&#8211;and then we have Witty and SOG&#8230;<br />
And most all of Congress, the MSM, the influential thinktanks, <br />
and the two presidential finalists.</p>
<p>And&#8230;Phil. and a handful of posters on this blog.</p>
<p>The transparent cabal is in power, whether its on foreign power,<br />
or the bailout&#8211;nothing but a Ponzi scheme there too&#8211;check out the comparison of our klepto-government with what the Europeans have done&#8230;</p>
<p>Monetary and fiscal policy, or foreign policy&#8211;Americans are getting the shaft&#8211;and loving it.</p>
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		<title>By: phil weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Richard:&lt;br /&gt;
Everyone fails. I fail. Norman F. fails. Walt and Mearsheimer fail. Jimmy Carter fails.&lt;br /&gt;
We have all made a horrible mistake in our rhetoric or our decorum or our manner of speaking. So it is legitimate that we are shunned. We have to work on our manners. &lt;br /&gt;
I just dont understand this line of argument. So WHAT if it is polemical, which it may or may not be. Free speech includes polemics. &lt;br /&gt;
You say Polemical as if that&#039;s screaming fire in a crowded theater. And that is simply untrue. Phil &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard:<br />
Everyone fails. I fail. Norman F. fails. Walt and Mearsheimer fail. Jimmy Carter fails.<br />
We have all made a horrible mistake in our rhetoric or our decorum or our manner of speaking. So it is legitimate that we are shunned. We have to work on our manners. <br />
I just dont understand this line of argument. So WHAT if it is polemical, which it may or may not be. Free speech includes polemics. <br />
You say Polemical as if that&#39;s screaming fire in a crowded theater. And that is simply untrue. Phil </p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear anon: &lt;br /&gt;
can you flesh out for me the differences in approcach between the Euro Central Bank etc and what ex Golden Sachs rep Paulsen doled out for Wall Street?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear anon: <br />
can you flesh out for me the differences in approcach between the Euro Central Bank etc and what ex Golden Sachs rep Paulsen doled out for Wall Street?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;When a thesis that includes elements of &quot;Jewish conspiracy&quot; includes public verbal and written rants&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is &quot;FIRE&quot; in a movie theatre.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Your dismissal of criticism of him or yourself as &quot;manners&quot; is a bit odd.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its an undisciplined approach, played over open fumes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is neither Vietnam nor South Africa.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;When a thesis that includes elements of &quot;Jewish conspiracy&quot; includes public verbal and written rants&quot;</p>
<p>This is &quot;FIRE&quot; in a movie theatre.</p>
<p>Your dismissal of criticism of him or yourself as &quot;manners&quot; is a bit odd.</p>
<p>Its an undisciplined approach, played over open fumes.</p>
<p>This is neither Vietnam nor South Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As &lt;a href=&quot;http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/07/fighting-hegemonic-blocking-on-campus.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a major external source of tension&lt;/a&gt; that made Summers&#039; continued tenure as Harvard President impossible, I have to note that Summers was so close to Ruth Wisse and friends at the time Walt &amp; Mearsheimer published their thesis that my mind is boggled by the idea that he was honestly supportive of their efforts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In any case, the economy and finance industry are in such turmoil that I doubt anything is sure. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As <a href="http://eaazi.blogspot.com/2007/07/fighting-hegemonic-blocking-on-campus.html" rel="nofollow">a major external source of tension</a> that made Summers&#39; continued tenure as Harvard President impossible, I have to note that Summers was so close to Ruth Wisse and friends at the time Walt &amp; Mearsheimer published their thesis that my mind is boggled by the idea that he was honestly supportive of their efforts.</p>
<p>In any case, the economy and finance industry are in such turmoil that I doubt anything is sure. </p>
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		<title>By: peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the problem i have found is that non-jews are so conditioned to avoid anti-semitism that they shun any hint of the truth about aipac and israel. the topic is treated as if you are suggesting hitler was a good and great man and history got it wrong. it&#039;s deep,  and it&#039;s automatic.  that is why i say jews have to get out in front.  take the lead.  unwind this thing that is killing us. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem i have found is that non-jews are so conditioned to avoid anti-semitism that they shun any hint of the truth about aipac and israel. the topic is treated as if you are suggesting hitler was a good and great man and history got it wrong. it&#39;s deep,  and it&#39;s automatic.  that is why i say jews have to get out in front.  take the lead.  unwind this thing that is killing us. </p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John, please go to Counterpunch website to see what the difference is as  between the USA government&#039;s policy is, as compared with the European policy.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, please go to Counterpunch website to see what the difference is as  between the USA government&#39;s policy is, as compared with the European policy.</p>
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		<title>By: dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Richard Witty complains about polemics practiced by WM. Phil retorts that polemics is kind of what one does when making an argument - any argument - unless one is blessed (cursed?) with perfection of manners (if I understand correctly). This presupposes that the only anti-dote to the all-too-human tendency to slide through polemical extortions is to develop impeccable manners. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Putting aside for a second Phil&#039;s retort, this may be a good place to remind Witty et al that the Jewish bible (Tanach) is the ultimate example of polemics taken to the max. After all, is not polemics the very essence of the Torah? God, it seems, was quite given to polemics, no doubt in last-ditch attempts to persuade his wayward, contrary flock of the desirability of adhering to the right path (this path including - though not limited to - devotion to steadfast worship of the self-same God). As proof to the desirability of following-in-the-path God offers the past: a-la things were good when you were good - and vice versa.... In other words, anecdotal evidence, supported by much argumentation. Not unlike any book ever written in any of the &#039;softer&#039; sciences (including the softest of them all, economics..)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Clearly perfection of manners (cf if you have nothing good to say, be quiet)  was not one of the great virtues the Jews of old were instructed in. neither did God appear too successful in getting his people to follow the path of righteousness for any length of time, despite offering some of the best divinely inspired polemics of all time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From this we learn that: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1. Polemics may be necessary if rarely sufficient in convincing the stubborn.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2. Jews had a longer experience in polemics than most - no wonder they are sensitized to the practice (and just what was the talmud exactly if not a polemic epic?). So they became quite adept at both diagnosing it and repudiating it in others while  continuing to practice such themselves - with great relish (and here I&#039;d like to offer Dershowitcz as exhibit #1)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3. All argumentation/instruction/persuasion involves polemics (remember your elementary school teachers?) so singling out W&amp;M  for dire accusations of engaging in this much maligned practice is a touch disingenuous. In fact the argument that polemics was part of the their work is, by itself, polemical.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4. If great manners alone were sufficient - and necessary - to cure the disease of polemics (assuming that&#039;s what it is, the jury still being out) all we&#039;d have to look forward to is for the righteous to become as dull as the English &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And yes, I know - this entire comment is pure polemics. Enjoy...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Witty complains about polemics practiced by WM. Phil retorts that polemics is kind of what one does when making an argument &#8211; any argument &#8211; unless one is blessed (cursed?) with perfection of manners (if I understand correctly). This presupposes that the only anti-dote to the all-too-human tendency to slide through polemical extortions is to develop impeccable manners. </p>
<p>Putting aside for a second Phil&#39;s retort, this may be a good place to remind Witty et al that the Jewish bible (Tanach) is the ultimate example of polemics taken to the max. After all, is not polemics the very essence of the Torah? God, it seems, was quite given to polemics, no doubt in last-ditch attempts to persuade his wayward, contrary flock of the desirability of adhering to the right path (this path including &#8211; though not limited to &#8211; devotion to steadfast worship of the self-same God). As proof to the desirability of following-in-the-path God offers the past: a-la things were good when you were good &#8211; and vice versa&#8230;. In other words, anecdotal evidence, supported by much argumentation. Not unlike any book ever written in any of the &#39;softer&#39; sciences (including the softest of them all, economics..)</p>
<p>Clearly perfection of manners (cf if you have nothing good to say, be quiet)  was not one of the great virtues the Jews of old were instructed in. neither did God appear too successful in getting his people to follow the path of righteousness for any length of time, despite offering some of the best divinely inspired polemics of all time.</p>
<p>From this we learn that: </p>
<p>1. Polemics may be necessary if rarely sufficient in convincing the stubborn.</p>
<p>2. Jews had a longer experience in polemics than most &#8211; no wonder they are sensitized to the practice (and just what was the talmud exactly if not a polemic epic?). So they became quite adept at both diagnosing it and repudiating it in others while  continuing to practice such themselves &#8211; with great relish (and here I&#39;d like to offer Dershowitcz as exhibit #1)</p>
<p>3. All argumentation/instruction/persuasion involves polemics (remember your elementary school teachers?) so singling out W&amp;M  for dire accusations of engaging in this much maligned practice is a touch disingenuous. In fact the argument that polemics was part of the their work is, by itself, polemical.</p>
<p>4. If great manners alone were sufficient &#8211; and necessary &#8211; to cure the disease of polemics (assuming that&#39;s what it is, the jury still being out) all we&#39;d have to look forward to is for the righteous to become as dull as the English </p>
<p>And yes, I know &#8211; this entire comment is pure polemics. Enjoy&#8230;</p>
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