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	<title>Comments on: Lilienthal: &#8216;Divide the Love that People Give to Their Native Land and It Will Lead to Disaster&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;More from Lilienthal&#039;s article:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;My one and only homeland is America. I am proud of my belief in the age-old Judaic concept of one God in Heaven and one Humanity here below. But my faith does not pull me into a feeling of narrowly tribal kinship with all others who worship God in this way. Whenever I read of Americans singing the Hatikvah, Israel&#039;s national anthem, or see youth groups raising Israel&#039;s flag beside the Stars and Stripes. I am outraged. For Israel&#039;s flag and anthem are symbols of a foreign state; ,they are not mine.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Anyone who tells me those foreign Jews are exclusively my people that I should be closer to them than to Bob McCormick, the kid on the block with whom I used to play ball: or to Nick Galbraith, who roomed next to me at Cornell; or Dave Du Vivier with whom I studied in law school—that man is talking dangerous nonsense. I have also learned, Mother, that when something. goes wrong in my relations with non-Jews. I avoid the habit of thinking that it happened just because I am a Jew. Such self-pity is comforting, but it is usually wrong and therefore dangerous.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Pretty commonsensical stuff, at least to me. What is shocking is this reminder of how it was once possible to have an adult discussion of Jewishness -- and in the Reader&#039;s Digest, no less.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More from Lilienthal&#39;s article:</p>
<p><i>My one and only homeland is America. I am proud of my belief in the age-old Judaic concept of one God in Heaven and one Humanity here below. But my faith does not pull me into a feeling of narrowly tribal kinship with all others who worship God in this way. Whenever I read of Americans singing the Hatikvah, Israel&#39;s national anthem, or see youth groups raising Israel&#39;s flag beside the Stars and Stripes. I am outraged. For Israel&#39;s flag and anthem are symbols of a foreign state; ,they are not mine.</i></p>
<p><i>&#8230;</i></p>
<p><i>Anyone who tells me those foreign Jews are exclusively my people that I should be closer to them than to Bob McCormick, the kid on the block with whom I used to play ball: or to Nick Galbraith, who roomed next to me at Cornell; or Dave Du Vivier with whom I studied in law school—that man is talking dangerous nonsense. I have also learned, Mother, that when something. goes wrong in my relations with non-Jews. I avoid the habit of thinking that it happened just because I am a Jew. Such self-pity is comforting, but it is usually wrong and therefore dangerous.</i></p>
<p>Pretty commonsensical stuff, at least to me. What is shocking is this reminder of how it was once possible to have an adult discussion of Jewishness &#8212; and in the Reader&#39;s Digest, no less.</p>
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		<title>By: David Habakkuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Habakkuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;His view is very close to that of those leading members of the British Jewish community who were passioned opposed to the Balfour Declaration.  As Geoffrey Wheatcroft recalled some time back in the NYT:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&#039;As Chaim Weizmann and his colleagues were fighting to have the Balfour Declaration adopted, they were fiercely opposed by other Jews. In London, the only Jew in the Cabinet, Edwin Montagu, fought the Declaration to the end, bitterly asking his colleagues why they wanted to send him off to an &#039;&#039;Oriental ghetto.&#039;&#039; And two leading figures of English Jewry wrote to The Times of London deploring &#039;&#039;the establishment of a Jewish nationality in Palestine,&#039;&#039; which &#039;&#039;must have the effect throughout the world of stamping the Jews as strangers in their native lands, and of undermining their hard won position as citizens and nationals of those lands.&#039;&#039;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(See http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D05E4DF1F39F937A2575AC0A961958260)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His view is very close to that of those leading members of the British Jewish community who were passioned opposed to the Balfour Declaration.  As Geoffrey Wheatcroft recalled some time back in the NYT:</p>
<p>&#39;As Chaim Weizmann and his colleagues were fighting to have the Balfour Declaration adopted, they were fiercely opposed by other Jews. In London, the only Jew in the Cabinet, Edwin Montagu, fought the Declaration to the end, bitterly asking his colleagues why they wanted to send him off to an &#39;&#39;Oriental ghetto.&#39;&#39; And two leading figures of English Jewry wrote to The Times of London deploring &#39;&#39;the establishment of a Jewish nationality in Palestine,&#39;&#39; which &#39;&#39;must have the effect throughout the world of stamping the Jews as strangers in their native lands, and of undermining their hard won position as citizens and nationals of those lands.&#39;&#39;</p>
<p>(See <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D05E4DF1F39F937A2575AC0A961958260)<br">link to query.nytimes.com</a><br /> /></p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;This claim of unique Jewish specialness is&lt;br /&gt;
preposterous and offensive. If the Irish, the&lt;br /&gt;
Chinese, the Arabs, the Catholics, the Buddhists,&lt;br /&gt;
or any other ethnic or religious group made such a&lt;br /&gt;
ridiculous universal claim about themselves, we&lt;br /&gt;
would likely find it both disgusting and&lt;br /&gt;
laughable. Foxman makes this absurd statement, but&lt;br /&gt;
if we dare to say it is absurd, immediately he&lt;br /&gt;
would counter that we are anti-Semitic to say so.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;--Lilienthal in 2002&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;This claim of unique Jewish specialness is<br />
preposterous and offensive. If the Irish, the<br />
Chinese, the Arabs, the Catholics, the Buddhists,<br />
or any other ethnic or religious group made such a<br />
ridiculous universal claim about themselves, we<br />
would likely find it both disgusting and<br />
laughable. Foxman makes this absurd statement, but<br />
if we dare to say it is absurd, immediately he<br />
would counter that we are anti-Semitic to say so.&quot;</p>
<p>&#8211;Lilienthal in 2002</p>
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		<title>By: the Sword of Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Sword of Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hopefully these things come in &quot;3&quot;s and if say Finkelstein and Chomsky would just  drop dead now it would really be a great.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully these things come in &quot;3&quot;s and if say Finkelstein and Chomsky would just  drop dead now it would really be a great.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hopefully, luck will have it in the end for those who view the various MOTs as apes. For starters, how about Lieberman and McCain dying of strokes today?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully, luck will have it in the end for those who view the various MOTs as apes. For starters, how about Lieberman and McCain dying of strokes today?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Be good also if all those who go to racist summer camps fall off a cliff.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be good also if all those who go to racist summer camps fall off a cliff.</p>
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		<title>By: the Sword of Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Sword of Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Like those little Arab tykes who go to the Hamas camps and learn to kills Jews, right?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like those little Arab tykes who go to the Hamas camps and learn to kills Jews, right?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why no, those kids are more like the little ones who were part of Geronimo&#039;s band. If not, why not?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why no, those kids are more like the little ones who were part of Geronimo&#39;s band. If not, why not?</p>
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