One of the reasons I link Joachim Martillo, who can be wild, is that he has been spot-on about political events like the distribution of the "Obsession" DVD as a covert tool of the One-Jerusalem crowd. But speaking of the Obsession DVD, here's a good letter to the Chronicle of Higher Education, linked by the amazing Angry Arab:
To the Editor:
I was delighted to receive my copy of *Obsession*: (the word complete with scary crescents and guns!) *Radical Islam's War Against the West*. I look forward to the next installments: *Obsession: Jewish War Against the Gentiles by Control of the Banking System* and *Obsession: The Negro's Wars on White Women*. It is disappointing to see* The Chronicle* servilely joining in this kind of fear-mongering and hate-making. …
A. Kevin Reinhart
Department of Religion
Dartmouth College
Note the line: "I look forward to the next installments: *Obsession: Jewish War Against the Gentiles by Control of the Banking System*" Now look at this paragraph from Martillo's blog re the financial crisis:
So: Martillo finds "evidence" of a Zionist conspiracy behind the credit crunch. What evidence? He just insinuates. I know this is his theory about Zionists. And yes I think Zionists are all over the Establishment and that Jihadi-Jews have a foothold in the U.S., and this blog is concerned with the unspoken role of ethnicity in our public life. But Martillo's view smells like antisemitism to me.
David Bloom notes: "The credit crunch is not benefitting settlements czar Lev Leviev, whose fortunes are tanking." And yes, let's be clear, Ralph Seliger has been going after me for endorsing Martillo. In this instance, he's right.
Finally.
Now you've done it Phil.
Bankers and financiers do what what they do to benefit themselves as individuals or as industries. Bankers and financiers will also exploit anyone to increase their wealth. Bankers and financiers do not do what they do to benefit a particular race, religion or nationality. Nor do bankers restrict themselves to whom they will victimize; bankers want everyone to be in thrall. Bankers and financiers are motivated by greeed, not ideology.
Have you ever looked into the background of Marc Rich, the 'fugitive financier' who was pardoned by Bubba Clinton? The man had extensive ties to Israeli intelligence. Take a look at the secrecy that surrounded LTCM's investments in the book "When Genius Failed".
We know that intelligence agencies in France and Israel are actively involved in corporate espionage. Is it that farfetched to believe they have never meddled in the markets? Whatever became of all those people who opened positions on put options on the airlines before 9/11?
Who would expect market manipulators to write a manifesto? I don't know that Martillo is right, but how is his assertion anti-Semitic if Phil's own belief that "Jihadi Jews" manipulate the media or pull strings in government isn't? Then again, who cares if it is? Phil is wrong about many things, and is easily a bigot in many ways. What's the diference? At least Martillo tries to explain his thoughts.
I think this is a great post. I think Joachim Martillo is wild and doesn't think through his posts in the least.
I will say that there are a lot of people making money right now and a lot loosing their shirts. There are Jews on both sides of this equation. In fact the layoffs in the NY financial industry will likely lead to lower donations to pro-Israel groups in the coming year. Also, NYC and the wealthy elite are very much being hit by the implosion of the hedge funds.
This isn't a Zionist conspiracy at all.
The TelAviv market has gone very badly recently.
Read up on the origins in Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac. It has to do with trying to stimulate the economy by increasing house ownership among minorities which in turn got out of control via predatory loans and then the securitization of what was otherwise crap.
You just don't get it Todd. If an ethnopoly is run by WASP's its okay to say so. The same goes for ethnopolies run by Italians or Sicilians, or even by whites. When an ethnopoly emerges that is run by a protected group that however is ipso facto evidence of an efficient meritocracy.
It's also perfectly acceptable to throw sand in people's eyes by lying to deceive people about what is actually a minority run ethnopoly. It's remarkable that to this day Connie Bruck, Michael Lewis and sociology textbooks speak of discrimination against Jews in the financial industry. Go tell that to the founders of Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, Derxel-Burnaham Lambert or to the Schiff, Warburg, and Rothschild families.
Peeps are generally ignorant of finance. Phil is right, accusations of secretive banking conspiracies are the root of much true anti-semitism. All investors, bankers, and just plain human beings want to maximize their profits. It isn't just a Jewish thing, it's a all of us but this sort of stuff strikes a visceral fear amongst Jews.
There shouldn't be subjects off the table just because people are Jews. If a Jew acts like a caricature from Der Sturmer, should people not mention his behavior for fear of stoking anti-semitism? Such an attitude only encourages conspiratorial thinking.
If Max Weber could write about the Protestant Work Ethic, so should we all be able to write about Jews and capitalism. The last such book was 'Jews and Modern Capitalism'… written in 1911, but still interesting. Nearly 100 years later, its time for another dispassionate account.
here's a PDF of 'Jews and Modern Capitalism': link to socserv.mcmaster.ca
What proportion to their percentage of the USA population as a whole of Wall Street is Jewish? What proportion of the SEC, the Federal Reserve? True, Wall Streeters just want to make money for themselves, and Congress gave the green light to turn credit standards into ash in the interests of saving their own high office by buying minority votes under the guise of "affordable housing"– two of them were Shermer and Frank….If it was not average Americans holding the bag, but rather, Israelis, would the greedy and political portion of Americans grabbing while grabbing was good at the expense of mostly Gentiles be so grabby with other people's money?
Just asking.
Why is it anti-semitic for Martillo to state that “I find evidence of conscious efforts of the Zionist oligarchy and intelligentsia to increase their power, status, and wealthy through a pattern of increasing market manipulations…”? Because he doesn’t back it up? But he does, if you read his other writings.
Furthermore, why is it anti-semitic to believe that a group of Jewish Zionists could collaborate in an effort to manipulate the markets, but not anti-semitic to believe that a group of Jewish Zionists could collaborate to lie America into the Iraq war, or conspire to dehumanize the Palestinians in American discourse for Zionist purposes over the course of the last 40 years?
In my opinion, righteous factions of organized Jewry need to start confronting and condemning chicanerous factions of organized Jewry and assailing them as usurious frauds and shysters hiding behind the Jewish religion to advance other agendas. It doesn’t matter if the righteous only comprise 5 percent (or whatever) of the entirety of organized Jewry. Anyone who self-identifies as a Jew, which is an act of free-will, has a responsibility to hold organized Jewry accountable for the thrust of its enterprises, and condemn it for tainting Judaism when that thrust is negative, parasitic and chicaneries. (This is what Weiss and Martillo are doing.) To NOT do so is de facto evidence that organized Judaism itself is negative, parasitic and chicanerous by nature — to almost concede the point. And if that point is conceded, it means that the anti-semites have been right all along on that issue.
I believe the apex of the Jewish Neoconservative movement has indeed concluded that Judaism is evil, and embraced that role. “Liberal” Jews like Witty and Seliger who dismiss the Jewish component to evil acts perpetrated by Zionists and Neocons are ignoring and denying the cancer, instead of confronting and treating it, and have thus become part of the problem in the same way, for example, that regular Russians or Germans who ignored and dismissed the threat the Bolshevik and Nazi menaces posed to their respective countries and to the world became part of the problem. Their guilt may not be as severe, but it is real. And in the case of self-identifying Jews in denial, their culpability is even higher as they have stated their alliegience to the thrust of organized Jewry, but do not challenge that thrust when it has become clearly negative and destructive.
If Americans do not get a clue from PNAC impetus and the psychology of Wall Street, nothing will dent their goy heads. Who is wedged between the independently motivated pincer movement that has its hold on average Americans as clear as an ice grabber on a block of ice in 1920. It's not a conspiracy. It is a lack of empathy and sympathy for average white Americans coupled with self-aggrandizement.
The dogs emerge.
Phil,
You coalesced this with your "how many Jewish names?" recitation. (You do get that, don't you?)
We can live with this, if this is where it stays. These are just fools here, having some "fun".
Do you really want to be associated with any of this Phil? You are now. I know you like stretching to the border of taboo.
But, there are reasons that there are taboos. There really are those that lose their sense of boundaries.
80% of subprime mortgages were divided pretty equally between blacks and Mexicans (including illegals). The tons of money made by Freddie and Fannie elite staff and Wall St went to most disproportionately, guess who? Sheeple, just bail them out–that's your job because you were born guilty.
Americans have a leader but their brains are filled with propaganda.
Imagine a USA with Ron PAUL and Dennis K as running mates.
Witty: "There really are those that lose their sense of boundaries."
Yes, Zionists certainly have. They refuse to draw the borders of Israel so that they can continue to expand them.
Witty: "Do you really want to be associated with any of this Phil? You are now."
And you, Witty, are associated with Zionism. In terms of whose trending where, you're on the wrong side of history.
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Witty suffers from a kind of diaspora Zionist conceit that also found expression in the colonialist mentality — namely, that his tribe is busy going about the serious business of human evolution, civilizational existence and civilized living, whereas everyone else (natives, goyim, Palis) are just "having some fun." And so, he believes, are critics of Zionism — just having some fun at the Jew's expense. Same with all those Palestinian rock throwers.
But it is insular, entitled, rhetorically coddled diaspora Zionists like Witty who are living in Disneyland, and have been for decades. And whether they know it or not, their free ride is coming to an end.
Is Richard comparing us to dogs now? Imagine his howls if his group were compared to ticks, leaches or fleas.
The 50s market manipulation that I see took place in the movie industry and specifically in the investment market associated with film.
The Israeli government was funding and actively attempting to pick winners. Exodus is probably the most egregious example, but there were several other firms funded in various ways to soften up the American public to accept Zionism.
Cannon and Golan-Globus were involved.
Writing Zionist film seems to have been the escape mechanism for Dalton Trumbo to get off the anti-communist blacklist.
At a later time period, I have found some evidence of manipulation of French film distribution to prevent films critical of Zionism from reaching the public (and becoming profitable). Haim Saban may have been involved, and there is fairly clear evidence that he was involved in manipulation of the German media market during the early 2000s. He has publicly expressed interest in acquiring Arabic media properties so that he could craft the message.
Circa 1990 Murdoch seems to have received a tremendous amount of investor support which could not be justified on the basis of his track record or his then current balance sheet. (His previously cautious politics also became stridently pro-Israel and the pattern of hiring indicated a lot of responsiveness to his investors.)
These markets were manipulated less with the intent of profiteering than for controlling opinion — but the effect of creating large Zionist media monopolies has provided good opportunities for profiteering, and I believe I could demonstrate it.
I believe that I can demonstrate Zionist market manipulation in the homeland security market since the 1980s and in IPOs during the 90s. There are simply too many people close to the Israeli government or to Zionist economic-political oligarchs, who were blessed by the market during this time period.
The situation is CDOs and ABS is more complex, but I see it there as well.
You are really fishing, Martillo.
Anon asks "What proportion to their percentage of the USA population as a whole of Wall Street is Jewish? What proportion …Just asking"
What proportion of theoretical physicists is Jewish? What proportion of medical school faculty? What proportion of symphony orchestra players? Just asking.
Just a note on Lev Leviev, as repugnant as the politics of Lev Leviev is, his inclination is Lubavitcher, i.e. anti-goyish in general, and not Zionist per se. (It would be worthwhile to check whether his settlements correspond to Lubavitcher or Ne'emanei Eretz Yisrael [נאמני ארץ ישראל] political goals.)
He himself has become closer to Putin while the Jabotinskian Zionists have been going on the verbal warpath against Russia.
Obviously, someone in the diamond business is going to have problems when people begin to worry about their disposable income, but I have not heard that he is a big investor in CDOs, ABS or other complex financial instruments — although it is possible that he is having a problem with commercial paper like many other business right now.
As much as I would wish for Leviev to sink financially, I don't see it happening any time soon.
Obviously, I can fine grain intracommunal Jewish politics and economics almost to the single-molecule level, but I am a fairly competent statistician and accountant, and there is a pattern across too many markets over too long a period for me to give the benefit of the doubt to statistical fluctuations.
yeah, fishing in teeming waters.
Yes, Joachim Martillo seems heavily hooked on the "lore". That's a pity. Hard to understand why anyone would like to exculpate the Nazis, but he seems to be attracted to that task. Occasionally he reads quite interesting people, but always twists their expertise into the same preconceived plot strands. What drives him? I don't understand.
I wonder what percentage of Nobel Prize winners are Jewish? How dare they improve our lives with their "science", "medicine", "economics", and "literature".
I wasn't aware you are around.
I still don't understand what drives you.
RE: "What proportion of theoretical physicists is Jewish? What proportion of medical school faculty? What proportion of symphony orchestra players? Just asking."
This a response to my question, What proportion of Wall Street i s Jewish compared to their part of the whole USA population. My original point was if average Americans were average Israelis, would Wall Street have so scammed Israel. There are talmudic principles at work in the bankruptcy of the USA.
"What proportion of theoretical physicists is Jewish? What proportion of medical school faculty? What proportion of symphony orchestra players?…
"I wonder what percentage of Nobel Prize winners are Jewish?
It seems that it's acceptable to discuss Jewish prominence in the arts and sciences but to discuss Jewish prominence in banking and finance isn't acceptable.
I notice that the Federal Reserve Board of Governors finally took Elizabeth Duke on as the token goy when Fred Mishkin had to leave.
Phil, you like some others shill 'Martillo's (implant name as required) Post on Zionists Manipulating Markets for 50 Years Is Antisemitic' – Here's the challenge, debate Martillo. Prove his statement wrong, if you cannot then withdraw your hyperbole.
Are we supposed to think it's just simple coincidence that Bernanke and Greenspan are Jews?
Are we supposed to be reassured that Paulson, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, isn't a Jew?
Wolfowitz jumping around between the US State Dept. and the IMF, coincidence? Chertoff, Mukasey, Negroponte, and who knows who else…
No connection. No pattern, nothing but that ancient irrational substanceless prejudice that says Jews will undermine with self-interest any state they prosper in – it's all irrational bigotry, nothing more.
The problem I have personally is no one defends this with reason and fact, there's only the hate sites and all that racist spew crashing against a stone wall of silence and disdain that wants it disappeared unexamined, unanswered.
So who will tell us?
Richard Witty with his calm assurances?
I'd listen more closely Richard but all you do is deny, and you never back up your assertions, and you do so in defense of things like Occupied Palestine that are provably morally indefensible.
I crawled through 4 years of vicious calumny and nasty behind the scenes response, some hurtful some damaging and all frightening in intensity, to my heartfelt and intellectually honest questions and eventual conclusions – that the Iraq invasion and occupation was greatly influenced by Jewish/Israeli interests – and never once saw that refuted competently and honestly and factually anywhere.
And eventually had it confirmed, not least here.
Nothing ever came from the other side but over-confident craziness and manipulative word games.
Just disdain, sarcasm, bitterness, and baseless assertions.
You, and people like you, Richard, have allowed the heat of anti-Semitism to burn, to become fire, by your arrogance and by your cowardice.
On a related subject,not having seen pro or con comment on Atzmon hereabouts, I posted brief praise of him several months ago, stipulating whether one regarded him as anti or not ,which praise was immediately removed.
Phil, you like some others shill 'Martillo's (implant name as required) Post on Zionists Manipulating Markets for 50 Years Is Antisemitic' – Here's the challenge, debate Martillo. Prove his statement wrong, if you cannot then withdraw your hyperbole.
Haim Saban may have been involved, and there is fairly clear evidence that he was involved in manipulation of the German media market during the early 2000s.
this is really vague, Joachim, as usual. Saban's involvement in the German media market was nothing but a clever deal. Yes he and his partners made a fortune by buying the KirchMedia empire when it went down.
I think they made about 2,5 to 3 times the money they invested in about 2 years. Not bad, admittedly. But what function has this detail in your tale? He sold it after two years, so what strange media control should that be?
I no longer fully remember the details of the German media deal, but I recall that it seemed rather fishy rather like the Zell Chicago Tribune deal or the Murdoch-Purcell-Boston Herald deal.
At some point this sort of thing becomes statistically improbable, and we have to start looking at the probabilities of corrupt bargains.
And it was interesting that as Saban acquired German media outlets, the programming changed to favor Merkel — an observation that I saw in The Economist — with a high probability of material effect on the German election.
As for German Nazi evil, I am not trying to absolve it. I am trying to understand it, and the best comparison model is Zionist (i.e., ethnic Ashkenazi Nazi) evil — I realized this when I read The Nazi Conscience by Claudia Koonz and recognized in the State of Israel every phenomenon she described in Nazi Germany.
We have to find a way to talk about their similarity rationally. I think it means finding a category of atrociously or heinously evil where both ideologies fit.
I think it will be telling not so much whose fortunes suffered in the meltdown but who stands in line to be part of the 700+ billion gravytrain. Individuals whose corporations went bust got their money up front and were able to grease quite a few skids during the glory days before their collapse.
The bailout is being organized by the same people responsible for the problem in the first place. Oversight is next to nonexistent in addition to the stipulations that no second-guessing, lawsuits, or any other form of control is allowed. The snakeoil salesmen are uniquely suited to provide the "cure" for that which they caused. The promise of "give us buckets of money or the economy tanks" turns out to be as worthless as the rest of their derivatives as the economy/market is tanking anyway. This is an economic 9/11 with just as great a danger of misdirection and the ability to direct funds to entities wishing to do us harm from the start. Russia was pretty much cleaned out by the oligarchs. What makes us immune to such chicanery?
I've seen too many commentators on the Middle East dismissed for merely being Arab/Muslim so now I want to know where the loyalties of the financial captains of commerce lie when those same wise men tell me what the solution is. I won't assume any particular agenda unless I'm told to steer clear of any connections or common threads of these financial power brokers out of hand.
One could argue that the financial collapse is an act of political terrorism perpetrated by the leading Wall Street financiers in order to scare the American public into a specific course of political action.
Shouldn't a lot of the finance community (as well as Greenspan, Bernanke, Paulson and Bush) be indictable for either carrying out or providing material support to economic terrorism?
We should all thank Bush and the Republics for putting these wonderful anti-terrorism laws in place.
And it was interesting that as Saban acquired German media outlets, the programming changed to favor Merkel — an observation that I saw in The Economist — with a high probability of material effect on the German election.
I don't think that was a big factor. I don't know the exact quotas. But that weren't the real big channels quotas wise. I think even Murdoch's influence was bigger. … Schroeder was neo-liberal in the tracks of Tony Blair. If the social democrats make worse laws than the conservatives, well people notice after a while.
I work on Wall Street. Jews are disproportionately represented there, but they are still quite a minority. Just as many Italians, Wasps, and Irish. Increasing number of Indians, Asians, and Arabs.
I've got to liking Phil's blog and respect his positions on Israel, which seem sensible to me. I am also a fan of Martillo's. How in heaven's name does any ball get advanced by calling out Martillo as "antisemitic?" That is a hateful, dishonest epithet however used. And what the hell is wrong with opposing what one sense's is "Jewish practice?" Some commentator cited the Rothschilds. Yes. They have led the attack on Western civ (aka Christian civ) via usury. That drill is now coming to its payout. GRANTED, most usurers are goys, but where did the template come from? I don't know the way out of this mess, but it's not going to come from the Jewish ethnopoly. Tom White
LeaNder is clearly one of the millions of Germans who have been socialized into despising the German people by the post-war occupiers (both American and Soviet) and their left-statist German-collaborators, through the utilization of left-liberal socialization tactics. It’s a kind of Stockholm or Patti Hearst syndrome, but on a mass scale, and involves a process wherein all criticism of organized Jewry, in any manifestation, is likened by the government to evil Nazism, and quickly outlawed, censored and suppressed with the rationale that, if allowed, it is the beginnings of a slide down the slippery slope to another Holocaust. (Americans have undergone a similar, but less extreme, process of socialization by the Neocons, by the left-liberal-Zionist regime in Washington, and by media and Hollywood.)
Of course the entire process ignores the pre-WWII context of both Jewish Bolshevism and its mass murders, and of the worldwide declaration of war by organized Jewry against Germany, the absence of which would have negated the possibility of a holocaust.
For the brainwashed LeaNder type, the idea that organized Jewry can and does conspire against gentile interests is to be dismissed out of hand, and those positing such theories must be suffering from a psychological malady, and should be probed, analyzed and indoctrinated out of their delusional beliefs. Hence, she wonders of Martillo, “I still don't understand what drives you.”
We know what drives you, LeaNder: a false consciousness. And what limits you is your Zio-leftist-implanted blinders.
Chris Moore posting more of his racist crap. Why do you not use your actual name Chris, 'er Ed?
"Are we supposed to think it's just simple coincidence that Bernanke and Greenspan are Jews? Are we supposed to be reassured that Paulson, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, isn't a Jew?"
This is what happens to a country that sells its soul to mammon and markets, an atheistic process not unlike that of Communist dialectical materialism: even gentile "leaders" adopt the usurious, elitist, us vs. the dumb cattle/masses mentality. And they're all now circling the wagons around Wall Street banksters. This mentality, if not addressed and corrected, can only end at the guillotine or its likeness, and radical, apocalyptic upheaval.
I thought the Israel discussion in the recent VP debate was a bit over the top, even for American political pandering. From both a strategic and cultural perspective, Israel is an important consideration in American politics, but come on … compared to American Jews, the Irish-American population is enormous, and at no time in the history of this nation did we substantially aid Ireland against British occupation as a matter of foreign policy. Make of that what you will, but think about it. Sure, it's just fine to "love" Ireland and all things Irish—even The Riverdance, if you must—but should that translate into support of atrocities and crimes against humanity? Because that's what our national "love" for Israel involves.
• Is there any other country in the world where political candidates are customarily obliged to proclaim their "passion" and "love" for another country in a national election?
• Other than Israel, is there any foreign country for which our presidential candidates are so obliged to proclaim their "passion" and "love"?
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If you find Joachim's frame of reference unpalatable, then you can find exactly the same facts regarding Jewish domination of the commanding heights of the US economy in the recent books of professor James Petras, who is as Leftish as the day is long.
This is what happens to a country that sells its soul to mammon and markets, an atheistic process not unlike that of Communist dialectical materialism: even gentile "leaders" adopt the usurious, elitist, us vs. the dumb cattle/masses mentality.
You have a problem with dialectical materialism? Do you have a problem with empiricism too? Do you believe the ultimate truth lies in religion as you so often seem to suggest? The whole problem starting with the Torah? Vs the Christian simplification: Love thy neighbor as yourself?
I am not surprised by your showers of hate. There are points were your and Joachim's enterprise converge. So surely you must defend him. What makes Joachim slightly more interesting is that he tries to weave a little more empirics into his larger tale, while you seem to mainly tread the same old ideological spots. And the "material"–reality part–is what history is all about. It's complex down on the ground. Too complex for Joachim's fast dot connecting sometimes.
Joachim's main problem–I think–is that he can't see that the little reality pieces fitted into the larger ideological tale have a really long history around the Protocols.
As one of Dostoevsky's characters says: You only need to weave facts into your story that you can point out to people and they will swallow the whole tale, no matter how implausible.
Yes, I think you are too far gone to be reached by reason. Maybe Joachim is too.
And no I do not hate the Germans. I am not Anti-German either. I think the Germans have a responsibility towards both: Israelis and Palestinians.
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What you both share seems the hard ideological cold-war core; that somehow seems to make the Nazis the lesser evil. But yes, they are part of my history. And I prefer not to compare evils. But to look at the humans and their reality in both contexts.
If Martillo is arguing about the degree of greed in modern society, and the veto-holding power of commerce in modern decisions, that would be one thing.
The ethnic composition or even relationship to the state of Israel, would be of NO CONSEQUENCE.
It would be a different argument.
But, in practise, the only thesis Martillo presents is that the European Jews conspired (as Jews and with all Jews as associated) to manipulate.
The thesis is classic anti-semitism. Its right out of the book.
The thesis is both false, and unimportant.
How much further from benign relevance can that be?
It isn't hard to get people to accept the belief that they are special, that they are better than others, that they deserve special privileges, and that they belong to a group that spans space and time, creating a unique community that deserves aggressive protection. With that in place, the demonization of The Other and their fellow travelers can lead readily to mass economic murder, then literal murder; indeed, making the The Other social pariahs is inevitable by that point.
Tell me who your enemy is and I will tell you who you are.
So will you continue censoring those "anti-semitic" posts, Phil?
And I "smell" a zionist posing as a conscientious jew. I should have known better with your two state solution bullshit.
Pathetic.
Witty really got to you – eah, Phil?
Good for you Witty….
The good old jewish 'smell' test – never fails.
You are a fucking joke, son….
The good old jewish 'smell' test – never fails.
You are a fucking joke, son….