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		<title>By: the Sword of Gideon</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2008/10/zionist-urges-annihilation-of-anti-zionist-jews.html/comment-page-1#comment-49666</link>
		<dc:creator>the Sword of Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s fairly obvious. Jews by accident of birth, like Phil, Blankfort, and the rest. If they realize their dream of the destruction of Israel. And everything that that entails. And bring their self hatred to its highest form.  What is their raison de etre then. Nothing. They are the useful idiots that lenin spoke of. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s fairly obvious. Jews by accident of birth, like Phil, Blankfort, and the rest. If they realize their dream of the destruction of Israel. And everything that that entails. And bring their self hatred to its highest form.  What is their raison de etre then. Nothing. They are the useful idiots that lenin spoke of. </p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Zionism&#039;s useful idiots are the average Americans&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zionism&#39;s useful idiots are the average Americans</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ami Isseroff (not to be confused with the Haaretz reporter Ami Issacharof) publishes MideastWeb, the very site that published one of Ralph Seliger&#039;s screeds.  Are we surprised?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ami is a very strange dude.  He&#039;ll tell you he&#039;s a progressive and then rant against Peace Now.  It&#039;s not that Ami is an outright fraud.  He&#039;s just someone like Ralph whose views have somehow become twisted &amp; distorted.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ami has no consistent political viewpt. that I can discern though he&#039;s somewhere in the vague center-left with rightist tendencies (if that&#039;s not too much of a contradiction in terms).  He loves to rant as you can see from this passage.  He even accused me of libeling him &amp; threatened a lawsuit.  Never heard anything further about that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;IT&#039;s really a shame because Ami pioneered dealing w. the I-P conflict on the web.  His site was one of the first.  He &#039;coulda been somebody&#039; if you remember your Marlon Brando lines.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ami Isseroff (not to be confused with the Haaretz reporter Ami Issacharof) publishes MideastWeb, the very site that published one of Ralph Seliger&#39;s screeds.  Are we surprised?</p>
<p>Ami is a very strange dude.  He&#39;ll tell you he&#39;s a progressive and then rant against Peace Now.  It&#39;s not that Ami is an outright fraud.  He&#39;s just someone like Ralph whose views have somehow become twisted &amp; distorted.</p>
<p>Ami has no consistent political viewpt. that I can discern though he&#39;s somewhere in the vague center-left with rightist tendencies (if that&#39;s not too much of a contradiction in terms).  He loves to rant as you can see from this passage.  He even accused me of libeling him &amp; threatened a lawsuit.  Never heard anything further about that.</p>
<p>IT&#39;s really a shame because Ami pioneered dealing w. the I-P conflict on the web.  His site was one of the first.  He &#39;coulda been somebody&#39; if you remember your Marlon Brando lines.</p>
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		<title>By: the Sword of Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Sword of Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The &quot;hamlet of Seattle&quot;  is heard from again. Rich, I stand ready to pop for a plane ticket for Samir ( head crusher ) Kuntar to visit you and your boys. That&#039;s a blog post I would love to tead. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &quot;hamlet of Seattle&quot;  is heard from again. Rich, I stand ready to pop for a plane ticket for Samir ( head crusher ) Kuntar to visit you and your boys. That&#39;s a blog post I would love to tead. </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Blankfort completes the circle admirably. Zionism and Nazism emerged from a common cradle. Despite allegedly being polar opposites, they share much in common ... not least being their calls for the &#039;annihilation&#039; of ideological enemies.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blankfort completes the circle admirably. Zionism and Nazism emerged from a common cradle. Despite allegedly being polar opposites, they share much in common &#8230; not least being their calls for the &#39;annihilation&#39; of ideological enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Richard,&lt;br /&gt;
So what specifically do you disagree with Ralph&#039;s perspective?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do you understand how he might have rationally come to that perspective, and still disagree?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If so, then the specific conclusions, would be identifiable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I personally don&#039;t believe in any political approach that is sledgehammer (imprecise), or oriented to conformity of thinking.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A sledgehammer approach is by definition meant to coerce people to adopt a conclusion without decision.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We all form conclusions that have an element of either faith (as in religious belief in God it/him/her self, or scripture, or orthodoxy), or of social conformity.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is honest to identify what those foundation stones are, explicitly, to discern what is clearly consistent, what is a guess, what is vanity (wanting to look good).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The best arguments are about what assumes, not the heat of drama. How do you know that? How do you add that up?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Phil has stated recently that he considers such intellectual discussion not his, that he as a journalist is more interested in horse races, in dramatic story, novel (ala Shakespeare - of which the moral dilemmas are part of the dramatic, rather than say Ibsen - of which the drama is part of the moral thesis).&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,<br />
So what specifically do you disagree with Ralph&#39;s perspective?</p>
<p>Do you understand how he might have rationally come to that perspective, and still disagree?</p>
<p>If so, then the specific conclusions, would be identifiable.</p>
<p>I personally don&#39;t believe in any political approach that is sledgehammer (imprecise), or oriented to conformity of thinking.</p>
<p>A sledgehammer approach is by definition meant to coerce people to adopt a conclusion without decision.</p>
<p>We all form conclusions that have an element of either faith (as in religious belief in God it/him/her self, or scripture, or orthodoxy), or of social conformity.</p>
<p>It is honest to identify what those foundation stones are, explicitly, to discern what is clearly consistent, what is a guess, what is vanity (wanting to look good).</p>
<p>The best arguments are about what assumes, not the heat of drama. How do you know that? How do you add that up?</p>
<p>Phil has stated recently that he considers such intellectual discussion not his, that he as a journalist is more interested in horse races, in dramatic story, novel (ala Shakespeare &#8211; of which the moral dilemmas are part of the dramatic, rather than say Ibsen &#8211; of which the drama is part of the moral thesis).</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;SORRY ... typed &quot;Blankfort&quot; when I meant &quot;Isseroff.&#039; I would edit the above post, but I can&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SORRY &#8230; typed &quot;Blankfort&quot; when I meant &quot;Isseroff.&#39; I would edit the above post, but I can&#39;t.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE: &quot;We all form conclusions that have an element of either faith (as in religious belief in God it/him/her self, or scripture, or orthodoxy), or of social conformity.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Who is We? What is the basis of this statement?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &quot;We all form conclusions that have an element of either faith (as in religious belief in God it/him/her self, or scripture, or orthodoxy), or of social conformity.&quot;</p>
<p>Who is We? What is the basis of this statement?</p>
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		<title>By: A blogger from Lebanon</title>
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		<dc:creator>A blogger from Lebanon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow... that&#039;s some crazy stuff...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; that&#39;s some crazy stuff&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think Left-wing Jews are just as annihilatorry as Right-wing ones, as Jewish Bolshevism shows. I believe that it is a culture of extremism mixed with a culture of disappointed or dejected idealism that has caused so many problems for Jews and their victims. I really don’t see how adopting coerced universalism, which I view as more code for Communism, is going to help matters; in fact, it might make matters worse.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think the answer lies in the adoption of moderation that can short circuit the culture of extremism. For example, forcing Israel to adopt a Constitution and set its borders.  Could the Constitution stipulate preferential treatment for Jews seeking immigration? I don’t see why not, so long as it stipulates equal treatment for citizens of all races once they have citizenship status. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I fear Left-wing anti-Zionist Jews are allowing the perfect to make an enemy of the good. I believe a few moderate steps such as those above would, so long as they had the girth of the Jewish community behind them, go a long way towards short-circuiting the downward spiral. Of course, Right-leaning Zionists would have to moderate their extreme ambitions for an expansionist Israel, and the ball is really in their court. Their own extremism is forcing anti-Zionist extremism.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Left-wing Jews are just as annihilatorry as Right-wing ones, as Jewish Bolshevism shows. I believe that it is a culture of extremism mixed with a culture of disappointed or dejected idealism that has caused so many problems for Jews and their victims. I really don’t see how adopting coerced universalism, which I view as more code for Communism, is going to help matters; in fact, it might make matters worse.</p>
<p>I think the answer lies in the adoption of moderation that can short circuit the culture of extremism. For example, forcing Israel to adopt a Constitution and set its borders.  Could the Constitution stipulate preferential treatment for Jews seeking immigration? I don’t see why not, so long as it stipulates equal treatment for citizens of all races once they have citizenship status. </p>
<p>I fear Left-wing anti-Zionist Jews are allowing the perfect to make an enemy of the good. I believe a few moderate steps such as those above would, so long as they had the girth of the Jewish community behind them, go a long way towards short-circuiting the downward spiral. Of course, Right-leaning Zionists would have to moderate their extreme ambitions for an expansionist Israel, and the ball is really in their court. Their own extremism is forcing anti-Zionist extremism.</p>
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