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	<title>Comments on: Jerome Slater: Tom Friedman Glibly Promotes &#8216;Mythology&#8217; that Israel Is Fair, Palestinians Violent</title>
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		<title>By: Jewish Goyim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jewish Goyim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Moral irresponsibility&quot; does not give justice to what Friedman is doing. It is way too soft on him for me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How doesn&#039;t Friedman have a positive action contributing to the ordeal of the palestinians? I&#039;m afraid he is entirely morally responsible for oppressing the palestinian.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Moral irresponsibility&quot; does not give justice to what Friedman is doing. It is way too soft on him for me.</p>
<p>How doesn&#39;t Friedman have a positive action contributing to the ordeal of the palestinians? I&#39;m afraid he is entirely morally responsible for oppressing the palestinian.</p>
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		<title>By: syvanen</title>
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		<dc:creator>syvanen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hasn&#039;t this been obvious for the last 8 years.  It was only after it had been thoroughly established among the Friedmans and other Zionist Americans that &quot;there was no one to talk to&quot; that it seemed clear, to me at least, that the entire Oslo process was a fraud. It seemed the two state negotiations were just a tactical move on the part of Israel to cover the annexation of the West Bank.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now after all these years there seems to be some  realization that Barak and Clinton acted in extreme bad faith. If that is really the case, then perhaps there is a possibility of achieving two states. But it will require explicit recognition that the 2000 Camp David talks were subverted by Barak, Clinton and that Aipac mole Dennis Ross. It will also mean acceptance that the failure was not Arafat&#039;s responsibility. I remain skeptical that the two state solution is still possible but if working towards that end is the only game in town, then maybe we should support it.  But this time insist that Aipac does not insert their moles into the middle of the process.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasn&#39;t this been obvious for the last 8 years.  It was only after it had been thoroughly established among the Friedmans and other Zionist Americans that &quot;there was no one to talk to&quot; that it seemed clear, to me at least, that the entire Oslo process was a fraud. It seemed the two state negotiations were just a tactical move on the part of Israel to cover the annexation of the West Bank.  </p>
<p>Now after all these years there seems to be some  realization that Barak and Clinton acted in extreme bad faith. If that is really the case, then perhaps there is a possibility of achieving two states. But it will require explicit recognition that the 2000 Camp David talks were subverted by Barak, Clinton and that Aipac mole Dennis Ross. It will also mean acceptance that the failure was not Arafat&#39;s responsibility. I remain skeptical that the two state solution is still possible but if working towards that end is the only game in town, then maybe we should support it.  But this time insist that Aipac does not insert their moles into the middle of the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Arafat had the right, even the obligation, to reject Barak&#039;s multiple offers. To state though that he offered 85-90% of the West Bank, is a bit misleading.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;85-90% was an early offer. The number that I remember as summary was in the 94% range.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Arafat&#039;s &quot;sin&quot; was not in the rejection, although the game was stacked by the EACH side&#039;s precipicing to the last minute. His &quot;sin&quot; was in failing to counterpropose.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And, to threaten and initiate the second intifada (without control of those on the ground), which differed radically from the first (which was violent enough).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Slater&#039;s characterization of the second intifada&#039;s ramp up of violence is innaccurate. Its a rationalization. The early violence was severe, and unleashed. Slightly restrained, but only slightly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Many on the left want to think that the intifadas were little more than Gandhieque civil disobedience, because the stone throwers only threw stones. (David and Goliath).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;COUNTER-PROPOSAL!!!!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arafat had the right, even the obligation, to reject Barak&#39;s multiple offers. To state though that he offered 85-90% of the West Bank, is a bit misleading.</p>
<p>85-90% was an early offer. The number that I remember as summary was in the 94% range.</p>
<p>Arafat&#39;s &quot;sin&quot; was not in the rejection, although the game was stacked by the EACH side&#39;s precipicing to the last minute. His &quot;sin&quot; was in failing to counterpropose.</p>
<p>And, to threaten and initiate the second intifada (without control of those on the ground), which differed radically from the first (which was violent enough).</p>
<p>Slater&#39;s characterization of the second intifada&#39;s ramp up of violence is innaccurate. Its a rationalization. The early violence was severe, and unleashed. Slightly restrained, but only slightly.</p>
<p>Many on the left want to think that the intifadas were little more than Gandhieque civil disobedience, because the stone throwers only threw stones. (David and Goliath).</p>
<p>COUNTER-PROPOSAL!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome Slater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerome Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you wish to understand the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the first place to begin is with what the evidence establishes, not with assertions which disregard well-established evidence.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It would appear that Witty has not read my article--let alone a raft of much more detailed analyses--for he is either unaware of or disregards the evidence and my arguments, and simply reasserts the standard mythology.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t simply rewrite the article here, but in brief:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1. No one knows with any precision what Barak was &quot;offering&quot; at Camp David, since nothing is on paper.  The best informed assessments put it at 85-90%, not 94%.  Read the evidence.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2. The article specifically addresses standard cliche that Arafat made no &quot;counterproposals.&quot;  He not only agreed to accept less than 25% of Palestine, at Camp David he made further compromises: on the status of the Jewish areas in Arab East Jerusalem, established after the 1967 war, on sovereignty over the Old City of Jersualem, and on the status of the largest Jewish settlements established on Palestinian territory after 1967.     &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3. Arafat did not threaten to initiate the intifada, nor did he in fact initiate it.  Read the article for the evidence.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4. The early violence of the intifada was overwhelmingly that of Israel, not the Palestinians.  Yes, the Palestinians threw stones, but no Israelis were killed, whereas hundreds of Palestinians were killed by Israeli shootings.  Thus, when the Palestinians did turn to guns and bombs, it was in reaction to the Israeli escalations.  Moreover, even this armed uprising for a number of months was not terrorism, for it did not target Israeli non-combatants, except for some extremist settlers, who in a larger sense do not qualify as &quot;innocent civilians.&quot;  It was only after Sharon came to power and the chances for a legitimate settlement disappeared that the Palestinians resorted to terrorism, which means deliberate attacks on civilians.&lt;br /&gt;
Furthermore, Israeli state terrorism against the Palestinians has always far exceeded Palestinian terrorism against the Israelis.&lt;br /&gt;
Read the evidence.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;5. I know of no serious observer or commentator who regards the intifada as mere &quot;civil disobedience;&quot; indeed, I know of no one at all, serious or not, who makes such an argument.  Perhaps you can find someone who did, but if you wish your arguments to be taken as serious ones, address the serious arguments, not the straw men.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you wish to understand the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the first place to begin is with what the evidence establishes, not with assertions which disregard well-established evidence.</p>
<p>It would appear that Witty has not read my article&#8211;let alone a raft of much more detailed analyses&#8211;for he is either unaware of or disregards the evidence and my arguments, and simply reasserts the standard mythology.</p>
<p>I can&#39;t simply rewrite the article here, but in brief:</p>
<p>1. No one knows with any precision what Barak was &quot;offering&quot; at Camp David, since nothing is on paper.  The best informed assessments put it at 85-90%, not 94%.  Read the evidence.</p>
<p>2. The article specifically addresses standard cliche that Arafat made no &quot;counterproposals.&quot;  He not only agreed to accept less than 25% of Palestine, at Camp David he made further compromises: on the status of the Jewish areas in Arab East Jerusalem, established after the 1967 war, on sovereignty over the Old City of Jersualem, and on the status of the largest Jewish settlements established on Palestinian territory after 1967.     </p>
<p>3. Arafat did not threaten to initiate the intifada, nor did he in fact initiate it.  Read the article for the evidence.</p>
<p>4. The early violence of the intifada was overwhelmingly that of Israel, not the Palestinians.  Yes, the Palestinians threw stones, but no Israelis were killed, whereas hundreds of Palestinians were killed by Israeli shootings.  Thus, when the Palestinians did turn to guns and bombs, it was in reaction to the Israeli escalations.  Moreover, even this armed uprising for a number of months was not terrorism, for it did not target Israeli non-combatants, except for some extremist settlers, who in a larger sense do not qualify as &quot;innocent civilians.&quot;  It was only after Sharon came to power and the chances for a legitimate settlement disappeared that the Palestinians resorted to terrorism, which means deliberate attacks on civilians.<br />
Furthermore, Israeli state terrorism against the Palestinians has always far exceeded Palestinian terrorism against the Israelis.<br />
Read the evidence.</p>
<p>5. I know of no serious observer or commentator who regards the intifada as mere &quot;civil disobedience;&quot; indeed, I know of no one at all, serious or not, who makes such an argument.  Perhaps you can find someone who did, but if you wish your arguments to be taken as serious ones, address the serious arguments, not the straw men.  </p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not true that the second intifada was orchestrated by Arafat in any way.&lt;br /&gt;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada&lt;br /&gt;
and of course wikipedia inclines marginally to the editorial pro-israeli view, as is its wont, but even they admit that the claim that Arafat deliberately triggered the second intifada is an israeli national myth.   &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s not true that the second intifada was orchestrated by Arafat in any way.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada<br">link to en.wikipedia.org</a><br /> /><br />
and of course wikipedia inclines marginally to the editorial pro-israeli view, as is its wont, but even they admit that the claim that Arafat deliberately triggered the second intifada is an israeli national myth.   </p>
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		<title>By: Eva Smagacz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva Smagacz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Richard, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Read Slater&#039;s piece: it devotes plenty of time to Arafat&#039;s detailed and constructive counter-proposal.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Tom Friedman is not innocent. He is a deliberate propagandist who abuses his position of trust in the influential American media to mislead and distort the truth for benefit of Israel. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Goebbels was not &quot;morally irresponsible&quot; either. Different era, the same aim: to bamboozle the masses and to paint the enemy as somehow devoid of morals and therefore less human than the rest of us. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, </p>
<p>Read Slater&#39;s piece: it devotes plenty of time to Arafat&#39;s detailed and constructive counter-proposal.</p>
<p>
Tom Friedman is not innocent. He is a deliberate propagandist who abuses his position of trust in the influential American media to mislead and distort the truth for benefit of Israel. </p>
<p>Goebbels was not &quot;morally irresponsible&quot; either. Different era, the same aim: to bamboozle the masses and to paint the enemy as somehow devoid of morals and therefore less human than the rest of us. </p>
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		<title>By: ifnotnowwhen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ifnotnowwhen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE: The myth of the &quot;generous offer: &quot;...if you frame everything in terms of what Israel wanted, it made huge concessions. However, if you frame things in terms of what Israel was legally entitled to under international law, then Israel made precisely and exactly zero concessions. All the concessions were made by the Palestinians.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2006/04/yasir_arafats_g.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: The myth of the &quot;generous offer: &quot;&#8230;if you frame everything in terms of what Israel wanted, it made huge concessions. However, if you frame things in terms of what Israel was legally entitled to under international law, then Israel made precisely and exactly zero concessions. All the concessions were made by the Palestinians.&quot;<br />
<a href="http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2006/04/yasir_arafats_g.html</p>
<p>&#8220;>link to lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amazing Slater quotes:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One could hardly find a more decisive refutation of the standard mythology than that of Ami Ayalon, who headed the Shin Bet (the Israeli internal security service) during the events of 2000: “Yasser Arafat neither prepared nor triggered the Intifada. The explosion was spontaneous, against Israel, as all hope for the end of occupation disappeared, and against the Palestinian Authority, its corruption, and its impotence. Arafat could not repress it. He can fight neither against the Islamists nor against his own base. The Palestinians would end up hanging him in the public square.” - Ami Ayalon, interview by Le Monde, December 22, 2001, quoted in Haaretz, January 7, 2002.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Avi Dichter, Shin Bet director from 2000 to 2005, confirms Ayalon’s statement, saying that interrogations of Palestinians arrested after the start of the intifada “clarified once and for all that Yasser Arafat was not behind the events, which had erupted spontaneously on the ground.” - Quoted in Ben-Ari, “Arafat Was Not Guilty.”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and one for right now:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is true that Islamic Jihad continued its largely ineffective rocket attacks on the Israeli border town of Sderot during this period, attacks that Hamas said it deplored but was unable to prevent. It should be noted that even the government of Mahmoud Abbas, whose opposition to terrorism is undeniable, was also unable to prevent the attacks. In March 2007, however, Hamas announced that it would “offer a promise of a total ceasefire with Israel, including a complete halt to Quassam [rocket] fire and suicide bombings,” if Israel agreed to persuade the international community to end its boycott of the Palestinian government. - Avi Issacharoff and Aluf Benn, “Hamas Vows Full Truce If Israel Helps End Boycott,” Haaretz, March 7, 2007.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing Slater quotes:</p>
<p>One could hardly find a more decisive refutation of the standard mythology than that of Ami Ayalon, who headed the Shin Bet (the Israeli internal security service) during the events of 2000: “Yasser Arafat neither prepared nor triggered the Intifada. The explosion was spontaneous, against Israel, as all hope for the end of occupation disappeared, and against the Palestinian Authority, its corruption, and its impotence. Arafat could not repress it. He can fight neither against the Islamists nor against his own base. The Palestinians would end up hanging him in the public square.” &#8211; Ami Ayalon, interview by Le Monde, December 22, 2001, quoted in Haaretz, January 7, 2002.</p>
<p>Avi Dichter, Shin Bet director from 2000 to 2005, confirms Ayalon’s statement, saying that interrogations of Palestinians arrested after the start of the intifada “clarified once and for all that Yasser Arafat was not behind the events, which had erupted spontaneously on the ground.” &#8211; Quoted in Ben-Ari, “Arafat Was Not Guilty.”</p>
<p>and one for right now:</p>
<p>It is true that Islamic Jihad continued its largely ineffective rocket attacks on the Israeli border town of Sderot during this period, attacks that Hamas said it deplored but was unable to prevent. It should be noted that even the government of Mahmoud Abbas, whose opposition to terrorism is undeniable, was also unable to prevent the attacks. In March 2007, however, Hamas announced that it would “offer a promise of a total ceasefire with Israel, including a complete halt to Quassam [rocket] fire and suicide bombings,” if Israel agreed to persuade the international community to end its boycott of the Palestinian government. &#8211; Avi Issacharoff and Aluf Benn, “Hamas Vows Full Truce If Israel Helps End Boycott,” Haaretz, March 7, 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jerome,&lt;br /&gt;
I get that you are reacting to my comments, but you are in error on the authority of your 85-90%. That is that NOONE knows what percentage of what land was included, except for those that were in the room, and its reported that Barak and Arafat were rarely, if ever, in the room. &quot;The best informed estimates&quot;. (Names and citations please, if you wish it to have the authority of &quot;evidence&quot;.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It never got that far.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As &quot;noone was in the room&quot;, your assertion of compromises are relative to original positions. Passively relative to a negotiation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A counter-proposal would be &quot;I hear what you are proposing. These are the characteristics that we need for a solution to be acceptable. I PROPOSE x as fulfilling those characteristics. I understand the characteristics of a solution that you need. This proposal describes an intersection of our two communities&#039; needs.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The initiation of intifada, which from my understanding came with elements &quot;spontaneiously&quot; and elements orchestrated, is a response of &quot;if I don&#039;t get what I want, I will make trouble.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And, by &quot;trouble&quot;, I mean thrashing all prior progress and agreements, with actions that would make that more permanent than temporary and conditional.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree with what I imagine that you would state, that Sharon represented an either/or prospect into the future, and the structure of precipice (&quot;negotiate in the few weeks before Sharon takes power&quot;) is a stacked deck.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On Gandhiesque. How many times have you heard, or even presented (I don&#039;t know your comments, so forgive me if I project), that the first or second intifada was relatively innocuous IN YOUR TONE, that it was romantic/committed adoloscents merely throwing stones, ala David and Goliath.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Even in this statement, you are enabling the Arafat and Palestinian various leaderships&#039; approach as &quot;innocent&quot; in some way, as victim only.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is horribly frustrating dealing with the Israeli government, its rationalization that it is not aggressive but merely defensive.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is ALSO horribly frustrating dealing with the terrorist Palestinians and other Arabs and other Islamics, who are self-appointed &quot;leaders&quot;, but exert great and malevolent force and without negotiable conditions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is ALSO horribly frustrating dealing with the litmus-left who are also self-appointed leaders, and condemn rather than propose.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As the Palestinian solidarity movement contains both kindly motivated advocates for mutual decency, AND resentful punitive advocates for the removal of Israel and ranging to overt racism towards Jews ethnically, it is difficult for me to add my voice to that stew.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerome,<br />
I get that you are reacting to my comments, but you are in error on the authority of your 85-90%. That is that NOONE knows what percentage of what land was included, except for those that were in the room, and its reported that Barak and Arafat were rarely, if ever, in the room. &quot;The best informed estimates&quot;. (Names and citations please, if you wish it to have the authority of &quot;evidence&quot;.)</p>
<p>It never got that far.</p>
<p>As &quot;noone was in the room&quot;, your assertion of compromises are relative to original positions. Passively relative to a negotiation.</p>
<p>A counter-proposal would be &quot;I hear what you are proposing. These are the characteristics that we need for a solution to be acceptable. I PROPOSE x as fulfilling those characteristics. I understand the characteristics of a solution that you need. This proposal describes an intersection of our two communities&#39; needs.&quot;</p>
<p>The initiation of intifada, which from my understanding came with elements &quot;spontaneiously&quot; and elements orchestrated, is a response of &quot;if I don&#39;t get what I want, I will make trouble.&quot;</p>
<p>And, by &quot;trouble&quot;, I mean thrashing all prior progress and agreements, with actions that would make that more permanent than temporary and conditional.</p>
<p>I agree with what I imagine that you would state, that Sharon represented an either/or prospect into the future, and the structure of precipice (&quot;negotiate in the few weeks before Sharon takes power&quot;) is a stacked deck.</p>
<p>On Gandhiesque. How many times have you heard, or even presented (I don&#39;t know your comments, so forgive me if I project), that the first or second intifada was relatively innocuous IN YOUR TONE, that it was romantic/committed adoloscents merely throwing stones, ala David and Goliath.</p>
<p>Even in this statement, you are enabling the Arafat and Palestinian various leaderships&#39; approach as &quot;innocent&quot; in some way, as victim only.</p>
<p>It is horribly frustrating dealing with the Israeli government, its rationalization that it is not aggressive but merely defensive.</p>
<p>It is ALSO horribly frustrating dealing with the terrorist Palestinians and other Arabs and other Islamics, who are self-appointed &quot;leaders&quot;, but exert great and malevolent force and without negotiable conditions.</p>
<p>It is ALSO horribly frustrating dealing with the litmus-left who are also self-appointed leaders, and condemn rather than propose.</p>
<p>As the Palestinian solidarity movement contains both kindly motivated advocates for mutual decency, AND resentful punitive advocates for the removal of Israel and ranging to overt racism towards Jews ethnically, it is difficult for me to add my voice to that stew.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Opinion is only as good as its basis in fact. Amira Haas has another of her &quot;facts only&quot; (no spin) reports about Israeli cruelty in Gaza in today&#039;s Ha&#039;aretz. I doubt Friedman even reads these unvarnished truths. Certainly the NYT never, ever publishes them. &quot;Unfair&quot; (cf. Friedman) is much too mild a term for the Israeli and Jewish-American campaign to destroy Palestinian life in their homeland. Here are the observations of an out-spoken witness.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1041345.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opinion is only as good as its basis in fact. Amira Haas has another of her &quot;facts only&quot; (no spin) reports about Israeli cruelty in Gaza in today&#39;s Ha&#39;aretz. I doubt Friedman even reads these unvarnished truths. Certainly the NYT never, ever publishes them. &quot;Unfair&quot; (cf. Friedman) is much too mild a term for the Israeli and Jewish-American campaign to destroy Palestinian life in their homeland. Here are the observations of an out-spoken witness.</p>
<p>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1041345.html</p>
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