Comments on: Conscious Pariahs http://mondoweiss.net/2008/11/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 03:52:48 +0000 hourly 1 By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/11/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-44988 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/11/29/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html#comment-44988 <p>The two-state solution is NOT parallel to slavery.</p> <p>If anything, in the near term (50 years), the single-state solution is MORE likely to result in suppression of large minorities (whomever).</p> <p>Don't embellish your stand. Its just a political choice, especially if the only approach that you pursue is the one of agitation of people, rather than reconciliation between people.</p> The two-state solution is NOT parallel to slavery.

If anything, in the near term (50 years), the single-state solution is MORE likely to result in suppression of large minorities (whomever).

Don't embellish your stand. Its just a political choice, especially if the only approach that you pursue is the one of agitation of people, rather than reconciliation between people.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/11/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-44989 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/11/29/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html#comment-44989 <p>You demonstrate the horrendous bait and switch use of language about the "occupation".</p> <p>YOU use it here to refer to ANY Zionist jurisdiction, NOT to distinguish the 67 borders in any manner.</p> <p>By that confusion, you FEED the worst of fraud that enhances the marriage of anti-semitism and political dissent.</p> <p>And, in your dinners, NO mention of the Mumbai terror (only 195 killed), nor of the targeting of a center of the very small Jewish community.</p> <p>The elephant is STANDING in the room, Phil. You can smell it.</p> You demonstrate the horrendous bait and switch use of language about the "occupation".

YOU use it here to refer to ANY Zionist jurisdiction, NOT to distinguish the 67 borders in any manner.

By that confusion, you FEED the worst of fraud that enhances the marriage of anti-semitism and political dissent.

And, in your dinners, NO mention of the Mumbai terror (only 195 killed), nor of the targeting of a center of the very small Jewish community.

The elephant is STANDING in the room, Phil. You can smell it.

]]> By: David Green http://mondoweiss.net/2008/11/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-44990 David Green Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/11/29/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html#comment-44990 <p>Slavery came to an end when moral outrage coincided with the economic interests of northern industrialists, in opposition to an institution that stood in the way of the universalization of wage labor. A two-state solution amenable to Israel incorporates Palestine into the neoliberal system:</p> <p>http://www.monthlyreview.org/mrzine/hanieh190708a.html</p> <p>That isn't to say that a good portion of Israel's population is not subject to the ravages of corporate globalization. And under a single state, both Jews and Arabs will be. In either case, an agreement is only the first step, and in fact might preclude widespread social improvement.</p> Slavery came to an end when moral outrage coincided with the economic interests of northern industrialists, in opposition to an institution that stood in the way of the universalization of wage labor. A two-state solution amenable to Israel incorporates Palestine into the neoliberal system:

http://www.monthlyreview.org/mrzine/hanieh190708a.html

That isn't to say that a good portion of Israel's population is not subject to the ravages of corporate globalization. And under a single state, both Jews and Arabs will be. In either case, an agreement is only the first step, and in fact might preclude widespread social improvement.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/11/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-44991 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/11/29/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html#comment-44991 <p>"THE" "right of return".</p> <p>I would argue for the promised day in court on specific land title claims, rather than the political right of return.</p> <p>The majority of otherwise sympathetic should have left for that litmus test.</p> <p>Do they argue for the right of return of Jews to the West Bank, even the ones that held title to land there pre 1948, that WERE ethnically cleansed. (Not as many in numbers, but to a dissenter its the PRINCIPLE!!!)</p> <p>Thats if they don't want to be hypocrites, self-advertisers (to quote Norman Mailer, not around this issue).</p> "THE" "right of return".

I would argue for the promised day in court on specific land title claims, rather than the political right of return.

The majority of otherwise sympathetic should have left for that litmus test.

Do they argue for the right of return of Jews to the West Bank, even the ones that held title to land there pre 1948, that WERE ethnically cleansed. (Not as many in numbers, but to a dissenter its the PRINCIPLE!!!)

Thats if they don't want to be hypocrites, self-advertisers (to quote Norman Mailer, not around this issue).

]]> By: John Lewis-Dickerson http://mondoweiss.net/2008/11/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-44992 John Lewis-Dickerson Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/11/29/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html#comment-44992 <p>*********************************<br /> FROM HANNAH ARENDT:</p> <p>"The assumption of an eternal anti-Semitism ... has been adapted by a great many unbiased historians and by even a greater number of Jews. It is this odd coincidence which makes the theory so very dangerous and confusing. Its escapist basis is in both instances the same; just as anti-Semites understandably desire to escape responsibility for their deeds, so Jews, attacked and on the defensive, even more understandably, do not wish to under any circumstances discuss their share of responsibility."<br /> Hannah Arendt, Origins, p. 7 (Jewish historian)</p> *********************************
FROM HANNAH ARENDT:

"The assumption of an eternal anti-Semitism … has been adapted by a great many unbiased historians and by even a greater number of Jews. It is this odd coincidence which makes the theory so very dangerous and confusing. Its escapist basis is in both instances the same; just as anti-Semites understandably desire to escape responsibility for their deeds, so Jews, attacked and on the defensive, even more understandably, do not wish to under any circumstances discuss their share of responsibility."
Hannah Arendt, Origins, p. 7 (Jewish historian)

]]> By: John Lewis-Dickerson http://mondoweiss.net/2008/11/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-44993 John Lewis-Dickerson Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/11/29/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html#comment-44993 <p>PHIL POSTED: Hannah Arendt the other day. "We are conscious pariahs." <br /> <br /> ME: Thanks so much, Phil! Now "conscious pariah" will be stuck in my mind all day like that Abba tune was stuck in the mind of that teenager in "Empire Falls"! You snake, you! (LOL)</p> PHIL POSTED: Hannah Arendt the other day. "We are conscious pariahs."

ME: Thanks so much, Phil! Now "conscious pariah" will be stuck in my mind all day like that Abba tune was stuck in the mind of that teenager in "Empire Falls"! You snake, you! (LOL)

]]> By: John Lewis-Dickerson http://mondoweiss.net/2008/11/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-44994 John Lewis-Dickerson Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/11/29/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html#comment-44994 <p>COFFEE TALK:</p> <p>"Is it better to be a conscious pariah or an unconscious pariah?"</p> <p>DISCUSS!!!!!!</p> <p>PS. Barbara Streisand? "Like butter!"</p> COFFEE TALK:

"Is it better to be a conscious pariah or an unconscious pariah?"

DISCUSS!!!!!!

PS. Barbara Streisand? "Like butter!"

]]> By: Jacqueline_Hyde http://mondoweiss.net/2008/11/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-44995 Jacqueline_Hyde Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/11/29/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html#comment-44995 <p>Damn straight! One City! Undivided! But international, for all the Book's People.</p> <p>Can you name an alternative, anyone? I don't think so, but it's not about me.</p> Damn straight! One City! Undivided! But international, for all the Book's People.

Can you name an alternative, anyone? I don't think so, but it's not about me.

]]> By: LeaNder http://mondoweiss.net/2008/11/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-44996 LeaNder Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/11/29/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html#comment-44996 <p>Off-topic but good news for our passionate optimist and friends.</p> <p><a href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/Samantha-Power-Returns-to-by-Rob-Kall-081129-808.html" rel="nofollow">Samantha Power Returns to Obama Team<a/></p> Off-topic but good news for our passionate optimist and friends.

Samantha Power Returns to Obama Team

]]> By: Jacqueline_Hyde http://mondoweiss.net/2008/11/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-44997 Jacqueline_Hyde Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/11/29/my-wife-and-i-went-to-a-family-gathering-in-the-neighborhood-she-grew-up-in-chestnut-hill-the-oklahoma-game-was-on-and-the.html#comment-44997 <p>Who's an optimist? The Army and the defense industries are welcoming the new-ly jobless. Weaponry is being doled out to "friends" around the world and I'm not talking trebuchets. I see a great Crusade a-building. You think all these groaning armies are just gonna sit around cleaning their weapons forever?</p> <p>There's gonna be hell to pay.</p> Who's an optimist? The Army and the defense industries are welcoming the new-ly jobless. Weaponry is being doled out to "friends" around the world and I'm not talking trebuchets. I see a great Crusade a-building. You think all these groaning armies are just gonna sit around cleaning their weapons forever?

There's gonna be hell to pay.

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