Comments on: Robert Kuttner Likens Irgun to George Washington

By: Susie

Susie — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

And the words Israeli "settlers" and "settlements" mask thievery and murder, just as they did in the US theft from and ethnic cleansing of Native Americans. Many liberals who've long felt guilt about American larceny 100-200 years ago now justify comparable crimes today. Reactionaries, on the other hand, see no harm in either set of atrocities, celebrating the "manifest destiny" that their side is entitled to take whatever it wants.

By: Ed

Ed — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

“But he doesn't care if it's the Jewish lobby or the Christian Zionists, he wants an evenhanded policy in the Middle East and we have to make Israel make hard choices”

Christian Zionists are too dumb to tie their own shoelaces, and their zombie masses have merely been leveraged by the Jewish Zionists in support of the Jewish Zionist agenda. Without the Jewish Zionists organizing and encouraging them, and for them to emulate, they’d still be a small cult of Branch Davidian-like screw balls. And Kuttner knows this.

This is why I despise liberal Jewish Zionists (Neolibs) even more than Neocons: In addition to being intellectually dishonest, they’re also gutless cowards seeking to scapegoat Christians for their own evil enterprise, the whole time implying they’re completely powerless to stop any of it -- even as they know it’s their own people pulling the strings. They then mouth tepid calls for “hard choices” and slink off to other issues. There probably isn’t a more disgusting form of intellect on the planet.

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Back to defining liberal Zionists as complicit again?

Tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee.

Where is the promised discussion about the lauded Burg book?

By: amnon

amnon — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Hey, in this day and age the Israelis are the Americans, the Brits are the Brits, and the Arabs are the Indians. Why do you think they style themselves settlers?

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

When I visited Israel first in 1968, Jaffa was an Arab town. Did the Irgun fail?

Commercialism changed Jaffa during Israel's tenure.

By: Eva Smagacz

Eva Smagacz — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Irgun did not fail. It really did ethnic clensed Jaffa of 95% of its Arab people. By 1968 Jaffa had dirt poor Arab outskirts and prosperous Jewish population settled in grand houses in Old town and new (Jewish only) neighbourhoods.

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

Not what I saw.

In 1968, there was beginning of Jewish building there, but the majority of the town was Arab.

Maybe I was just taken on a "tour".

My almost 14 year-old memory though is not perfect. Better than guessing or repeating others' assertions though.

By: Rowan Berkeley

Rowan Berkeley — Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000

There's just one writer at the American Prospect that I like, and that's Sarah Posner.

Similarly, there's just one writer that I like at Firedoglake, and that's Marcy Wheeler.

I dare say the fact that they are females makes it easier for me to perceive them as being at the more acceptable end of their respective house spectra.