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	<title>Comments on: Horowitz: How can I celebrate a Jewish liberation story while Gaza is starving?</title>
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		<title>By: Joachim Martillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joachim Martillo</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bialik was not a good person to cite. He was a blood and soil racist, who had no problem with ethnic cleansing or genociding Palestinians. Here is  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch06.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an excerpt from Lenni Brenner on the subject&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ludwig was a newcomer to the movement, but his views were in complete concord with those of such veterans as the celebrated Chaim Nachman Bialik, thought of then as the poet laureate of Zion. Because of his reputation, his statements were given wide circulation both by the Zionist movement and its left-wing enemies. The poet’s concern had long been the breakdown of Jewish unity resulting from the decline of traditional religious faith, and now he could not hide his happiness that Hitler had come just in time to save German Jewry from its own destruction.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hitlerism, the poet feels, has rendered at least one service in drawing no lines between the faithful Jew and the apostate Jew. Had Hitler excepted the baptized Jews, there would have developed, Bialik contended, the unedifying spectacle of thousands of Jews running to the baptismal fonts. Hitlerism has perhaps saved German Jewry, which was being assimilated into annihilation. At the same time, it has made the world so conscious of the Jewish problem, that they can no longer ignore it. &lt;a href=&quot;#n4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;[4]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bialik, like many other Zionists, thought of the Jews as something of a super race; if only they would finally come to their senses and stop wasting themselves on an ungrateful humanity and started working in their own vineyard.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Indeed it is quite true that Judaism, by penetrating into all the nations actually did undermine the remnants of that sort of idolatry ... but perhaps the strongest forces in this process were our “apostate” or “assimilated” Jews of all types, who entered into the very body of Christianity and stirred its very bowels, and went on slowly undermining the remnants of &lt;em&gt;paganism&lt;/em&gt; as a result of their Jewish volition and their Jewish blood. I, too, like Hitler, believe in the power of the blood idea. These were the men – although often the names of great non-Jews are called in their stead – who smoothed the roads for the great movements of freedom all over the world: The Renaissance, Liberalism, Democracy, Socialism and Communism ... Anti-Semites sometimes have clear discernment. Jewish influence has indeed been very powerful in this connection; we ought not to deny it. &lt;a href=&quot;#n5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;[5]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bialik was not a good person to cite. He was a blood and soil racist, who had no problem with ethnic cleansing or genociding Palestinians. Here is  <a href="http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch06.htm" rel="nofollow">an excerpt from Lenni Brenner on the subject</a>.</p>
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<p>Ludwig was a newcomer to the movement, but his views were in complete concord with those of such veterans as the celebrated Chaim Nachman Bialik, thought of then as the poet laureate of Zion. Because of his reputation, his statements were given wide circulation both by the Zionist movement and its left-wing enemies. The poet’s concern had long been the breakdown of Jewish unity resulting from the decline of traditional religious faith, and now he could not hide his happiness that Hitler had come just in time to save German Jewry from its own destruction.</p>
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<p>Hitlerism, the poet feels, has rendered at least one service in drawing no lines between the faithful Jew and the apostate Jew. Had Hitler excepted the baptized Jews, there would have developed, Bialik contended, the unedifying spectacle of thousands of Jews running to the baptismal fonts. Hitlerism has perhaps saved German Jewry, which was being assimilated into annihilation. At the same time, it has made the world so conscious of the Jewish problem, that they can no longer ignore it. <a href="#n4" rel="nofollow">[4]</a></p>
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<p>Bialik, like many other Zionists, thought of the Jews as something of a super race; if only they would finally come to their senses and stop wasting themselves on an ungrateful humanity and started working in their own vineyard.</p>
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<p>Indeed it is quite true that Judaism, by penetrating into all the nations actually did undermine the remnants of that sort of idolatry &#8230; but perhaps the strongest forces in this process were our “apostate” or “assimilated” Jews of all types, who entered into the very body of Christianity and stirred its very bowels, and went on slowly undermining the remnants of <em>paganism</em> as a result of their Jewish volition and their Jewish blood. I, too, like Hitler, believe in the power of the blood idea. These were the men – although often the names of great non-Jews are called in their stead – who smoothed the roads for the great movements of freedom all over the world: The Renaissance, Liberalism, Democracy, Socialism and Communism &#8230; Anti-Semites sometimes have clear discernment. Jewish influence has indeed been very powerful in this connection; we ought not to deny it. <a href="#n5" rel="nofollow">[5]</a></p>
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		<title>By: mnuez</title>
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		<dc:creator>mnuez</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I came here in the hope that I&#039;d see you squirming over some new &quot;neo-conservative&quot; (a.k.a Jew) achieving prominence somewhere and, while I do intend to skim a few more posts in the hope of aforementioned mondo-sadness, my breath caught short when I saw the mention of the 13 year old murdered Elchanan. I recall the day, I was there. I saw her body covered by a sheet and (though I now believe it was likely a rather useless exercise) I prayed for her for a while. Smadar Elchanan. It&#039;s been some eleven years or so but I&#039;ll never forget her name. If there is an afterlife t&#039;hi nishmatah tzrurah bitzror hachayim, b&#039;gan eden tihei nishmatah...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;mnuez&lt;br /&gt;
mnuezblue@gmail.com&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came here in the hope that I&#39;d see you squirming over some new &quot;neo-conservative&quot; (a.k.a Jew) achieving prominence somewhere and, while I do intend to skim a few more posts in the hope of aforementioned mondo-sadness, my breath caught short when I saw the mention of the 13 year old murdered Elchanan. I recall the day, I was there. I saw her body covered by a sheet and (though I now believe it was likely a rather useless exercise) I prayed for her for a while. Smadar Elchanan. It&#39;s been some eleven years or so but I&#39;ll never forget her name. If there is an afterlife t&#39;hi nishmatah tzrurah bitzror hachayim, b&#39;gan eden tihei nishmatah&#8230;</p>
<p>mnuez<br />
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		<title>By: querynotusury</title>
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		<dc:creator>querynotusury</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does any Christian sect, let alone any Christian nation, celebrate a holiday that is an episode in the life of Christians? For example, Is there a Christian holiday that celebrates when the Christians thrown to the lions in Roman sports events defeat their oppressors? Something similar to when the Jews defeated the Philistines? Anybody out there know? What Christian holiday celebrates historical events of liberation of Christians from the historical powers over the centuries? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just asking.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How about Islam holidays?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Every nation honors past defeats and victories, as their history.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How many fuse such with their non-secular religion? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Again, just asking. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Remember, we were slaves in Egypt.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
What does this mean to Israelis and American AIPAC types? &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does any Christian sect, let alone any Christian nation, celebrate a holiday that is an episode in the life of Christians? For example, Is there a Christian holiday that celebrates when the Christians thrown to the lions in Roman sports events defeat their oppressors? Something similar to when the Jews defeated the Philistines? Anybody out there know? What Christian holiday celebrates historical events of liberation of Christians from the historical powers over the centuries? </p>
<p>Just asking.</p>
<p>How about Islam holidays?</p>
<p>Every nation honors past defeats and victories, as their history.</p>
<p>How many fuse such with their non-secular religion? </p>
<p>Again, just asking. </p>
<p>&quot;Remember, we were slaves in Egypt.&quot;<br />
What does this mean to Israelis and American AIPAC types? </p>
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		<title>By: Steve R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;And personally I would add that these actions shake the foundations of Judaism itself as well.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Knock it off Phil, you neither know nor care the first fucking thing about Judaism.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;And personally I would add that these actions shake the foundations of Judaism itself as well.&quot;</p>
<p>Knock it off Phil, you neither know nor care the first fucking thing about Judaism.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A World Without Israel&lt;br /&gt;
By Josef Joffe&lt;br /&gt;
Foreign Policy &#124; March 11, 2005&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since World War II, no state has suffered so cruel a reversal of fortunes as Israel. Admired all the way into the 1970s as the state of âthose plucky Jewsâ who survived against all odds and made democracy and the desert bloom in a climate hostile to both liberty and greenery, Israel has become the target of creeping delegitimization. The denigration comes in two guises. The first, the soft version, blames Israel first and most for whatever ails the Middle East, and for having corrupted U.S. foreign policy. It is the standard fare of editorials around the world, not to mention the sheer venom oozing from the pages of the Arab-Islamic press. The more recent hard version zeroes in on Israelâs very existence. According to this dispensation, it is Israel as such, and not its behavior, that lies at the root of troubles in the Middle East. Hence the âstatocidalâ conclusion that Israelâs birth, midwifed by both the United States and the Soviet Union in 1948, was a grievous mistake, grandiose and worthy as it may have been at the time. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The soft version is familiar enough. One motif is the âwagging the dogâ theory. Thus, in the United States, the âJewish lobbyâ and a cabal of neoconservatives have bamboozled the Bush administration into a mindless pro-Israel policy inimical to the national interest. This view attributes, as has happened so often in history, too much clout to the Jews. And behind this charge lurks a more general oneâthat it is somehow antidemocratic for subnational groups to throw themselves into the hurly-burly of politics when it comes to foreign policy. But let us count the ways in which subnational entities battle over the national interest: unions and corporations clamor for tariffs and tax loopholes; nongovernmental organizations agitate for humanitarian intervention; and Cuban Americans keep us from smoking cheroots from the Vuelta Abajo. In previous years, Poles militated in favor of Solidarity, African Americans against Apartheid South Africa, and Latvians against the Soviet Union. In other words, the democratic melee has never stopped at the waterâs edge.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Another soft version is the âroot-causeâ theory in its many variations. Because the âobstinateâ and ârecalcitrantâ Israelis are the main culprits, they must be punished and pushed back for the sake of peace. âPut pressure on Israelâ; âcut economic and military aidâ; âserve them notice that we will not condone their brutalitiesââthese have been the boilerplate homilies, indeed the obsessions, of the chattering classes and the foreign-office establishment for decades. Yet, as Sigmund Freud reminded us, obsessions tend to spread. And so there are ever more creative addenda to the well-wrought root-cause theory. Anatol Lieven of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace argues that what is happening between Israelis and Palestinians is a âtremendous obstacle to democratization because it inflames all the worst, most regressive aspects of Arab nationalism and Arab culture.â In other words, the conflict drives the pathology, and not the other way aroundâwhich is like the streetfighter explaining to the police: âIt all started when this guy hit back.â&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem with this root-cause argument is threefold: It blurs, if not reverses, cause and effect. It ignores a myriad of conflicts unrelated to Israel. And it absolves the Arabs of culpability, shifting the blame to you know whom. If one believes former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter, the Arab-Islamic quest for weapons of mass destruction, and by extension the war against Iraq, are also Made in Israel. â[A]s long as Israel has nuclear weapons,â Ritter opines, âit has chosen to take a path that is inherently confrontational.â¦Now the Arab countries, the Muslim world, is not about to sit back and let this happen, so they will seek their own deterrent. We saw this in Iraq, not only with a nuclear deterrent but also with a biological weapons deterrentâ¦that the Iraqis were developing to offset the Israeli nuclear superiority.â&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This theory would be engaging if it did not collide with some inconvenient facts. Iraqis didnât use their weapons of mass destruction against the Israeli usurper but against fellow Muslims during the Iran-Iraq War, and against fellow Iraqis in the poison-gas attack against Kurds in Halabja in 1988âneither of whom were brandishing any nuclear weapons. As for the Iraqi nuclear program, we now have the âDuelfer Report,â based on the debriefing of Iraqi regime loyalists, which concluded: âIran was the pre-eminent motivator of this policy. All senior-level Iraqi officials considered Iran to be Iraqâs principal enemy in the region. The wish to balance Israel and acquire status and influence in the Arab world were also considerations, but secondary.â&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now to the hard version. Ever so subtly, a more baleful tone slips into this narrative: Israel is not merely an unruly neighbor but an unwelcome intruder. Still timidly uttered outside the Arab world, this versionâs proponents in the West bestride the stage as truth-sayers who dare to defy taboo. Thus, the British writer A.N. Wilson declares that he has reluctantly come to the conclusion that Israel, through its own actions, has proven it does not have the right to exist. And, following Sept. 11, 2001, Brazilian scholar Jose Arthur Giannotti said: âLet us agree that the history of the Middle East would be entirely different without the State of Israel, which opened a wound between Islam and the West. Can you get rid of Muslim terrorism without getting rid of this wound which is the source of the frustration of potential terrorists?â&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The very idea of a Jewish state is an âanachronism,â argues Tony Judt, a professor and director of the Remarque Institute at New York University. It resembles a âlate-nineteenth-century separatist projectâ that has âno placeâ in this wondrous new world moving toward the teleological perfection of multiethnic and multicultural togetherness bound together by international law. The time has come to âthink the unthinkable,â hence, to ditch this Jewish state for a binational one, guaranteed, of course, by international force.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So let us assume that Israel is an anachronism and a historical mistake without which the Arab-Islamic world stretching from Algeria to Egypt, from Syria to Pakistan, would be a far happier place, above all because the original sin, the establishment of Israel, never would have been committed. Then letâs move from the past to the present, pretending that we could wave a mighty magic wand, and âpoof,â Israel disappears from the map.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Civilization of Clashes&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let us start the what-if procession in 1948, when Israel was born in war. Would stillbirth have nipped the Palestinian problem in the bud? Not quite. Egypt, Transjordan (now Jordan), Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon marched on Haifa and Tel Aviv not to liberate Palestine, but to grab it. The invasion was a textbook competitive power play by neighboring states intent on acquiring territory for themselves. If they had been victorious, a Palestinian state would not have emerged, and there still would have been plenty of refugees. (Recall that half the population of Kuwait fled Iraqi dictator Saddam Husseinâs âliberationâ of that country in 1990.) Indeed, assuming that Palestinian nationalism had awakened when it did in the late 1960s and 1970s, the Palestinians might now be dispatching suicide bombers to Egypt, Syria, and elsewhere.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let us imagine Israel had disappeared in 1967, instead of occupying the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, which were held, respectively, by Jordanâs King Hussein and Egyptâs President Gamal Abdel Nasser. Would they have relinquished their possessions to Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat and thrown in Haifa and Tel Aviv for good measure? Not likely. The two potentates, enemies in all but name, were united only by their common hatred and fear of Arafat, the founder of Fatah (the Palestine National Liberation Movement) and rightly suspected of plotting against Arab regimes. In short, the âroot causeâ of Palestinian statelessness would have persisted, even in Israelâs absence.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let us finally assume, through a thought experiment, that Israel goes âpoofâ today. How would this development affect the political pathologies of the Middle East? Only those who think the Palestinian issue is at the core of the Middle East conflict would lightly predict a happy career for this most dysfunctional region once Israel vanishes. For there is no such thing as âtheâ conflict. A quick count reveals five ways in which the regionâs fortunes would remain stuntedâor worse:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;States vs. States: Israelâs elimination from the regional balance would hardly bolster intra-Arab amity. The retraction of the colonial powers, Britain and France, in the mid-20th century left behind a bunch of young Arab states seeking to redraw the map of the region. From the very beginning, Syria laid claim to Lebanon. In 1970, only the Israeli military deterred Damascus from invading Jordan under the pretext of supporting a Palestinian uprising. Throughout the 1950s and 1960s, Nasserâs Egypt proclaimed itself the avatar of pan-Arabism, intervening in Yemen during the 1960s. Nasserâs successor, President Anwar Sadat, was embroiled in on-and-off clashes with Libya throughout the late 1970s. Syria marched into Lebanon in 1976 and then effectively annexed the country 15 years later, and Iraq launched two wars against fellow Muslim states: Iran in 1980, Kuwait in 1990. The war against Iran was the longest conventional war of the 20th century. None of these conflicts is related to the Israeli-Palestinian one. Indeed, Israelâs disappearance would only liberate military assets for use in such internal rivalries.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Believers vs. Believers: Those who think that the Middle East conflict is a âMuslim-Jewish thingâ had better take a closer look at the score card: 14 years of sectarian bloodshed in Lebanon; Saddamâs campaign of extinction against the Shia in the aftermath of the first Gulf War; Syriaâs massacre of 20,000 people in the Muslim Brotherhood stronghold of Hama in 1982; and terrorist violence against Egyptian Christians in the 1990s. Add to this tally intraconfessional oppression, such as in Saudi Arabia, where the fundamentalist Wahhabi sect wields the truncheon of state power to inflict its dour lifestyle on the less devout.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ideologies vs. Ideologies: Zionism is not the only âismâ in the region, which is rife with competing ideologies. Even though the Baathist parties in Syria and Iraq sprang from the same fascist European roots, both have vied for precedence in the Middle East. Nasser wielded pan-Arabism-cum-socialism against the Arab nation-state. And both Baathists and Nasserites have opposed the monarchies, such as in Jordan. Khomeinist Iran and Wahhabite Saudi Arabia remain mortal enemies. What is the connection to the Arab-Israeli conflict? Nil, with the exception of Hamas, a terror army of the faithful once supported by Israel as a rival to the Palestine Liberation Organization and now responsible for many suicide bombings in Israel. But will Hamas disband once Israel is gone? Hardly. Hamas has bigger ambitions than eliminating the âZionist entity.â The organization seeks nothing less than a unified Arab state under a regime of God.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Reactionary Utopia vs. Modernity: A common enmity toward Israel is the only thing that prevents Arab modernizers and traditionalists from tearing their societies apart. Fundamentalists vie against secularists and reformist Muslims for the fusion of mosque and state under the green flag of the Prophet. And a barely concealed class struggle pits a minuscule bourgeoisie and millions of unemployed young men against the power structure, usually a form of statist cronyism that controls the means of production. Far from creating tensions, Israel actually contains the antagonisms in the world around it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regimes vs. Peoples: The existence of Israel cannot explain the breadth and depth of the Mukhabarat states (secret police states) throughout the Middle East. With the exceptions of Jordan, Morocco, and the Gulf sheikdoms, which gingerly practice an enlightened monarchism, all Arab countries (plus Iran and Pakistan) are but variations of despotismâfrom the dynastic dictatorship of Syria to the authoritarianism of Egypt. Intranational strife in Algeria has killed nearly 100,000, with no letup in sight. Saddamâs victims are said to number 300,000. After the Khomeinists took power in 1979, Iran was embroiled not only in the Iran-Iraq War but also in barely contained civil unrest into the 1980s. Pakistan is an explosion waiting to happen. Ruthless suppression is the price of stability in this region.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Again, it would take a florid imagination to surmise that factoring Israel out of the Middle East equation would produce liberal democracy in the region. It might be plausible to argue that the dialectic of enmity somehow favors dictatorship in âfrontline statesâ such as Egypt and Syriaâgovernments that invoke the proximity of the âZionist threatâ as a pretext to suppress dissent. But how then to explain the mayhem in faraway Algeria, the bizarre cult-of-personality regime in Libya, the pious kleptocracy of Saudi Arabia, the clerical despotism of Iran, or democracyâs enduring failure to take root in Pakistan? Did Israel somehow cause the various putsches that produced the republic of fear in Iraq? If Jordan, the state sharing the longest border with Israel, can experiment with constitutional monarchy, why not Syria?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It wonât do to lay the democracy and development deficits of the Arab world on the doorstep of the Jewish state. Israel is a pretext, not a cause, and therefore its dispatch will not heal the self-inflicted wounds of the Arab-Islamic world. Nor will the mild version of âstatocide,â a binational state, do the trickânot in view of the âcivilization of clashesâ (to borrow a term from British historian Niall Ferguson) that is the hallmark of Arab political culture. The mortal struggle between Israelis and Palestinians would simply shift from the outside to the inside.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My Enemy, Myself&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Can anybody proclaim in good conscience that these dysfunctionalities of the Arab world would vanish along with Israel? Two U.N. âArab Human Development Reports,â written by Arab authors, say no. The calamities are homemade. Stagnation and hopelessness have three root causes. The first is lack of freedom. The United Nations cites the persistence of absolute autocracies, bogus elections, judiciaries beholden to executives, and constraints on civil society. Freedom of expression and association are also sharply limited. The second root cause is lack of knowledge: Sixty-five million adults are illiterate, and some 10 million children have no schooling at all. As such, the Arab world is dropping ever further behind in scientific research and the development of information technology. Third, female participation in political and economic life is the lowest in the world. Economic growth will continue to lag as long as the potential of half the population remains largely untapped.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Will all of this right itself when that Judeo-Western insult to Arab pride finally vanishes? Will the millions of unemployed and bored young men, cannon fodder for the terrorists, vanish as wellâalong with one-party rule, corruption, and closed economies? This notion makes sense only if one cherishes single-cause explanations or, worse, harbors a particular animus against the Jewish state and its refusal to behave like Sweden. (Come to think of it, Sweden would not be Sweden either if it lived in the Hobbesian world of the Middle East.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Finally, the most popular what-if issue of them all: Would the Islamic world hate the United States less if Israel vanished? Like all what-if queries, this one, too, admits only suggestive evidence. To begin, the notion that 5 million Jews are solely responsible for the rage of 1 billion or so Muslims cannot carry the weight assigned to it. Second, Arab-Islamic hatreds of the United States preceded the conquest of the West Bank and Gaza. Recall the loathing left behind by the U.S.-managed coup that restored the shahâs rule in Tehran in 1953, or the U.S. intervention in Lebanon in 1958. As soon as Britain and France left the Middle East, the United States became the dominant power and the No. 1 target. Another bit of suggestive evidence is that the fiercest (unofficial) anti-Americanism emanates from Washingtonâs self-styled allies in the Arab Middle East, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Is this situation because of Israelâor because it is so convenient for these regimes to âbusy giddy minds with foreign quarrelsâ (as Shakespeareâs Henry IV put it) to distract their populations from their dependence on the âGreat Satanâ?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Take the Cairo Declaration against âU.S. hegemony,â endorsed by 400 delegates from across the Middle East and the West in December 2002. The lengthy indictment mentions Palestine only peripherally. The central condemnation, uttered in profuse variation, targets the United States for monopolizing power âwithin the framework of capitalist globalization,â for reinstating âcolonialism,â and for blocking the âemergence of forces that would shift the balance of power toward multi-polarity.â In short, Global America is responsible for all the afflictions of the Arab world, with Israel coming in a distant second.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This familiar tale has an ironic twist: One of the key signers is Nader Fergany, lead author of the 2002 U.N. Arab Human Development Report. So even those who confess to the internal failures of the Arab world end up blaming âthe Other.â Given the enormity of the indictment, ditching Israel will not absolve the United States. Iranâs Khomeinists have it right, so to speak, when they denounce America as the âGreat Satanâ and Israel only as the âLittle Satan,â a handmaiden of U.S. power. What really riles America-haters in the Middle East is Washingtonâs intrusion into their affairs, be it for reasons of oil, terrorism, or weapons of mass destruction. This fact is why Osama bin Laden, having attached himself to the Palestinian cause only as an afterthought, calls the Americans the new crusaders, and the Jews their imperialist stand-ins.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;None of this is to argue in favor of Israelâs continued occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, nor to excuse the cruel hardship it imposes on the Palestinians, which is pernicious, even for Israelâs own soul. But as this analysis suggests, the real source of Arab angst is the West as a palpable symbol of misery and an irresistible target of what noted Middle East scholar Fouad Ajami has called âArab rage.â The puzzle is why so many Westerners, like those who signed the Cairo Declaration, believe otherwise.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is this anti-Semitism, as so many Jews are quick to suspect? No, but denying Israelâs legitimacy bears an uncanny resemblance to some central features of this darkest of creeds. Accordingly, the Jews are omnipotent, ubiquitous, and thus responsible for the evils of the world. Today, Israel finds itself in an analogous position, either as handmaiden or manipulator of U.S. might. The soft version sighs: âIf only Israel were more reasonableâ¦â The semihard version demands that âthe United States pull the rug out from under Israelâ to impose the pliancy that comes from impotence. And the hard-hard version dreams about salvation springing from Israelâs disappearance.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why, sureâif it werenât for that old joke from Israelâs War of Independence: While the bullets were whistling overhead and the two Jews in their foxhole were running out of rounds, one griped, âIf the Brits had to give us a country not their own, why couldnât they have given us Switzerland?â Alas, Israel is just a strip of land in the worldâs most noxious neighborhood, and the cleanup hasnât even begun.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Josef Joffe is the publisher of Die Zeit, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, and distinguished fellow at the Institute for International Studies, both at Stanford University. &lt;/p&gt;

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By Josef Joffe<br />
Foreign Policy | March 11, 2005</p>
<p>Since World War II, no state has suffered so cruel a reversal of fortunes as Israel. Admired all the way into the 1970s as the state of âthose plucky Jewsâ who survived against all odds and made democracy and the desert bloom in a climate hostile to both liberty and greenery, Israel has become the target of creeping delegitimization. The denigration comes in two guises. The first, the soft version, blames Israel first and most for whatever ails the Middle East, and for having corrupted U.S. foreign policy. It is the standard fare of editorials around the world, not to mention the sheer venom oozing from the pages of the Arab-Islamic press. The more recent hard version zeroes in on Israelâs very existence. According to this dispensation, it is Israel as such, and not its behavior, that lies at the root of troubles in the Middle East. Hence the âstatocidalâ conclusion that Israelâs birth, midwifed by both the United States and the Soviet Union in 1948, was a grievous mistake, grandiose and worthy as it may have been at the time. </p>
<p>The soft version is familiar enough. One motif is the âwagging the dogâ theory. Thus, in the United States, the âJewish lobbyâ and a cabal of neoconservatives have bamboozled the Bush administration into a mindless pro-Israel policy inimical to the national interest. This view attributes, as has happened so often in history, too much clout to the Jews. And behind this charge lurks a more general oneâthat it is somehow antidemocratic for subnational groups to throw themselves into the hurly-burly of politics when it comes to foreign policy. But let us count the ways in which subnational entities battle over the national interest: unions and corporations clamor for tariffs and tax loopholes; nongovernmental organizations agitate for humanitarian intervention; and Cuban Americans keep us from smoking cheroots from the Vuelta Abajo. In previous years, Poles militated in favor of Solidarity, African Americans against Apartheid South Africa, and Latvians against the Soviet Union. In other words, the democratic melee has never stopped at the waterâs edge.</p>
<p>Another soft version is the âroot-causeâ theory in its many variations. Because the âobstinateâ and ârecalcitrantâ Israelis are the main culprits, they must be punished and pushed back for the sake of peace. âPut pressure on Israelâ; âcut economic and military aidâ; âserve them notice that we will not condone their brutalitiesââthese have been the boilerplate homilies, indeed the obsessions, of the chattering classes and the foreign-office establishment for decades. Yet, as Sigmund Freud reminded us, obsessions tend to spread. And so there are ever more creative addenda to the well-wrought root-cause theory. Anatol Lieven of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace argues that what is happening between Israelis and Palestinians is a âtremendous obstacle to democratization because it inflames all the worst, most regressive aspects of Arab nationalism and Arab culture.â In other words, the conflict drives the pathology, and not the other way aroundâwhich is like the streetfighter explaining to the police: âIt all started when this guy hit back.â</p>
<p>The problem with this root-cause argument is threefold: It blurs, if not reverses, cause and effect. It ignores a myriad of conflicts unrelated to Israel. And it absolves the Arabs of culpability, shifting the blame to you know whom. If one believes former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter, the Arab-Islamic quest for weapons of mass destruction, and by extension the war against Iraq, are also Made in Israel. â[A]s long as Israel has nuclear weapons,â Ritter opines, âit has chosen to take a path that is inherently confrontational.â¦Now the Arab countries, the Muslim world, is not about to sit back and let this happen, so they will seek their own deterrent. We saw this in Iraq, not only with a nuclear deterrent but also with a biological weapons deterrentâ¦that the Iraqis were developing to offset the Israeli nuclear superiority.â</p>
<p>This theory would be engaging if it did not collide with some inconvenient facts. Iraqis didnât use their weapons of mass destruction against the Israeli usurper but against fellow Muslims during the Iran-Iraq War, and against fellow Iraqis in the poison-gas attack against Kurds in Halabja in 1988âneither of whom were brandishing any nuclear weapons. As for the Iraqi nuclear program, we now have the âDuelfer Report,â based on the debriefing of Iraqi regime loyalists, which concluded: âIran was the pre-eminent motivator of this policy. All senior-level Iraqi officials considered Iran to be Iraqâs principal enemy in the region. The wish to balance Israel and acquire status and influence in the Arab world were also considerations, but secondary.â</p>
<p>Now to the hard version. Ever so subtly, a more baleful tone slips into this narrative: Israel is not merely an unruly neighbor but an unwelcome intruder. Still timidly uttered outside the Arab world, this versionâs proponents in the West bestride the stage as truth-sayers who dare to defy taboo. Thus, the British writer A.N. Wilson declares that he has reluctantly come to the conclusion that Israel, through its own actions, has proven it does not have the right to exist. And, following Sept. 11, 2001, Brazilian scholar Jose Arthur Giannotti said: âLet us agree that the history of the Middle East would be entirely different without the State of Israel, which opened a wound between Islam and the West. Can you get rid of Muslim terrorism without getting rid of this wound which is the source of the frustration of potential terrorists?â</p>
<p>The very idea of a Jewish state is an âanachronism,â argues Tony Judt, a professor and director of the Remarque Institute at New York University. It resembles a âlate-nineteenth-century separatist projectâ that has âno placeâ in this wondrous new world moving toward the teleological perfection of multiethnic and multicultural togetherness bound together by international law. The time has come to âthink the unthinkable,â hence, to ditch this Jewish state for a binational one, guaranteed, of course, by international force.</p>
<p>So let us assume that Israel is an anachronism and a historical mistake without which the Arab-Islamic world stretching from Algeria to Egypt, from Syria to Pakistan, would be a far happier place, above all because the original sin, the establishment of Israel, never would have been committed. Then letâs move from the past to the present, pretending that we could wave a mighty magic wand, and âpoof,â Israel disappears from the map.</p>
<p>Civilization of Clashes</p>
<p>Let us start the what-if procession in 1948, when Israel was born in war. Would stillbirth have nipped the Palestinian problem in the bud? Not quite. Egypt, Transjordan (now Jordan), Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon marched on Haifa and Tel Aviv not to liberate Palestine, but to grab it. The invasion was a textbook competitive power play by neighboring states intent on acquiring territory for themselves. If they had been victorious, a Palestinian state would not have emerged, and there still would have been plenty of refugees. (Recall that half the population of Kuwait fled Iraqi dictator Saddam Husseinâs âliberationâ of that country in 1990.) Indeed, assuming that Palestinian nationalism had awakened when it did in the late 1960s and 1970s, the Palestinians might now be dispatching suicide bombers to Egypt, Syria, and elsewhere.</p>
<p>Let us imagine Israel had disappeared in 1967, instead of occupying the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, which were held, respectively, by Jordanâs King Hussein and Egyptâs President Gamal Abdel Nasser. Would they have relinquished their possessions to Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat and thrown in Haifa and Tel Aviv for good measure? Not likely. The two potentates, enemies in all but name, were united only by their common hatred and fear of Arafat, the founder of Fatah (the Palestine National Liberation Movement) and rightly suspected of plotting against Arab regimes. In short, the âroot causeâ of Palestinian statelessness would have persisted, even in Israelâs absence.</p>
<p>Let us finally assume, through a thought experiment, that Israel goes âpoofâ today. How would this development affect the political pathologies of the Middle East? Only those who think the Palestinian issue is at the core of the Middle East conflict would lightly predict a happy career for this most dysfunctional region once Israel vanishes. For there is no such thing as âtheâ conflict. A quick count reveals five ways in which the regionâs fortunes would remain stuntedâor worse:</p>
<p>States vs. States: Israelâs elimination from the regional balance would hardly bolster intra-Arab amity. The retraction of the colonial powers, Britain and France, in the mid-20th century left behind a bunch of young Arab states seeking to redraw the map of the region. From the very beginning, Syria laid claim to Lebanon. In 1970, only the Israeli military deterred Damascus from invading Jordan under the pretext of supporting a Palestinian uprising. Throughout the 1950s and 1960s, Nasserâs Egypt proclaimed itself the avatar of pan-Arabism, intervening in Yemen during the 1960s. Nasserâs successor, President Anwar Sadat, was embroiled in on-and-off clashes with Libya throughout the late 1970s. Syria marched into Lebanon in 1976 and then effectively annexed the country 15 years later, and Iraq launched two wars against fellow Muslim states: Iran in 1980, Kuwait in 1990. The war against Iran was the longest conventional war of the 20th century. None of these conflicts is related to the Israeli-Palestinian one. Indeed, Israelâs disappearance would only liberate military assets for use in such internal rivalries.</p>
<p>Believers vs. Believers: Those who think that the Middle East conflict is a âMuslim-Jewish thingâ had better take a closer look at the score card: 14 years of sectarian bloodshed in Lebanon; Saddamâs campaign of extinction against the Shia in the aftermath of the first Gulf War; Syriaâs massacre of 20,000 people in the Muslim Brotherhood stronghold of Hama in 1982; and terrorist violence against Egyptian Christians in the 1990s. Add to this tally intraconfessional oppression, such as in Saudi Arabia, where the fundamentalist Wahhabi sect wields the truncheon of state power to inflict its dour lifestyle on the less devout.</p>
<p>Ideologies vs. Ideologies: Zionism is not the only âismâ in the region, which is rife with competing ideologies. Even though the Baathist parties in Syria and Iraq sprang from the same fascist European roots, both have vied for precedence in the Middle East. Nasser wielded pan-Arabism-cum-socialism against the Arab nation-state. And both Baathists and Nasserites have opposed the monarchies, such as in Jordan. Khomeinist Iran and Wahhabite Saudi Arabia remain mortal enemies. What is the connection to the Arab-Israeli conflict? Nil, with the exception of Hamas, a terror army of the faithful once supported by Israel as a rival to the Palestine Liberation Organization and now responsible for many suicide bombings in Israel. But will Hamas disband once Israel is gone? Hardly. Hamas has bigger ambitions than eliminating the âZionist entity.â The organization seeks nothing less than a unified Arab state under a regime of God.</p>
<p>Reactionary Utopia vs. Modernity: A common enmity toward Israel is the only thing that prevents Arab modernizers and traditionalists from tearing their societies apart. Fundamentalists vie against secularists and reformist Muslims for the fusion of mosque and state under the green flag of the Prophet. And a barely concealed class struggle pits a minuscule bourgeoisie and millions of unemployed young men against the power structure, usually a form of statist cronyism that controls the means of production. Far from creating tensions, Israel actually contains the antagonisms in the world around it.</p>
<p>Regimes vs. Peoples: The existence of Israel cannot explain the breadth and depth of the Mukhabarat states (secret police states) throughout the Middle East. With the exceptions of Jordan, Morocco, and the Gulf sheikdoms, which gingerly practice an enlightened monarchism, all Arab countries (plus Iran and Pakistan) are but variations of despotismâfrom the dynastic dictatorship of Syria to the authoritarianism of Egypt. Intranational strife in Algeria has killed nearly 100,000, with no letup in sight. Saddamâs victims are said to number 300,000. After the Khomeinists took power in 1979, Iran was embroiled not only in the Iran-Iraq War but also in barely contained civil unrest into the 1980s. Pakistan is an explosion waiting to happen. Ruthless suppression is the price of stability in this region.</p>
<p>Again, it would take a florid imagination to surmise that factoring Israel out of the Middle East equation would produce liberal democracy in the region. It might be plausible to argue that the dialectic of enmity somehow favors dictatorship in âfrontline statesâ such as Egypt and Syriaâgovernments that invoke the proximity of the âZionist threatâ as a pretext to suppress dissent. But how then to explain the mayhem in faraway Algeria, the bizarre cult-of-personality regime in Libya, the pious kleptocracy of Saudi Arabia, the clerical despotism of Iran, or democracyâs enduring failure to take root in Pakistan? Did Israel somehow cause the various putsches that produced the republic of fear in Iraq? If Jordan, the state sharing the longest border with Israel, can experiment with constitutional monarchy, why not Syria?</p>
<p>It wonât do to lay the democracy and development deficits of the Arab world on the doorstep of the Jewish state. Israel is a pretext, not a cause, and therefore its dispatch will not heal the self-inflicted wounds of the Arab-Islamic world. Nor will the mild version of âstatocide,â a binational state, do the trickânot in view of the âcivilization of clashesâ (to borrow a term from British historian Niall Ferguson) that is the hallmark of Arab political culture. The mortal struggle between Israelis and Palestinians would simply shift from the outside to the inside.</p>
<p>My Enemy, Myself</p>
<p>Can anybody proclaim in good conscience that these dysfunctionalities of the Arab world would vanish along with Israel? Two U.N. âArab Human Development Reports,â written by Arab authors, say no. The calamities are homemade. Stagnation and hopelessness have three root causes. The first is lack of freedom. The United Nations cites the persistence of absolute autocracies, bogus elections, judiciaries beholden to executives, and constraints on civil society. Freedom of expression and association are also sharply limited. The second root cause is lack of knowledge: Sixty-five million adults are illiterate, and some 10 million children have no schooling at all. As such, the Arab world is dropping ever further behind in scientific research and the development of information technology. Third, female participation in political and economic life is the lowest in the world. Economic growth will continue to lag as long as the potential of half the population remains largely untapped.</p>
<p>Will all of this right itself when that Judeo-Western insult to Arab pride finally vanishes? Will the millions of unemployed and bored young men, cannon fodder for the terrorists, vanish as wellâalong with one-party rule, corruption, and closed economies? This notion makes sense only if one cherishes single-cause explanations or, worse, harbors a particular animus against the Jewish state and its refusal to behave like Sweden. (Come to think of it, Sweden would not be Sweden either if it lived in the Hobbesian world of the Middle East.)</p>
<p>Finally, the most popular what-if issue of them all: Would the Islamic world hate the United States less if Israel vanished? Like all what-if queries, this one, too, admits only suggestive evidence. To begin, the notion that 5 million Jews are solely responsible for the rage of 1 billion or so Muslims cannot carry the weight assigned to it. Second, Arab-Islamic hatreds of the United States preceded the conquest of the West Bank and Gaza. Recall the loathing left behind by the U.S.-managed coup that restored the shahâs rule in Tehran in 1953, or the U.S. intervention in Lebanon in 1958. As soon as Britain and France left the Middle East, the United States became the dominant power and the No. 1 target. Another bit of suggestive evidence is that the fiercest (unofficial) anti-Americanism emanates from Washingtonâs self-styled allies in the Arab Middle East, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Is this situation because of Israelâor because it is so convenient for these regimes to âbusy giddy minds with foreign quarrelsâ (as Shakespeareâs Henry IV put it) to distract their populations from their dependence on the âGreat Satanâ?</p>
<p>Take the Cairo Declaration against âU.S. hegemony,â endorsed by 400 delegates from across the Middle East and the West in December 2002. The lengthy indictment mentions Palestine only peripherally. The central condemnation, uttered in profuse variation, targets the United States for monopolizing power âwithin the framework of capitalist globalization,â for reinstating âcolonialism,â and for blocking the âemergence of forces that would shift the balance of power toward multi-polarity.â In short, Global America is responsible for all the afflictions of the Arab world, with Israel coming in a distant second.</p>
<p>This familiar tale has an ironic twist: One of the key signers is Nader Fergany, lead author of the 2002 U.N. Arab Human Development Report. So even those who confess to the internal failures of the Arab world end up blaming âthe Other.â Given the enormity of the indictment, ditching Israel will not absolve the United States. Iranâs Khomeinists have it right, so to speak, when they denounce America as the âGreat Satanâ and Israel only as the âLittle Satan,â a handmaiden of U.S. power. What really riles America-haters in the Middle East is Washingtonâs intrusion into their affairs, be it for reasons of oil, terrorism, or weapons of mass destruction. This fact is why Osama bin Laden, having attached himself to the Palestinian cause only as an afterthought, calls the Americans the new crusaders, and the Jews their imperialist stand-ins.</p>
<p>None of this is to argue in favor of Israelâs continued occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, nor to excuse the cruel hardship it imposes on the Palestinians, which is pernicious, even for Israelâs own soul. But as this analysis suggests, the real source of Arab angst is the West as a palpable symbol of misery and an irresistible target of what noted Middle East scholar Fouad Ajami has called âArab rage.â The puzzle is why so many Westerners, like those who signed the Cairo Declaration, believe otherwise.</p>
<p>Is this anti-Semitism, as so many Jews are quick to suspect? No, but denying Israelâs legitimacy bears an uncanny resemblance to some central features of this darkest of creeds. Accordingly, the Jews are omnipotent, ubiquitous, and thus responsible for the evils of the world. Today, Israel finds itself in an analogous position, either as handmaiden or manipulator of U.S. might. The soft version sighs: âIf only Israel were more reasonableâ¦â The semihard version demands that âthe United States pull the rug out from under Israelâ to impose the pliancy that comes from impotence. And the hard-hard version dreams about salvation springing from Israelâs disappearance.</p>
<p>Why, sureâif it werenât for that old joke from Israelâs War of Independence: While the bullets were whistling overhead and the two Jews in their foxhole were running out of rounds, one griped, âIf the Brits had to give us a country not their own, why couldnât they have given us Switzerland?â Alas, Israel is just a strip of land in the worldâs most noxious neighborhood, and the cleanup hasnât even begun.</p>
<p>Josef Joffe is the publisher of Die Zeit, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, and distinguished fellow at the Institute for International Studies, both at Stanford University. </p>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear Asshole Steve R.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Which part of &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Adam Horowitz writes:&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;are you having trouble understanding?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;PM &lt;br /&gt;
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<p>Which part of </p>
<p>&quot;Adam Horowitz writes:&quot;</p>
<p>are you having trouble understanding?</p>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;its jewish universalism....while the zionist jews imprison and kill palestinians...other more liberal jews bemoan the sad state of affairs there and wish upon a star for the universe to heal itself...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;i wonder if there was nazi universalism during the holocaust years....where the ss nazis imprisoned and murdered jews while the good nazis bemoaned the sad state of affairs in the fatherland and wished upon a midnight dreary for the sad state of affairs in der fatherland to change.&lt;/p&gt;

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whats the difference....&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its jewish universalism&#8230;.while the zionist jews imprison and kill palestinians&#8230;other more liberal jews bemoan the sad state of affairs there and wish upon a star for the universe to heal itself&#8230;</p>
<p>i wonder if there was nazi universalism during the holocaust years&#8230;.where the ss nazis imprisoned and murdered jews while the good nazis bemoaned the sad state of affairs in the fatherland and wished upon a midnight dreary for the sad state of affairs in der fatherland to change.</p>
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whats the difference&#8230;.</p>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Because jewish liberation has been sought through jewish colonialism, the necessary consequence of jewish liberation is the starving of Gaza. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because jewish liberation has been sought through jewish colonialism, the necessary consequence of jewish liberation is the starving of Gaza. </p>
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		<title>By: Sin Nombre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sin Nombre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joseph:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The entire problem with that long piece you posted by Joffe is that he admits precisely that which eviscerates the entire rest of his complaint. After all in his very own second sentence he states &quot;Admired all the way into the 1970s...&quot;, which is exactly right. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Up until it started colonizing land that did not belong to it there was essentially no real meaningful dispute about Israel&#039;s legitimacy. But it has continued that colonization despite even its closest ally and patron the U.S. saying that such colonization is wrong and an obstacle to peace. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So now tell us what complaint Mr. Joffe rightfully has? That Israel has the right to do what he himself condemns but then also to determine the limits of the criticism that engenders? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I hope that Israel proper survives, but if it doesn&#039;t, and regardless of what other damage it sustains, it&#039;s nobody else&#039;s fault except its own. You don&#039;t have the right to go stealing other people&#039;s possessions and then start telling them and the rest of the world how wrong or evil they are in their choice of how much to condemn you for it. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Israel has made its own moral bed and complaints about how uncomfortable it is for it to lie in it now ring hollow even in my ears. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph:</p>
<p>The entire problem with that long piece you posted by Joffe is that he admits precisely that which eviscerates the entire rest of his complaint. After all in his very own second sentence he states &quot;Admired all the way into the 1970s&#8230;&quot;, which is exactly right. </p>
<p>Up until it started colonizing land that did not belong to it there was essentially no real meaningful dispute about Israel&#39;s legitimacy. But it has continued that colonization despite even its closest ally and patron the U.S. saying that such colonization is wrong and an obstacle to peace. </p>
<p>So now tell us what complaint Mr. Joffe rightfully has? That Israel has the right to do what he himself condemns but then also to determine the limits of the criticism that engenders? </p>
<p>I hope that Israel proper survives, but if it doesn&#39;t, and regardless of what other damage it sustains, it&#39;s nobody else&#39;s fault except its own. You don&#39;t have the right to go stealing other people&#39;s possessions and then start telling them and the rest of the world how wrong or evil they are in their choice of how much to condemn you for it. </p>
<p>Israel has made its own moral bed and complaints about how uncomfortable it is for it to lie in it now ring hollow even in my ears. </p>
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		<title>By: otto</title>
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		<dc:creator>otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dont disagree with Sin Nombre really, but I think that the change of view on Israel only has partly to do with the post-1967 colonisation, and much more to do with the general victory of anti-colonial attitudes in Europe and the US from 1970s onwards, much of which delegitimates what jewish colonialism had done up to 1967, just as it delegitimated what the South Africans whites had prior to 1970 as much as their actions after that point. After all the post-1967 colonisations and ethnic cleansings are just the latest in a series from 1917.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont disagree with Sin Nombre really, but I think that the change of view on Israel only has partly to do with the post-1967 colonisation, and much more to do with the general victory of anti-colonial attitudes in Europe and the US from 1970s onwards, much of which delegitimates what jewish colonialism had done up to 1967, just as it delegitimated what the South Africans whites had prior to 1970 as much as their actions after that point. After all the post-1967 colonisations and ethnic cleansings are just the latest in a series from 1917.</p>
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