Dear reader: This link will take you to a page at the Council on Foreign Relations. I believe it is the Council on Foreign Relations of the United States of America. But I might be wrong. On the lower right, you will find a box devoted to "Israel's Enemies." About the Council on Foreign Relations: Membership is restricted to U.S. citizens, or permanent residents who have formally applied for citizenship. Would they ever create a box outlining "Japan's Enemies." Or "India's Adversaries"? "Finland's Foes"? "Banes of Britain?" I think not.
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I think you will find that the organizations like the CFR, itself a lobby, concentrate equally on similar forms of threat to South Korea, since the ROK is threatened by a nuclear-armed adversary (DPRK) that commits acts of terror against it at home and abroad, kidnaps its citizens, refuses to recognize it, and maintains a mobilized army on its borders which are still an internationally-unrecognized temporary ceasefire line. Seoul is also "too close" to the internationally-unrecognized temporary cease-fire line, like Jerusalem.
Certainly on the West Coast, Korean-Americans lobby for the maintenance in ROK of 50,000 US troops who have been slated for "withdrawal" since the Clinton years, under chemical and nuclear threat DAILY, a level of both support and risk Israel has never asked for. But they are not Jews, so Israel must be sui generis.
Not to speak of the US troop commitments to Saudi/UAE and the naval commitment in favor of Bahrain/Qatar vs. Iran. But not all of our Semitic friends abroad, no matter how manipulative their funding in the States, come in for censure on this blog.
This is a joint project with the Saban Center. Martin Indyk is their big name.
Haim Saban is the 102nd richest man in the US. Born in Alexandria, Egypt, he has lived in Israel, Paris, and Los Angeles.
Follow the money.
Weren't there Iraqi exiles promoting the Iraq war before it happened? But they aren't Jews so it doesn't matter to Phil.
What about 'em Cubans? Not Jews so it doesn't matter what influence they have on foreign policy towards Cuba. Embargo?
It's like the Jews are from a different planet so they don't have any right to handle Earth affairs.
Eurosabra,
Korean lobby? Are you nuts? Most South Koreans and Korean Americans think the US troops are no longer needed. Polls after polls show that South Koreans want them withdrawn. Korean Americans play no role in the presence of US troops in the Korean Peninsula.
http://www.csis.org/media/csis/pubs/08-03-25_k-factor_english.pdf
In the 2007 CSIS report, Congressional Attitudes on the Future of the U.S.-South Korea Relationship, it was noted that:
As a whole, Korean-Americans play a limited role in influencing Congress on Korea related issues, with the exception of encouraging Congress to pass legislation highlighting North Korean human rights abuses.
In general, members of Congress with large Korean-American communities are not leading players on issues such as U.S.troop presence in South Korea, the threat posed by North Korea, or the KORUS [Korean-U.S. Free Trade Agreement].
so Israel must be sui generis
If the shoe fits…
It's like the Jews are from a different planet
Jewpiter?
No Micheal – Iraqi exiles were not actively promoting the war in any great numbers.
I don't see your point.
If your trying to say the Israel lobby is comparable to others – you are wrong.
Hey go easy on Michael W. The fear of imminent holy-coasting has rendered him hysterical.
Some from Sabraturn. The SOG is definitely from Jewranus.
Michael W and Eurosabra don't want Americans to know the Jewish Zionists are operating a shadow government in America with its own agenda, interests, ideology, and foreign policy.
Eurosabra, I really think Israel would be better off in the long run of its government quit recruiting and encouraging American Jewish Zionists to subversively undermine and betray their own country and its interests, which is a very left-wing internationalist enterprise. On the one hand you Jewish nationalists complain about how the Left has cast Israel; on the other hand you encourage diaspora Jews to employ their subversive skills and cells honed as Trotskyite socialists, you encourage their left-wing universalist mentality and multi-cultural advocacy because it is conducive to Jewish Zionist penetration of the US government, but after encouraging this leftism, you complain that the ascendant Left has successfully casts Israel as "racist" and is destroying its chances for survival. Make up your minds. Do you want to cultivate leftism or do you want to cultivate conservatism?
I suppose from a purely Jewish nationalist perspective, encouraging treason by diaspora Jewish Zionists both advances Israeli interests and increases anti-Semitism, which ultimately encourages aliyah, but no man is an island. What you Jewish nationalists are ultimately doing is pissing off both the Left and the Right in the West, as if you don’t have enough enemies already. Do you really think Israel is going to be able to fly off the planet like a space ship once the ingathering is complete? Why don’t you people think a few more moves down the chess board?
"Do you really think Israel is going to be able to fly off the planet like a space ship once the ingathering is complete?"
Err, well… yes! After orbiting their six-pointed star for a while (technically a brown dwarf) they plan some form of crapture towards Jewranus. That's why they always carry a considerable amount of cash, especially when they practice elevator falling (a form of jewstronaut training which sometimes ends badly.)
"imminent holy-coasting"
Not funny.
Nobody said anything Cuban Americans.
@Ed,
You are a traitor to American values. An American patriot fights for the American people. Not some fantasy of a "Christian revival"(whatever that means) which betrays what our founding fathers fought for, and it betrays your fellow citizens.
This is a nation follows the rule of law. Just because you don't like or disagree with some of the things your fellow citizens do/believe/support, it doesn't mean that it's illegal. Branding a political group as illegal is against democratic values.
All men (and women) are created in God's image. That means we all have rights, not just Christians. We are allowed to exercise the same rights as you.
"with its own agenda, interests, ideology, and foreign policy. "
You have your own agenda, interests, ideology, and foreign policy.
You don't decide what America is. Americans decide what America is. We are Americans. Just because you disagree with us, does not make us any less American. When you start babbling about how we are an outside/foreign force, you betray your fellow citizens.
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
What's more American than the statue of Liberty? (I know its from France but its an American land mark.) Leaving out the I/P issue, and just focusing on America, this poem describes the America that people like George Washington fought for. Just read this: link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org
"The letter, a foundation stone of American religious liberty and the principle of separation between church and state, is signed, simply, “G. Washington.” Each year, Newport’s Congregation Kahal Kadosh Yeshuat Israel, now known as the Touro Synagogue, re-reads Washington’s letter in a public ceremony. The words deserve repetition. "
If you stop thinking that ethical discussion (Talmud, a collection of ethical discussions among Jews, ancient rabbis) is a bad thing, maybe you'll get somewhere.
Ed,
Right when you dogpile equally on the Cuban lobby, the Bosnian lobby, the Albanian lobby, the Arab oil lobby, the Irish lobby, and the Armenian lobby with your monomaniacal talk of "treason."
I actually OPPOSE the Israel Lobby as currently constituted because it gives Beria-and-Kaganovitch obsessives like you purchase on the American psyche, as if some gigantic Jewish monolith ran the USA and the USSR, as if both countries hadn't displayed murderous (in the USSR case) and exclusionary (in the USA case) anti-Semitism well into the 1960s (and beyond, for the USSR and now Russia.)
Of course, one can see a small, embattled people as the power-behind-the-throne if one is a devotee of the world's longest obsession but that doesn't change reality…
Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do, We do.
Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do, we do.
Who keeps back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do, we do.
Who robs cavefish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do, we dooooooo.
@ Eurosabra: "Right when you dogpile equally on the Cuban lobby, the Bosnian lobby, the Albanian lobby, the Arab oil lobby, the Irish lobby, and the Armenian lobby…Of course, one can see a small, embattled people as the power-behind-the-throne…"
Jews comprise under 2% of the US population, yet 18% of the new Congress, according to Forward.
link to forward.com
And all of that 18% are Jewish Zionist (give or take a possible exception or two that prove the rule). Do Cuban, Bosnian, Arab, Irish or Armenian nationalists enjoy such disproportionate representation? Any representation? No, because they don’t have a US shadow government set up to advance Jewish Zionist candidates and Jewish nationalist interests. They don’t have what Former Israeli Knesset Speaker Avraham Burg recently described as a “semi-autonomous American Jewry [structure]” built using “Zionist scaffolding.”
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/former-knesset-speaker-describes-american-jewry-as-powerful-influential-structure-built-by-zionism.html
Now who should one believe, Jewish Zionist internet activists like Eurosabra and MichaelW, or a former prominent member of the Israeli government with inside information coming straight from the horse’s mouth?
The myth of organized Jewry as “small and embattled” is “the world's longest obsession,” not anti-Semitism, although the latter indeed sprung from Jewish opportunist attempting to leverage the former into material advantage for themselves, often at the ultimate expense of the larger Jewish population. Organized Jewry seems to spring opportunistic Zionist charlatans at an alarming and ultimately self-defeating rate. I’m not the enemy; the enemy is within.
What's this? The day was good here. We had Rowan using quantum theory to solve the jewish problem, no hint how he intends to ward off destructive interaction with the environment, but hey, let the rowanian qubbalah rise to the stars. Where seems to be the place we are heading into. And now there is music. Liked it, Michael, will give my contribution too, from Genesis (as always) – In The Cage – The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway:
"In the glare of a light
I see a strange kind of sight
Of cages joined to form a star
Each person can't go very far
All tied to their things
They are netted by their strings
Free to flutter in memories of their wasted wings"
Ed is no traitor to American values, and the Statue of Liberty is just a big piece of propaganda for cheap labor. The "storm-tossed, huddled masses" didn't fight the Revolution or found the nation, and largely only started coming here after the nation was well under way.
Not all of the founding fathers favored Christianity, but they surely didn't intend for the nation to Jewish in flavor, or beholden to foreign powers. Ben Franklin was even suspicious of German Protestants!
I'm certainly not willing to accept immigrants, or their descendants, who wish to deny the nature of the country, or my my place in it.
I think Ed and Todd are not confident in America's identity. Is this true?
@Todd, (and others if you can answer)
You say: " but they surely didn't intend for the nation to Jewish in flavor".
Two questions —
[1] How is America Jewish in flavor? Just because many national representatives are of the Jewish faith does not make the nation's flavor Jewish.
[2] If America had a Christian flavor, or at least a non Jewish flavor, how would America be different? I'm not talking just about the faith of our national representatives, but in a much deeper way. How would our society be different?
@ Michael: "Just because many national representatives are of the Jewish faith does not make the nation's flavor Jewish."
If only "faith" was all it amounted to, but they subscribe to the Jewish Zionist ideology, which carries with it its own political doctrine, program and agenda, which they hide behind their faith to advance — as do hundreds of thousands of other Jewish Zionists in all manner of disciplines. Their "flavor" is Jewish supremacism and contempt for the non-Jew, which finds expression in culture, Hollywood, Wall Street, Madison Avenue and everywhere else Jewish Zionists nest in large numbers. The Founders opposed the government establishment or endorsement of any specific religion, and thus would be up in arms over Congress’ endorsement of Judaism through its underwriting of the Jewish state, and the endorsement of Islam by sending money to officially Islamic countries.
But the Founders always pre-supposed that America would remain a Christian-based country and many specifically stated that our new form of government could only work with a Christian-instructed population that understood the concepts of self responsibility and free will. Not coincidentally, the further we have removed ourselves from our Christian roots, the more disastrous our experiment in self-government has become. The day the final nail is put in the coffin of Christianity in this country will be the day the government collapses. No doubt Zionists, socialists, left-liberals, lifestyle liberals, corporatists and militarist authoritarians will be cheering that day — but only for a time. Soon they’ll be crying and begging: “Bring the Christians back. Please! We need their stability and sanity to parasite off of!”
Ed,
I am sure my poor, pious Orthodox relatives living hand-to-mouth in Brooklyn are proud to be part of the Masters of Zion running our country. I am also sure that their Congressman, and mine (although we are on opposite coasts), though a Member of The Tribe, has never actually for a moment had my interests at heart, or theirs. They bear the same interest towards Israel that I do–mainly a wish that it not be conquered by Hamas and Jihad–and I doubt you will find very many Zionists like me, who would actually PREFER that Israel be financially free to "go it alone." The question is why the Israel Lobby qua Jewish must be handled FIRST, according to your lights, as a means of killing Genrich Yagoda again and again, despite his readily verified and long-ago and quite final (indisputably so) death.
The inspiration behind the statue of liberty on both the side of France and the USA's acceptance had nothing to do with the quoted song by a later immigrant (at least she was legal). It had to do with liberty as imagined during our Revolutionary War. Open borders certainly was nowhere in sight. What nation can survive with a policy of open borders supported by cheap votes on one side and cheap
labor on the other?
Did we go to war for the Irish people? The Cubans etc? Are we banging a war drum now for a war to rescue the Kurds and give
them their own nation?
Does the bulk of our national treasure in the form of foreign aid
go year after year to any but one single country defined as for
a single people?
Is their a version of AIPAC with its special exception to the law
on foreign agencies applicable to any other group?
The matter of degree is overwhelming. The masses suspect it, but
they never get the facts through the MSM.
How would our society be different….let me count the ways, should we start with the growth of the porn industry? Hedge funds? The Federal Reserve?
Michael, I'm not confident at all in America's future, and that is because it is being torn at from all sides. If you want to deny that America was largely a British and Protestant enterprise from the beginning, then you are part of the problem.
Incidentally, "nest" and "parasite" kind of reveal the origin of your ideology, or at least endow it with a certain FLAVOR of beer-hall. 14 words much?
Not to mention, the second Gulf war, and soon, war with Iran. And let's not forget the 1965 Immigration Act…
"Soon they’ll be crying and begging: “Bring the Christians back. Please! We need their stability and sanity to parasite off of!”"
Ed, your online expressions of your own delusions does not help your argument. I'm not talking about the part on Zionism, but the quote above. Try again if you want people to actually take you seriously. Leave those type of statements off the web.
Please explain how "contempt for the non-Jew" is expressed in today's culture?
"The Founders opposed the government establishment or endorsement of any specific religion …"
Endorsing a specific religion means making that religion the state religion, forcing all to convert, flee, or die. This is really disturbing because then you go on to how the US should endorse Christianity.
"Judaism through its underwriting of the Jewish state, and the endorsement of Islam by sending money to officially Islamic countries."
Aiding allies does not endorse the allies religion. The US supported the Brits before joining WW2. It doesn't mean that the US endorsed the English Church. Double standard?
I'm not going to respond much further to your second paragraph because frankly, arguing about which religion is better is primitive pursuit.
I'll go back to the first paragraph. I suggest you read "Power, Faith, and Fantasy" by Michael Oren. Don't dismiss him with haste. He's an historian writing about America in the Middle East from 1776 to present.
Also, I suggest you read this: link to azure.org.il
It's an analysis of antisemitism. I'm not saying now that you are an antisemite (I'm not here to make accusations against people online, people I haven't met), but I think this analysis will help explain to you the root of your feelings toward the Jewish people.
Two more things, Talmud is just a collection of rabbinical discussions. Just because one guy says this or that, it doesn't mean all Jews believe in what he says. I'm sure that not every catholic interprets the Bible the same way as the Pope or any other catholic just like you don't interpret the Bible like every member in your church. I wonder what kind of church fosters your beliefs.
Finally, last week you accused my religion and by extension me, of being selfish. I don't know if you read my response but its I'll make a short restatement here. When a local church in my community burned down, it was not another church that housed that congregation for services hence after. It was the synagogue I belong to. We also have "Mitzvah Day" where we volunteer and do good deeds. I personally like to volunteer at a catholic soup kitchen downtown.
@ Todd,
The colonies were enterprises, business ventures of the British royal crown. Our revolution was against their taxes and their British/Protestant(Anglican) control. Our founding fathers did new things never seen in Europe political wise. They set up a nation fundamentally different than Britain, and the Protestant countries of Europe.
If I am part of the problem, then you find that the founding fathers were part of the problem. In no other country in the world have the Jews found a refuge and the opportunity to be part of and propel the greatest Golden Age as of yet. This isn't an exclusively Jewish Golden Age, but for all Americans. Sure, nobody liked the President of the last 8 years, but don't blame the Jews for putting him in there. I believe it was mostly Christian Protestants that made up his voting block.
@Eurosabra: 'Incidentally, "nest" and "parasite" kind of reveal the origin of your ideology'
I sometimes regret using inflammatory language, but it seems Christians and American patriots have "played nice" with Zionists for years, and gotten nothing back but a kick in the teeth and a further ratcheting of contempt and control. At some point, its time to escalate to something approximating the shrill pitch of rhetoric emanating from Zionists grind-organs. I think the country has reached that point.
Michael, I understand what the colonies were, and I understand why the colonists revolted. Understanding doesn't change the fact of who the colonists were, where they came from, and what people who revolted over taxation from the motherland would think of our current situation. We were warned.
@Todd,
"who the colonists were, where they came from"
And one of the reasons that people came to America is ….? A: Religious freedom. Some weren't accepted by Europe so eventually, they didn't accept European rule in America.
Who cares what they were or where they came from? It's the values which they fought for which are important. In America, it doesn't matter where you are from or who your family is. With an education and hard work you can be successful and fulfill the American Dream.
Some fun for those out there in the cold. It's the spot the crucifix game holywood style. Just a few ones. A good game to play right now when the hypocrites are pretending to be decent people.
The answers are a the end of the comment. No cheating.
For starters let's have some leg work (keep your fangs away from those femurals ok?) but take a look how a careful illumination work can be useful if you want to make a crucifix impressed in the mind:
Charlie's Angels and the Pussycat Dolls
Now is the time for finding from whom the monkey will came out. maybe the guy with the big chain and the dollar symbol? Maybe not, maybe there is something worse than a latino gang member with a dollar obssession. In holywood other obssessions are more worth of the monkey and of the villain status:
Butt Monkey from Bruce Almighty
But this is a real classic, because it's so gratuitous, so vile and yet so obviously part of the whole context that it explains pretty much everything about the judaic control of the american mind.
Razzle Dazzle from Chicago Movie
Solutions:
1] 00:27 min. and (the real great one) 02:03 min.
2] 01:27 min.
3] 01:59 min.
PS: There are hundreds, nay, thousands of scenes like that hammering the mind of young americans and people all through the world alike. But it's not a jewish thing, no, and there is no connection to the talmud, noo. Sure noo, now get the water in your face if you would believe that.
@Anonymous,
you don't even know what Talmud is so why are you talking about it?
@Todd,
No American Christian leader complains about this so why are you pulling a monkey out of the tooches?
Do not complain if I chose the angels' legs to appear first. It's summer here and the sun is up there trying to roast us monkeys. We cannot think straight unless we have some legses around. G–d weekend!
There's nothing Jewish about Eurosabra's argument, it is straight Scoop Jackson proto-neocon liberal-hawk capitalist imperialism. Jews don't enter into this equation at all, any more than any other nationality.
I think the next global bogey-man is going to be Hamid Gul. Now, there's a man who really knows where the bodies are buried. If I was the Russians, and the US looked like getting Pakistan under effective military occupation, I would offer asylum to Gul – he would be the equivalent of a reinhard gehlen scale catch, intel wise.