Comments on: Military analysis points in one direction: Shock and awe don’t work http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/even-zionist-bret-stephens-of-wsj-has-misgivings.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Tue, 14 Feb 2012 03:55:37 +0000 hourly 1 By: anonn http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/even-zionist-bret-stephens-of-wsj-has-misgivings.html/comment-page-1#comment-42133 anonn Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/even-zionist-bret-stephens-of-wsj-has-misgivings.html#comment-42133 <p>The US threatened the USSR with nukes, after the USSR objected to us air lifting saving<br /> materials and weapons to Israel in the early '70's--else Israel would have lost that war. Now the US is the lone super-power, yet its economy is going down the drain as did the USSR's-- Bush is egging Israel on; so after more massacres of the Pals through 2008, leading up to silent "one prez at a time"<br /> Obama taking over--what will Obama do? Nothing, while the smoked and fragmented Pal bodies pile up, until he sees who wins the Israeli election in February. By then, I think there will be a sea change. Many average Americans (and europeans) have time off between Xmas and New Year & there<br /> is more opportunity to take in Gaza on TV news and talk shows, additional to their number one macro priority, which is of course,<br /> the USA economy's dire straits. Even a retard soon realizes there is an agenda in sustained 4:400 kill ratios. And many Americans are waking up to the fact we make and pay for the IAF, and fund the IDF too.</p> The US threatened the USSR with nukes, after the USSR objected to us air lifting saving
materials and weapons to Israel in the early '70's–else Israel would have lost that war. Now the US is the lone super-power, yet its economy is going down the drain as did the USSR's– Bush is egging Israel on; so after more massacres of the Pals through 2008, leading up to silent "one prez at a time"
Obama taking over–what will Obama do? Nothing, while the smoked and fragmented Pal bodies pile up, until he sees who wins the Israeli election in February. By then, I think there will be a sea change. Many average Americans (and europeans) have time off between Xmas and New Year & there
is more opportunity to take in Gaza on TV news and talk shows, additional to their number one macro priority, which is of course,
the USA economy's dire straits. Even a retard soon realizes there is an agenda in sustained 4:400 kill ratios. And many Americans are waking up to the fact we make and pay for the IAF, and fund the IDF too.

]]> By: Sword of Gideonthe point. http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/even-zionist-bret-stephens-of-wsj-has-misgivings.html/comment-page-1#comment-42134 Sword of Gideonthe point. Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/even-zionist-bret-stephens-of-wsj-has-misgivings.html#comment-42134 <p>Sorry that the number of dead Jews doesn't meet with your approval. </p> Sorry that the number of dead Jews doesn't meet with your approval.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/even-zionist-bret-stephens-of-wsj-has-misgivings.html/comment-page-1#comment-42135 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/even-zionist-bret-stephens-of-wsj-has-misgivings.html#comment-42135 <p>Shock and awe does work if there is an out.</p> <p>As does mosquito-like shelling.</p> <p>In this case, Israel and Gazan Palestinians are permanently neighbors, and shock and awe is just pressure in a pressure-cooker, as self-gratifying dissent is similarly.</p> <p>Family therapy is needed, not shock and awe, and not demonization, as difficult as that is for you to stomach.</p> Shock and awe does work if there is an out.

As does mosquito-like shelling.

In this case, Israel and Gazan Palestinians are permanently neighbors, and shock and awe is just pressure in a pressure-cooker, as self-gratifying dissent is similarly.

Family therapy is needed, not shock and awe, and not demonization, as difficult as that is for you to stomach.

]]> By: John Lewis-Dickerson http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/even-zionist-bret-stephens-of-wsj-has-misgivings.html/comment-page-1#comment-42136 John Lewis-Dickerson Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/even-zionist-bret-stephens-of-wsj-has-misgivings.html#comment-42136 <p>*****************************************<br /> "Do you really want to go back in there?"</p> <p>Take the bait!<br /> Take the bait!<br /> Take the bait!</p> *****************************************
"Do you really want to go back in there?"

Take the bait!
Take the bait!
Take the bait!

]]> By: Zionism is Racism http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/even-zionist-bret-stephens-of-wsj-has-misgivings.html/comment-page-1#comment-42137 Zionism is Racism Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/even-zionist-bret-stephens-of-wsj-has-misgivings.html#comment-42137 <p>@anon: do you have any links you can point me to that document the US threat of using nukes against the USSR in the '73 war?</p> <p>Thanks,<br /> Zionism is Racism</p> @anon: do you have any links you can point me to that document the US threat of using nukes against the USSR in the '73 war?

Thanks,
Zionism is Racism

]]> By: anon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/even-zionist-bret-stephens-of-wsj-has-misgivings.html/comment-page-1#comment-42138 anon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/even-zionist-bret-stephens-of-wsj-has-misgivings.html#comment-42138 <p>Just google around. It's pretty common knowledge on the net--you can start with a veiled reference here:</p> <p>http://www.dodccrp.org/events/2004_CCRTS/CD/papers/190.pdf<br /> </p> Just google around. It's pretty common knowledge on the net–you can start with a veiled reference here:

http://www.dodccrp.org/events/2004_CCRTS/CD/papers/190.pdf

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