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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Discover the network&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Melanie Phlipps is part of the propaganda network that tried to launch the WMD&#039;s-were found-but-hidden-in-Iraq-hoax by Dave Gaubatz. She may well be the main go-to person in the UK. The main US channels I remember were FrontpageMag and The American Thinker and without doubt the &quot;objectivist&quot; fury Atlas Shrugged. Yes &lt;a href=&quot;http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/04/wmdwhy_joe_wils.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;obviously&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While Gaubatz himself led straight into &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.saneworks.us/mission.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SANE:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;America is a unique people bound together through a commitment to &lt;b&gt;America’s Judeo-Christian moral foundation &lt;/b&gt; and to an enduring faith and trust in G-d and in His Providence. America’s founding, and its greatness was neither accident nor staging ground for some better existence or world state. America was the handiwork of faithful Christians, mostly men, and &lt;b&gt;almost entirely white,&lt;/b&gt; who ventured from Europe to create a nation in their image of a country existing as free men under G-d. This constellation of forces existed no where else in the world and resulted in a unique people and nation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ed, should join them, maybe? I am kidding.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Discover the network</b></p>
<p>Melanie Phlipps is part of the propaganda network that tried to launch the WMD&#39;s-were found-but-hidden-in-Iraq-hoax by Dave Gaubatz. She may well be the main go-to person in the UK. The main US channels I remember were FrontpageMag and The American Thinker and without doubt the &quot;objectivist&quot; fury Atlas Shrugged. Yes <a href="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/04/wmdwhy_joe_wils.html" rel="nofollow">obviously</a></p>
<p>While Gaubatz himself led straight into <a href="http://www.saneworks.us/mission.php" rel="nofollow">SANE:</a></p>
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<blockquote>America is a unique people bound together through a commitment to <b>America’s Judeo-Christian moral foundation </b> and to an enduring faith and trust in G-d and in His Providence. America’s founding, and its greatness was neither accident nor staging ground for some better existence or world state. America was the handiwork of faithful Christians, mostly men, and <b>almost entirely white,</b> who ventured from Europe to create a nation in their image of a country existing as free men under G-d. This constellation of forces existed no where else in the world and resulted in a unique people and nation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ed, should join them, maybe? I am kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I owe the destruction of my previous blog (naqniq) to another of these WMD&#039;s-were found-but-hidden-in-Iraq-hoax people : John Loftus. His theory, which was in FrontPageMag, borrowed from the film version of &quot;Dr No&quot; - an underwater nuclear stash, no less. And I ridiculed it, calling him names which brought his wrath down upon me. Then the blog was suspended, altho I had removed the offending item. So now I have another one.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I owe the destruction of my previous blog (naqniq) to another of these WMD&#39;s-were found-but-hidden-in-Iraq-hoax people : John Loftus. His theory, which was in FrontPageMag, borrowed from the film version of &quot;Dr No&quot; &#8211; an underwater nuclear stash, no less. And I ridiculed it, calling him names which brought his wrath down upon me. Then the blog was suspended, altho I had removed the offending item. So now I have another one.</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nothing here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_LoftusJohn&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Loftus&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/us/23believers.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New York Times, June 23, 2006&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The weapons hunters were encouraged in February when tapes of Mr. Hussein&#039;s talking with top aides about his arsenal were released at the Intelligence Summit, a private gathering in northern Virginia of 600 former spies, former military officers and hobbyists.

&lt;p&gt;&quot;We reopened the W.M.D. question in a big way,&quot; said &lt;b&gt;John Loftus,&lt;/b&gt; organizer of the conference. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_LoftusJohn" rel="nofollow">John Loftus</a></p>
<p>But here: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/us/23believers.html" rel="nofollow">New York Times, June 23, 2006</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The weapons hunters were encouraged in February when tapes of Mr. Hussein&#39;s talking with top aides about his arsenal were released at the Intelligence Summit, a private gathering in northern Virginia of 600 former spies, former military officers and hobbyists.</p>
<p>&quot;We reopened the W.M.D. question in a big way,&quot; said <b>John Loftus,</b> organizer of the conference. </p>
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		<title>By: roGER</title>
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		<dc:creator>roGER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here in Britain, Melanie Philips is known as &quot;Mad Mel.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;She&#039;s an authentic neo-conservative, perhaps the only true one we have. She started out on the left, gradually drifted to the right, and continues to drift ever rightwards (needless to say she&#039;s also an ardent Zionist).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;She&#039;s an intense, highly-strung character, with an unpleasant personality. Perhaps that explains why she seems permanently angry, and her articles (esp on her blog, where there is no editor to exercise any restraint upon her) have a hysterical quality.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;She has some following amongst the extreme pro-Israel right in the United States. These people love her message that Israel is fighting a desperate war of survival, and that Europe and Britain are morally, culturally and militarily doomed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Fortunately in Britain, Mad Mel is a bit of joke. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Britain, Melanie Philips is known as &quot;Mad Mel.&quot; </p>
<p>She&#39;s an authentic neo-conservative, perhaps the only true one we have. She started out on the left, gradually drifted to the right, and continues to drift ever rightwards (needless to say she&#39;s also an ardent Zionist).</p>
<p>She&#39;s an intense, highly-strung character, with an unpleasant personality. Perhaps that explains why she seems permanently angry, and her articles (esp on her blog, where there is no editor to exercise any restraint upon her) have a hysterical quality.</p>
<p>She has some following amongst the extreme pro-Israel right in the United States. These people love her message that Israel is fighting a desperate war of survival, and that Europe and Britain are morally, culturally and militarily doomed.</p>
<p>Fortunately in Britain, Mad Mel is a bit of joke. </p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LeaNder, this is the passage I made fun of, from &quot;Shattering Conventional Wisdom About Saddam&#039;s WMD&#039;s&quot; by John Loftus, Front Page Magazine.com, Friday, November 16, 2007: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Iraqi informants showed US investigators where Saddam had constructed huge underwater storage facilities beneath the Euphrates River. The tunnel entrances were still sealed with tons of concrete. The US investigators who approached the sealed entrances were later determined to have been exposed to radiation. Incredibly, their reports were lost in the postwar confusion, and Saddam’s underground nuclear storage sites were left unguarded for the next three years ... &quot;&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=f715a709-2614-4ea5-967c-f6151f94a364&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeaNder, this is the passage I made fun of, from &quot;Shattering Conventional Wisdom About Saddam&#39;s WMD&#39;s&quot; by John Loftus, Front Page Magazine.com, Friday, November 16, 2007: </p>
<p>&quot;Iraqi informants showed US investigators where Saddam had constructed huge underwater storage facilities beneath the Euphrates River. The tunnel entrances were still sealed with tons of concrete. The US investigators who approached the sealed entrances were later determined to have been exposed to radiation. Incredibly, their reports were lost in the postwar confusion, and Saddam’s underground nuclear storage sites were left unguarded for the next three years &#8230; &quot;<br />
<a href="http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=f715a709-2614-4ea5-967c-f6151f94a364/p">link to frontpagemag.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;She has some following amongst the extreme pro-Israel right in the United States. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And Canada, I am watching a very active &quot;network member&quot; there. He demanded that Norman Finkelstein be excommunicated. He even used this term. Maybe since Cherem used to exist during the Enlightenment except for the Haredim. But what do I know. And yes, Philips for him belongs to the righteous. Here is another one of my &lt;a href=&quot;http://timesonline.typepad.com/oliver_kamm/2008/11/terrorism-in-bo.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;GB friends&quot;&lt;/a&gt;according to my Google Reader. Not quite as mad as Mel, admittedly. ;) Thanks for telling us: Mad Mel. We have a wellknown similar male phenomenon over here in Krautland. But it only became evident for me post 911.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>She has some following amongst the extreme pro-Israel right in the United States. </i></p>
<p>And Canada, I am watching a very active &quot;network member&quot; there. He demanded that Norman Finkelstein be excommunicated. He even used this term. Maybe since Cherem used to exist during the Enlightenment except for the Haredim. But what do I know. And yes, Philips for him belongs to the righteous. Here is another one of my <a href="http://timesonline.typepad.com/oliver_kamm/2008/11/terrorism-in-bo.html" rel="nofollow">&quot;GB friends&quot;</a>according to my Google Reader. Not quite as mad as Mel, admittedly. ;) Thanks for telling us: Mad Mel. We have a wellknown similar male phenomenon over here in Krautland. But it only became evident for me post 911.</p>
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		<title>By: pam</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mad Mel is very important because she actually spouts the kind of hateful rhetoric and biased uber zionist approach to Israel that we need in order to be able to counteract with equal force, although she does try and crucify all of us who are anti Israel and label us anti semitic - it hardly shuts us up, one doesn&#039;t hear very much of her on the BBC these days with their emphasis on balanced views, so maybe she gets her come-uppance, the Spectator is too right wing for any of us sensible people to read so we just use the internet to get what we want, cheaper too, suffice to say that there are plenty of jews here who don&#039;t believe israel has a right to punish the palestinians in order to survive (what did a baby on the intensive unit in Gaza which has only emergency power have to do with any of that) and mad mel joins the orthodox jews here who do think like that so cannot be taken seriously&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mad Mel is very important because she actually spouts the kind of hateful rhetoric and biased uber zionist approach to Israel that we need in order to be able to counteract with equal force, although she does try and crucify all of us who are anti Israel and label us anti semitic &#8211; it hardly shuts us up, one doesn&#39;t hear very much of her on the BBC these days with their emphasis on balanced views, so maybe she gets her come-uppance, the Spectator is too right wing for any of us sensible people to read so we just use the internet to get what we want, cheaper too, suffice to say that there are plenty of jews here who don&#39;t believe israel has a right to punish the palestinians in order to survive (what did a baby on the intensive unit in Gaza which has only emergency power have to do with any of that) and mad mel joins the orthodox jews here who do think like that so cannot be taken seriously</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;borrowed from the film version of &quot;Dr No&quot; &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Rowan, so you only pointed out that there was a certain  similarity to a James Bond (Dr. No) plot? How do you know, you &quot;owe&quot; the destruction of your blog to Loftus? (this guy has left no big traces in my gray cells yet.) Strictly, I trusted Hans Blix on the issue from the very start. But interesting discovery.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;***********************************************&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Pam, thanks. I&#039;ll keep your take on the Spectator in mind. But basically any anti-* is not to my taste. &lt;a href=&quot;http://themagneszionist.blogspot.com/2008/11/endorsement-benjamin-netanyahu-for.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Magnes Zionist&lt;/a&gt; seems to be orthodox or  at least teaches orthodox Judaism, and I like him a lot. Don&#039;t trust the headline above. Or do, but then read it to the very end&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We had trouble over here in Germany, only orthodox Jewish congregations were state supported. Maybe it changed. There were quite some activities by the Reform congregations. But strictly, I still haven&#039;t looked into the development of Reform in 19th century over here close enough, and have the vague suspicion that the &quot;essentially&quot; non-hierarchical structures of the Jewish faith may have led authorities to push reform. Besides, I could understand the desire for a break with an essentially German Jewish tradition in Judaism post WWII.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree though that the I/P issue must be resolved and that mystification should stop. ...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>borrowed from the film version of &quot;Dr No&quot; </i></p>
<p>Rowan, so you only pointed out that there was a certain  similarity to a James Bond (Dr. No) plot? How do you know, you &quot;owe&quot; the destruction of your blog to Loftus? (this guy has left no big traces in my gray cells yet.) Strictly, I trusted Hans Blix on the issue from the very start. But interesting discovery.</p>
<p>***********************************************</p>
<p>Pam, thanks. I&#39;ll keep your take on the Spectator in mind. But basically any anti-* is not to my taste. <a href="http://themagneszionist.blogspot.com/2008/11/endorsement-benjamin-netanyahu-for.html" rel="nofollow">Magnes Zionist</a> seems to be orthodox or  at least teaches orthodox Judaism, and I like him a lot. Don&#39;t trust the headline above. Or do, but then read it to the very end</p>
<p>We had trouble over here in Germany, only orthodox Jewish congregations were state supported. Maybe it changed. There were quite some activities by the Reform congregations. But strictly, I still haven&#39;t looked into the development of Reform in 19th century over here close enough, and have the vague suspicion that the &quot;essentially&quot; non-hierarchical structures of the Jewish faith may have led authorities to push reform. Besides, I could understand the desire for a break with an essentially German Jewish tradition in Judaism post WWII.</p>
<p>I agree though that the I/P issue must be resolved and that mystification should stop. &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan Berkeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan Berkeley</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know it for sure, but I do recall that he left a really blistering comment on the story as I had posted it, and shortly after that the blog was suspended without explanation, appeal, or recourse, as is the way of all unpaid blogs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Loftus is mainly famous for being the person who leaked to FOX News the fact that Finsbury Park Mosque Islamist and general boogie man Haroon Aswat was an MI6 agent.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Loftus&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t know it for sure, but I do recall that he left a really blistering comment on the story as I had posted it, and shortly after that the blog was suspended without explanation, appeal, or recourse, as is the way of all unpaid blogs.</p>
<p>Loftus is mainly famous for being the person who leaked to FOX News the fact that Finsbury Park Mosque Islamist and general boogie man Haroon Aswat was an MI6 agent.</p>
<p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Loftus</p>
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		<title>By: stevieb</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevieb</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the link, Rowan - that gave me a much needed chuckle.....&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Rowan &#8211; that gave me a much needed chuckle&#8230;..</p>
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