Comments on: Is Gaza curtains for the Israel lobby? Ross and Blankfort debate http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:03:10 +0000 hourly 1 By: stevieb http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html/comment-page-1#comment-42116 stevieb Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html#comment-42116 <p>Completely agree with Blankfort.</p> <p>When I attempted to leave a post saying the same thing about Israel's breaking of the cease fire and the blockade - on Antiwar.com - it was rejected.</p> <p>Antiwar!</p> <p>This was after a post claiming that Hamas must accept some of the blame for Israel breaking the ceasefire and starving and murdering Palestinians.</p> <p>The lobby is alive and kicking and jumping onto the new left 'revival'....</p> Completely agree with Blankfort.

When I attempted to leave a post saying the same thing about Israel's breaking of the cease fire and the blockade – on Antiwar.com – it was rejected.

Antiwar!

This was after a post claiming that Hamas must accept some of the blame for Israel breaking the ceasefire and starving and murdering Palestinians.

The lobby is alive and kicking and jumping onto the new left 'revival'….

]]> By: Ed http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html/comment-page-1#comment-42117 Ed Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html#comment-42117 <p>Blankfort: "Until the Jewish establishment AKA The Lobby hears and fears the seething breath of an angry public outside their doors, nothing will change."</p> <p>Note how Blankfort doesn't distinguish between the Jewish establishment and the Israel lobby, because he's been around the block a few times and understands they are basically one in the same. Another AKA might be "nation within a nation," -- one that certainly has its own foreign policy agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with American interests.</p> Blankfort: "Until the Jewish establishment AKA The Lobby hears and fears the seething breath of an angry public outside their doors, nothing will change."

Note how Blankfort doesn't distinguish between the Jewish establishment and the Israel lobby, because he's been around the block a few times and understands they are basically one in the same. Another AKA might be "nation within a nation," — one that certainly has its own foreign policy agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with American interests.

]]> By: 5 dancing shlomos http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html/comment-page-1#comment-42118 5 dancing shlomos Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html#comment-42118 <p>always go with blankfort.</p> <p>turn on the boob tube and listen to the ass kissing, dirt eating, floor licking boobs. all blame the palestinians. all lie for israel, meaning jews. they worry so much for their dog's/slaves lives called careers that they support slaughter.</p> <p>may the slaves and their savage masters receive justice.</p> always go with blankfort.

turn on the boob tube and listen to the ass kissing, dirt eating, floor licking boobs. all blame the palestinians. all lie for israel, meaning jews. they worry so much for their dog's/slaves lives called careers that they support slaughter.

may the slaves and their savage masters receive justice.

]]> By: peters http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html/comment-page-1#comment-42119 peters Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html#comment-42119 <p>completely agree with blankfort. i wonder if the optimists want to believe because they so want a jewish state. they know if the lobby isn't broken soon, it will get so much worse in the mideast that there will be no hope of a jewish state. just wondering. </p> completely agree with blankfort. i wonder if the optimists want to believe because they so want a jewish state. they know if the lobby isn't broken soon, it will get so much worse in the mideast that there will be no hope of a jewish state. just wondering.

]]> By: Craig http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html/comment-page-1#comment-42120 Craig Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html#comment-42120 <p>I'm with Blankfort too. All this talk about Obama doing something courageous just seems like pie-in-the-sky optimism, like Evangelicals assuring us that the Second Coming will occur any day now. Obama is showing no sign of doing anything but what's good for Obama. If he had any principles higher than that, he probably wouldn't be President-elect in the first place.</p> I'm with Blankfort too. All this talk about Obama doing something courageous just seems like pie-in-the-sky optimism, like Evangelicals assuring us that the Second Coming will occur any day now. Obama is showing no sign of doing anything but what's good for Obama. If he had any principles higher than that, he probably wouldn't be President-elect in the first place.

]]> By: 5 dancing shlomos http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html/comment-page-1#comment-42121 5 dancing shlomos Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html#comment-42121 <p>s/b dog/slave lives</p> s/b dog/slave lives

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html/comment-page-1#comment-42122 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html#comment-42122 <p>Obama is transformation for the Israel Lobby.</p> <p>The great divide between Hamas and Israel is still real, and until that relaxes, radical analyses of the region are inane.</p> Obama is transformation for the Israel Lobby.

The great divide between Hamas and Israel is still real, and until that relaxes, radical analyses of the region are inane.

]]> By: morris http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html/comment-page-1#comment-42123 morris Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html#comment-42123 <p>The real lobby is hidden and fierce. Pelosi and everyone else obeys. They are of the same makeup as the ones ordering the carnage in Gaza, Iraq and Afghanistan. They are also very happy to hear jewish voices of disapproval, such as this blog. Then they show there are good Jews. America IS the Jewish Lobby. . .. ... . It is not going anywhere . . . . .. . .. They listen to no one . . . .. Not the Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians and not the Americans and not the British, and not the Good jews. . . . .. . . . And they know violence Very Well!</p> The real lobby is hidden and fierce. Pelosi and everyone else obeys. They are of the same makeup as the ones ordering the carnage in Gaza, Iraq and Afghanistan. They are also very happy to hear jewish voices of disapproval, such as this blog. Then they show there are good Jews. America IS the Jewish Lobby. . .. … . It is not going anywhere . . . . .. . .. They listen to no one . . . .. Not the Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians and not the Americans and not the British, and not the Good jews. . . . .. . . . And they know violence Very Well!

]]> By: joe http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html/comment-page-1#comment-42124 joe Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html#comment-42124 <p>Serious question: How can Ross claim that by asking Emanuel to be his Chief of Staff he is attempting to gain "cover" and not simply planning to join him in blind support of Israel?</p> Serious question: How can Ross claim that by asking Emanuel to be his Chief of Staff he is attempting to gain "cover" and not simply planning to join him in blind support of Israel?

]]> By: joe http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html/comment-page-1#comment-42125 joe Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/30/jack-ross-may-god-help-me-but-i-am-going-to-offer-my-own-cautiously-optimistic-assessment-about-obama-and-the-events-in-g.html#comment-42125 <p>Above I mean Obama, obviously...</p> Above I mean Obama, obviously…

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