Comments on: Like Lewinsky, Rich, and Libby, Madoff Scandal Exposes Jewish Social Cohesion in Establishment http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 07:04:15 +0000 hourly 1 By: Rowan Berkeley http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html/comment-page-1#comment-43815 Rowan Berkeley Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/13/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html#comment-43815 <p>I consider your determination to look at the american jewish elite "sociologically" to be a massive improvement on the general approach of most people around here, which is either religious, racial, or just plain regressive, in the sense of, once upon a time we had a utopian capitalist success story here, and we want it back.</p> <p>But I notice that 'sociology' in your mind, Phil, somehow stands on a separate base to 'economics'. You avoid this obvious aspect even when it is quite clearly the stated goal of the players. These are not culture vultures, Phil, they're 'businessmen'. Being 'ethically challenged' as you rather strangely put it, comes with the territory. And the territory of the 'businessman' is your world. Your home, your food, your survival. </p> <p>The point is this: the jewish 'business' elite has something going for it that the previous 'business' elite didn't have, namely, several thousand years of networking together, financially and politically, ostensibly in the service of the rulers of their various states, but in fact on somewhat of an undercover basis, because Jews were and are treated as a CASTE. I recommend you try to find out what the basic parameters of caste are in sociology: you will see that a certain system of religious taboos is necessary to keep the castes from becoming familiar with one another.</p> I consider your determination to look at the american jewish elite "sociologically" to be a massive improvement on the general approach of most people around here, which is either religious, racial, or just plain regressive, in the sense of, once upon a time we had a utopian capitalist success story here, and we want it back.

But I notice that 'sociology' in your mind, Phil, somehow stands on a separate base to 'economics'. You avoid this obvious aspect even when it is quite clearly the stated goal of the players. These are not culture vultures, Phil, they're 'businessmen'. Being 'ethically challenged' as you rather strangely put it, comes with the territory. And the territory of the 'businessman' is your world. Your home, your food, your survival.

The point is this: the jewish 'business' elite has something going for it that the previous 'business' elite didn't have, namely, several thousand years of networking together, financially and politically, ostensibly in the service of the rulers of their various states, but in fact on somewhat of an undercover basis, because Jews were and are treated as a CASTE. I recommend you try to find out what the basic parameters of caste are in sociology: you will see that a certain system of religious taboos is necessary to keep the castes from becoming familiar with one another.

]]> By: lester http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html/comment-page-1#comment-43816 lester Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/13/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html#comment-43816 <p>http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/12/13/boston_donors_bilked_out_of_millions</p> <p>more</p> <p>is this how zionism ends?</p> http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/12/13/boston_donors_bilked_out_of_millions

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is this how zionism ends?

]]> By: anon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html/comment-page-1#comment-43817 anon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/13/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html#comment-43817 <p>Oh yeah, the ranking of members in a society by occupational status and degree of purity or pollution as determined by their birth.</p> <p>So, RB, what is your point? </p> <p>What is your historical example of an economic system that has done better for most under it than capitalism? Everybody knows the evils in fact of historical capitalism, and most on this blog I'd assume<br /> can easily see its horrible results now, but other than some unvoiced ideal in your head that never has happened, again, what's your point?</p> <p>Please enlighten us all. Give us an example of someplace, sometime in history when there was governance by some power<br /> better than what we see, for example, in the USA or Europe now.</p> <p><br /> </p> Oh yeah, the ranking of members in a society by occupational status and degree of purity or pollution as determined by their birth.

So, RB, what is your point?

What is your historical example of an economic system that has done better for most under it than capitalism? Everybody knows the evils in fact of historical capitalism, and most on this blog I'd assume
can easily see its horrible results now, but other than some unvoiced ideal in your head that never has happened, again, what's your point?

Please enlighten us all. Give us an example of someplace, sometime in history when there was governance by some power
better than what we see, for example, in the USA or Europe now.

]]> By: anon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html/comment-page-1#comment-43818 anon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/13/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html#comment-43818 <p>Oh yeah, the ranking of members in a society by occupational status and degree of purity or pollution as determined by their birth.</p> <p>So, RB, what is your point? </p> <p>What is your historical example of an economic system that has done better for most under it than capitalism? Everybody knows the evils in fact of historical capitalism, and most on this blog I'd assume<br /> can easily see its horrible results now, but other than some unvoiced ideal in your head that never has happened, again, what's your point?</p> <p>Please enlighten us all. Give us an example of someplace, sometime in history when there was governance by some power<br /> better than what we see, for example, in the USA or Europe now.</p> <p><br /> </p> Oh yeah, the ranking of members in a society by occupational status and degree of purity or pollution as determined by their birth.

So, RB, what is your point?

What is your historical example of an economic system that has done better for most under it than capitalism? Everybody knows the evils in fact of historical capitalism, and most on this blog I'd assume
can easily see its horrible results now, but other than some unvoiced ideal in your head that never has happened, again, what's your point?

Please enlighten us all. Give us an example of someplace, sometime in history when there was governance by some power
better than what we see, for example, in the USA or Europe now.

]]> By: Rowan Berkeley http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html/comment-page-1#comment-43819 Rowan Berkeley Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/13/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html#comment-43819 <p>You are just playing with propaganda "isms" again - that is all they teach you to do in your churches, and as for your schools they clearly don't teach you anything at all.</p> You are just playing with propaganda "isms" again – that is all they teach you to do in your churches, and as for your schools they clearly don't teach you anything at all.

]]> By: Roy Belmont http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html/comment-page-1#comment-43820 Roy Belmont Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/13/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html#comment-43820 <p>And then some day talk about Meyer Lansky and Cuba and Vegas, and B.Clinton and the facilitation of the global cocaine trade. Talk about Lansky's org. getting blackmail material on sex-tourist WASP's cutting loose in anything-goes pre-Castro Havana.<br /> Vice makes great blackmail. An age-old hustle.<br /> Talk about the subsequent intolerance of homosexuals in Castro's Cuba at least in part because children were being bought and sold sexually down there back then.<br /> Talk about who's running the drug business right now at the very top as maybe not being a bunch of Italians, or a bunch of Latin Americans. <br /> Talk about the Prez Bushes and Clinton creating increased profits for the global drug biz everywhere they moved their pawns and tokens. <br /> And then make shadowy inferences as to why H.Clinton kept making those bizarre hyper-tense faces during the campaign. As if she was under three different kinds of unbearable pressure. </p> And then some day talk about Meyer Lansky and Cuba and Vegas, and B.Clinton and the facilitation of the global cocaine trade. Talk about Lansky's org. getting blackmail material on sex-tourist WASP's cutting loose in anything-goes pre-Castro Havana.
Vice makes great blackmail. An age-old hustle.
Talk about the subsequent intolerance of homosexuals in Castro's Cuba at least in part because children were being bought and sold sexually down there back then.
Talk about who's running the drug business right now at the very top as maybe not being a bunch of Italians, or a bunch of Latin Americans.
Talk about the Prez Bushes and Clinton creating increased profits for the global drug biz everywhere they moved their pawns and tokens.
And then make shadowy inferences as to why H.Clinton kept making those bizarre hyper-tense faces during the campaign. As if she was under three different kinds of unbearable pressure.

]]> By: anon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html/comment-page-1#comment-43821 anon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/13/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html#comment-43821 <p>Why don't you answer my questions?</p> <p>ALso, lease tell us what to what extent caste plays out in the USA now, and what is your definition of caste?</p> <p>Of what caste is Obama, Phil, Rachel Corrie? Witty, SOG, Ed, American? </p> Why don't you answer my questions?

ALso, lease tell us what to what extent caste plays out in the USA now, and what is your definition of caste?

Of what caste is Obama, Phil, Rachel Corrie? Witty, SOG, Ed, American?

]]> By: anon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html/comment-page-1#comment-43822 anon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/13/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html#comment-43822 <p>Why don't you answer my questions?</p> <p>ALso, lease tell us what to what extent caste plays out in the USA now, and what is your definition of caste?</p> <p>Of what caste is Obama, Phil, Rachel Corrie? Witty, SOG, Ed, American? </p> Why don't you answer my questions?

ALso, lease tell us what to what extent caste plays out in the USA now, and what is your definition of caste?

Of what caste is Obama, Phil, Rachel Corrie? Witty, SOG, Ed, American?

]]> By: anon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html/comment-page-1#comment-43823 anon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/13/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html#comment-43823 <p>Further, RB, I agree with you that without the role of money, usury, special treatment of capital gains, the world would be different, but the caste system per se as practiced in India historically, for example, it certainly wouldn't be more fair in terms of opportunity. Which "certain system of religious taboos is necessary to keep the castes from becoming familiar with one another"? And, are those taboos you refer to--something more than purely religious in the non-Jewish sense (since nobody can fairly clearly separate Judaism from religion,ethnicity, culture, "peoplehood" ,etc)?</p> Further, RB, I agree with you that without the role of money, usury, special treatment of capital gains, the world would be different, but the caste system per se as practiced in India historically, for example, it certainly wouldn't be more fair in terms of opportunity. Which "certain system of religious taboos is necessary to keep the castes from becoming familiar with one another"? And, are those taboos you refer to–something more than purely religious in the non-Jewish sense (since nobody can fairly clearly separate Judaism from religion,ethnicity, culture, "peoplehood" ,etc)?

]]> By: anon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html/comment-page-1#comment-43824 anon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/13/madoff-got-tons-of-money-from-jewish-establishment-figures-he-was-on-the-board-of-yeshiva-u.html#comment-43824 <p>Further, RB, I agree with you that without the role of money, usury, special treatment of capital gains, the world would be different, but the caste system per se as practiced in India historically, for example, it certainly wouldn't be more fair in terms of opportunity. Which "certain system of religious taboos is necessary to keep the castes from becoming familiar with one another"? And, are those taboos you refer to--something more than purely religious in the non-Jewish sense (since nobody can fairly clearly separate Judaism from religion,ethnicity, culture, "peoplehood" ,etc)?</p> Further, RB, I agree with you that without the role of money, usury, special treatment of capital gains, the world would be different, but the caste system per se as practiced in India historically, for example, it certainly wouldn't be more fair in terms of opportunity. Which "certain system of religious taboos is necessary to keep the castes from becoming familiar with one another"? And, are those taboos you refer to–something more than purely religious in the non-Jewish sense (since nobody can fairly clearly separate Judaism from religion,ethnicity, culture, "peoplehood" ,etc)?

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