Comments on: Targets: Fish market, university labs, mosque http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Todd http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html/comment-page-1#comment-42315 Todd Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/28/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html#comment-42315 <p>This is very sad, but the system in the U.S. is broken. There is no honest leadership at the government, media, corporate, academic or religious level in the U.S. Money and support will continue to flow from the U.S. to Israel in conflict with reason, morals and self-interest. </p> This is very sad, but the system in the U.S. is broken. There is no honest leadership at the government, media, corporate, academic or religious level in the U.S. Money and support will continue to flow from the U.S. to Israel in conflict with reason, morals and self-interest.

]]> By: John Lewis-Dickerson http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html/comment-page-1#comment-42316 John Lewis-Dickerson Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/28/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html#comment-42316 <p>******************************************<br /> On the Ground in Gaza: University Bombed, UN Staffers Amongst the Dead</p> <p>By: Siun @ firedoglake.com - Sunday December 28, 2008 6:00 pm </p> <p>New Israeli airstrikes are going on now. CNN is broadcasting video of the attacks, Maan News Agency's breaking news includes reports of fires from bombs in the Western Gaza Strip and that the Intelligence and Olympics Committee buildings ahve been leveled. The Israeli news site Ynet reports that "Israeli warplanes bombed the Islamic University in the Gaza Strip on Sunday, a significant Hamas cultural symbol" and Xinhua confirms: </p> <p>The residents in Remal neighborhood in western Gaza City said they heard four huge explosions that wrecked the whole area, and white and gray pillars of smoke were seen coming out of the building. Several buildings, which surround the Islamic University were badly damaged, said the residents, adding that another college run by the Islamic University in southern Gaza City was hit too. Israeli drones and F16 warplanes still hover over Gaza City. The buzz of the drones and war fighters was strongly heard shortly before the four airstrikes were carried out. The residents said that several buildings at the female campus into the Islamic University compound that include chemical labs were completely destroyed. No injuries were reported. </p> <p>Meanwhile, Israeli tanks continue to mass at the borders and Time is reporting that support within Israel is very high for these attacks as demonstrated by their description of Israelis gathering on hilltops to watch and applaud the bombs.</p> <p>Al Jazeera is now reporting "United Nations officials in New York said nine of its staff had been killed in the strikes.".........</p> <p>ENTIRE ARTICLE - http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/28/on-the-ground-in-gaza/<br /> </p> ******************************************
On the Ground in Gaza: University Bombed, UN Staffers Amongst the Dead

By: Siun @ firedoglake.com – Sunday December 28, 2008 6:00 pm

New Israeli airstrikes are going on now. CNN is broadcasting video of the attacks, Maan News Agency's breaking news includes reports of fires from bombs in the Western Gaza Strip and that the Intelligence and Olympics Committee buildings ahve been leveled. The Israeli news site Ynet reports that "Israeli warplanes bombed the Islamic University in the Gaza Strip on Sunday, a significant Hamas cultural symbol" and Xinhua confirms:

The residents in Remal neighborhood in western Gaza City said they heard four huge explosions that wrecked the whole area, and white and gray pillars of smoke were seen coming out of the building. Several buildings, which surround the Islamic University were badly damaged, said the residents, adding that another college run by the Islamic University in southern Gaza City was hit too. Israeli drones and F16 warplanes still hover over Gaza City. The buzz of the drones and war fighters was strongly heard shortly before the four airstrikes were carried out. The residents said that several buildings at the female campus into the Islamic University compound that include chemical labs were completely destroyed. No injuries were reported.

Meanwhile, Israeli tanks continue to mass at the borders and Time is reporting that support within Israel is very high for these attacks as demonstrated by their description of Israelis gathering on hilltops to watch and applaud the bombs.

Al Jazeera is now reporting "United Nations officials in New York said nine of its staff had been killed in the strikes."………

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]]> By: John Lewis-Dickerson http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html/comment-page-1#comment-42317 John Lewis-Dickerson Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/28/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html#comment-42317 <p>**************************************<br /> Free Gaza is going to try and land the DIGNITY tomorrow. On board will be Cynthia McKinney. </p> <p>http://www.freegaza.org/index......38;offset=<br /> </p> **************************************
Free Gaza is going to try and land the DIGNITY tomorrow. On board will be Cynthia McKinney.

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]]> By: Rowan Berkeley http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html/comment-page-1#comment-42318 Rowan Berkeley Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/28/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html#comment-42318 <p>That buzzing noise is more likely drones than choppers.</p> That buzzing noise is more likely drones than choppers.

]]> By: Sin Nombre http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html/comment-page-1#comment-42319 Sin Nombre Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/28/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html#comment-42319 <p>Seems to me one interesting question about all this that's not gotten much attention is why now? Solely because Kadima looked to be in trouble? And one wonders what the Israeli thinking was regarding Obama? Do this now before he has the ability to put the kibosh on anything similar? Send him a message that they don't care about putting him in a pickle right away? </p> <p>Be interesting to hear from any Israelis out there who might have some closer perspective about this. </p> Seems to me one interesting question about all this that's not gotten much attention is why now? Solely because Kadima looked to be in trouble? And one wonders what the Israeli thinking was regarding Obama? Do this now before he has the ability to put the kibosh on anything similar? Send him a message that they don't care about putting him in a pickle right away?

Be interesting to hear from any Israelis out there who might have some closer perspective about this.

]]> By: Sword of Gideonthe point. http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html/comment-page-1#comment-42320 Sword of Gideonthe point. Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/28/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html#comment-42320 <p>I hope they hit the "free gaza' with a spare torpedo. But anyway. You vote for Hamas, they hit southern Israel with missiles and you don't think that there will be repercussions. Come on. </p> I hope they hit the "free gaza' with a spare torpedo. But anyway. You vote for Hamas, they hit southern Israel with missiles and you don't think that there will be repercussions. Come on.

]]> By: A blogger from Lebanon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html/comment-page-1#comment-42321 A blogger from Lebanon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/28/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html#comment-42321 <p>Sin Nombre,I don't know what Israel's rationale was/is vis-a-vis Obama, but if I were Obama, the first thing I would've done to answer Israel's actions at this transitional phase in American politics, is cut all aid for the entire duration of his first term. Only such firm action, and not just in words but real actions, really cutting the aid, will stop Israeli thirst for blood from being implemented on the ground.</p> Sin Nombre,I don't know what Israel's rationale was/is vis-a-vis Obama, but if I were Obama, the first thing I would've done to answer Israel's actions at this transitional phase in American politics, is cut all aid for the entire duration of his first term. Only such firm action, and not just in words but real actions, really cutting the aid, will stop Israeli thirst for blood from being implemented on the ground.

]]> By: A blogger from Lebanon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html/comment-page-1#comment-42322 A blogger from Lebanon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/28/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html#comment-42322 <p>Israeli heroism of the day:</p> <p>http://www.daylife.com/photo/01Y80xk2vLcXZ<br /> http://www.daylife.com/photo/08gX1W0b0uahN<br /> http://www.daylife.com/photo/0gtueFE491gaB/gaza</p> <p>As Mark Regev would say, it sure looks "propagandaish."</p> Israeli heroism of the day:

http://www.daylife.com/photo/01Y80xk2vLcXZ
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http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/28/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html#comment-42323 <p>"The constant, ominous, maddening droning sound . . . that's been buzzing in my head day and night. "</p> <p>Sounds like an excellent description of most of the posters on this site (although I'd add "whining and braying," and, for Glenn, "whinging.")!<br /> </p> "The constant, ominous, maddening droning sound . . . that's been buzzing in my head day and night. "

Sounds like an excellent description of most of the posters on this site (although I'd add "whining and braying," and, for Glenn, "whinging.")!

]]> By: Colin Murray http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html/comment-page-1#comment-42324 Colin Murray Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/28/the-constant-ominous-maddening-droning-sound-of-the-apaches-overhead.html#comment-42324 <p>A lot of criticism has been directed at P-E Obama for his silence. I would rather hear nothing, than hear him join the chorus of ignorant, arrogant, and self-righteous half-truths spewing from Lobby operatives in Congress. He is very correct not to take a public stance until he is sworn in. 'Having two presidents at a time' truly is an extremely dangerous precedent and is not in our American national interest, which must come first, before EITHER Israeli OR Palestinian interests. He may indeed join the chorus of America-seconders after his inauguration. We do not know, and the only (post-election) datum we have to work with is that thus far, he has not. <br /> </p> A lot of criticism has been directed at P-E Obama for his silence. I would rather hear nothing, than hear him join the chorus of ignorant, arrogant, and self-righteous half-truths spewing from Lobby operatives in Congress. He is very correct not to take a public stance until he is sworn in. 'Having two presidents at a time' truly is an extremely dangerous precedent and is not in our American national interest, which must come first, before EITHER Israeli OR Palestinian interests. He may indeed join the chorus of America-seconders after his inauguration. We do not know, and the only (post-election) datum we have to work with is that thus far, he has not.

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