Comments on: the Holocaust belongs to humanity http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:36:11 +0000 hourly 1 By: Me http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html/comment-page-1#comment-42266 Me Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/29/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html#comment-42266 <p>Thank you, all the protesters who didn't let the media fool them. And all the bloggers who are covering this demonstration.</p> Thank you, all the protesters who didn't let the media fool them. And all the bloggers who are covering this demonstration.

]]> By: Michael W http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html/comment-page-1#comment-42267 Michael W Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/29/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html#comment-42267 <p>At what number of deaths does it start to be called "Holocaust"?</p> <p>Any ideas?</p> <p>Or is it just when Jews kill people?</p> At what number of deaths does it start to be called "Holocaust"?

Any ideas?

Or is it just when Jews kill people?

]]> By: contrarian http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html/comment-page-1#comment-42268 contrarian Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/29/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html#comment-42268 <p>To phrase it a little differently, Michael W: How many innocent human beings are Israelis allowed to massacre before it's OK to start asking how a people so horrifically victimized by the Nazis could inflict such misery on another people?</p> To phrase it a little differently, Michael W: How many innocent human beings are Israelis allowed to massacre before it's OK to start asking how a people so horrifically victimized by the Nazis could inflict such misery on another people?

]]> By: Michael W http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html/comment-page-1#comment-42269 Michael W Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/29/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html#comment-42269 <p>@contrarian,<br /> You are avoiding the question. Well done.</p> @contrarian,
You are avoiding the question. Well done.

]]> By: contrarian http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html/comment-page-1#comment-42270 contrarian Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/29/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html#comment-42270 <p>@Michael W: I could say the same about you. Your question is silly. Who can say at what precise number of deaths the term "holocaust" kicks in? There is, of course, no precise answer. </p> <p>The word is invoked by Palestinians not because of a specific casualty count but because of the unconscionable cruelty, carnage and collective punishment that Israelis -- claiming protection against another "holocaust" as their justification -- have inflicted on Palestinians for more than six decades. </p> <p>I fail to see how a specific number of deaths at Israel's hands is relevant? Does it make you feel better that, at least when the Jewish state is doing the killing, there aren't as many zeroes in the number?</p> @Michael W: I could say the same about you. Your question is silly. Who can say at what precise number of deaths the term "holocaust" kicks in? There is, of course, no precise answer.

The word is invoked by Palestinians not because of a specific casualty count but because of the unconscionable cruelty, carnage and collective punishment that Israelis — claiming protection against another "holocaust" as their justification — have inflicted on Palestinians for more than six decades.

I fail to see how a specific number of deaths at Israel's hands is relevant? Does it make you feel better that, at least when the Jewish state is doing the killing, there aren't as many zeroes in the number?

]]> By: Peter D http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html/comment-page-1#comment-42271 Peter D Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/29/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html#comment-42271 <p>Well said, contrarian. Explain to me, Michael W, the big difference between, say, Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza (there was, btw, a sign saying "Gaza is today's Warsaw Ghetto"at the demonstration yesterday) <br /> Hell, if we need to pat ourselves on the back for not killing millions then we're in a bad shape indeed. And for every family a death of a member is a death of a member, regardless of how many other families suffered the same. The insistence of numbers is misguided here.</p> Well said, contrarian. Explain to me, Michael W, the big difference between, say, Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza (there was, btw, a sign saying "Gaza is today's Warsaw Ghetto"at the demonstration yesterday)
Hell, if we need to pat ourselves on the back for not killing millions then we're in a bad shape indeed. And for every family a death of a member is a death of a member, regardless of how many other families suffered the same. The insistence of numbers is misguided here.

]]> By: anon http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html/comment-page-1#comment-42272 anon Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/29/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html#comment-42272 <p>Mmmmm, is Candy Rice Reinhardt Heydrich's niece? I'm sure she at least does not think so; then again, her academic study was about the USSR & cold war... she plays the piano sort of like Truman's daughter, and we call it governing...</p> Mmmmm, is Candy Rice Reinhardt Heydrich's niece? I'm sure she at least does not think so; then again, her academic study was about the USSR & cold war… she plays the piano sort of like Truman's daughter, and we call it governing…

]]> By: 3rd generation NYPD Jew http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html/comment-page-1#comment-42273 3rd generation NYPD Jew Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/29/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html#comment-42273 <p>"Explain to me, Michael W, the big difference between, say, Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza"</p> <p>Wow!<br /> In one hundreds of thousands of innocents were killed for who they were, in the other a few dozen innocents were killed because the guilty hid among them. Or were hidden among them.<br /> Israel tries not to kill innocents. They try one hell of a lot harder than we have tried in Iraq. That's why they have repeatedly avoided tactics that bring them into harm's way. The Nazis, on the other hand, had the mass slaughter of innocents as their raison d'être.<br /> Can you really not see the difference?<br /> My father is a retired NY Police Captain, and he always said a good comparison is between the IDF and the NYPD--they do a very hard job very well in front of a very critical audience.</p> "Explain to me, Michael W, the big difference between, say, Warsaw Ghetto and Gaza"

Wow!
In one hundreds of thousands of innocents were killed for who they were, in the other a few dozen innocents were killed because the guilty hid among them. Or were hidden among them.
Israel tries not to kill innocents. They try one hell of a lot harder than we have tried in Iraq. That's why they have repeatedly avoided tactics that bring them into harm's way. The Nazis, on the other hand, had the mass slaughter of innocents as their raison d'être.
Can you really not see the difference?
My father is a retired NY Police Captain, and he always said a good comparison is between the IDF and the NYPD–they do a very hard job very well in front of a very critical audience.

]]> By: anonn http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html/comment-page-1#comment-42274 anonn Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/29/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html#comment-42274 <p>A more astute comparison is between the young Gaza policemen; they have been the number one target of the American made and paid for Israeli air force and its latest American bunker busters.<br /> </p> A more astute comparison is between the young Gaza policemen; they have been the number one target of the American made and paid for Israeli air force and its latest American bunker busters.

]]> By: anonn http://mondoweiss.net/2008/12/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html/comment-page-1#comment-42275 anonn Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/12/29/the-holocaust-belongs-to-humanity.html#comment-42275 <p>NO, what's the difference, except this time, Uncle Sam at the moment holds the cards? Lebensraum, facts on the ground. At least Germany wasn't reaching into the 2 thousand year old past to justify its force, not to mention, it wasn't relying on American taxpayers.</p> NO, what's the difference, except this time, Uncle Sam at the moment holds the cards? Lebensraum, facts on the ground. At least Germany wasn't reaching into the 2 thousand year old past to justify its force, not to mention, it wasn't relying on American taxpayers.

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