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	<title>Comments on: After pregnant pause, Bono celebrates &#8216;Palestinian dream&#8217; at Lincoln Memorial event for Obama</title>
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		<title>By: samuelburke</title>
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		<dc:creator>samuelburke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 11:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://original.antiwar.com/sahimi/2009/05/19/whats-netanyahu-really-afraid-of/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://original.antiwar.com/sahimi/2009/05/19/wha...&lt;/a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://original.antiwar.com/sahimi/2009/05/19/wha...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;    What&#8217;s Netanyahu Really Afraid Of?  by Muhammad Sahimi, May 20, 2009    The crux of the issue is that, Netanyahu, Israel&#8217;s military, and the War Party in the U.S. all believe that an Iran equipped with the technological capability for enriching uranium would have a credible nuclear deterrent and, therefore, would be unattackable. That scenario, as Thomas P.M. Barnett, the author of The Pentagon&#8217;s New Map: War and Peace in the Twenty-First Century, has put it, &quot;would level the playing field by finally allowing the Muslim Middle East to sit one player at the negotiating table as Israel&#8217;s nuclear equal.&quot; Thus, Israel would no longer be able to force its will on its neighbors, a prospect that is not acceptable to the Israeli establishment and the American War Party.    Such a scenario would also have another consequence. A situation in which Israel&#8217;s government maintains a permanent state of war with its neighbors, but in which Israel and the Muslims are in equilibrium militarily, would halt immigration to Israel, even reverse it. That would be the ultimate existential threat to Israel. The only realistic way to prevent this from happening is for Israel to reach a just peace with the Palestinians and Syria and give up the dream of controlling the Litani River. But, Netanyahu, the Likud, and the Israeli establishment are incapable of making these happen, and the progressive forces that could force such a solution have practically disappeared from Israel&#8217;s political scene.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://original.antiwar.com/sahimi/2009/05/19/whats-netanyahu-really-afraid-of/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://original.antiwar.com/sahimi/2009/05/19/wha...</a>    What&rsquo;s Netanyahu Really Afraid Of?  by Muhammad Sahimi, May 20, 2009    The crux of the issue is that, Netanyahu, Israel&rsquo;s military, and the War Party in the U.S. all believe that an Iran equipped with the technological capability for enriching uranium would have a credible nuclear deterrent and, therefore, would be unattackable. That scenario, as Thomas P.M. Barnett, the author of The Pentagon&rsquo;s New Map: War and Peace in the Twenty-First Century, has put it, &quot;would level the playing field by finally allowing the Muslim Middle East to sit one player at the negotiating table as Israel&rsquo;s nuclear equal.&quot; Thus, Israel would no longer be able to force its will on its neighbors, a prospect that is not acceptable to the Israeli establishment and the American War Party.    Such a scenario would also have another consequence. A situation in which Israel&rsquo;s government maintains a permanent state of war with its neighbors, but in which Israel and the Muslims are in equilibrium militarily, would halt immigration to Israel, even reverse it. That would be the ultimate existential threat to Israel. The only realistic way to prevent this from happening is for Israel to reach a just peace with the Palestinians and Syria and give up the dream of controlling the Litani River. But, Netanyahu, the Likud, and the Israeli establishment are incapable of making these happen, and the progressive forces that could force such a solution have practically disappeared from Israel&rsquo;s political scene.</p>
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		<title>By: ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was watching it live, and there was a pregnant pause after he said &quot;an israeli dream&quot; ...... then &quot;a palestinian dream&quot; ... i guess it was for effect, but it almost seemed as if he pondered it for a second (did he think he&#039;d be booed!)... but i am so glad that he said it!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching it live, and there was a pregnant pause after he said &quot;an israeli dream&quot; &#8230;&#8230; then &quot;a palestinian dream&quot; &#8230; i guess it was for effect, but it almost seemed as if he pondered it for a second (did he think he&#39;d be booed!)&#8230; but i am so glad that he said it!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;He DID mention the Israeli dream (not the single-state, not the insecure state under shelling siege).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And, the next IMPORTANT question is how practically will the Palestinian dream be realized?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By solidarity with Hamas? I doubt that the morality driven left can stand that association unless Hamas CHANGES. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He DID mention the Israeli dream (not the single-state, not the insecure state under shelling siege).</p>
<p>And, the next IMPORTANT question is how practically will the Palestinian dream be realized?</p>
<p>By solidarity with Hamas? I doubt that the morality driven left can stand that association unless Hamas CHANGES. </p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The israel dream is followed by a palestinian nightmare&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The israel dream is followed by a palestinian nightmare</p>
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		<title>By: MRW.</title>
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		<dc:creator>MRW.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, Richard, both must change. And the truth of how Hamas tried to broker a different and real peace AND SAID IT WOULD RECOGNIZE ISRAEL as reported by Bob Novak in 2004 has to be recognized without all the obnoxious hyperbole by previously one-sided Zionists.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Richard, both must change. And the truth of how Hamas tried to broker a different and real peace AND SAID IT WOULD RECOGNIZE ISRAEL as reported by Bob Novak in 2004 has to be recognized without all the obnoxious hyperbole by previously one-sided Zionists.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I doubt that the morality driven left can stand that association unless Hamas CHANGES. &quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I consider myself on the morality-driven center-right, nevertheless I will evaluate Hamas&#039; behavior AFTER Israel cleans up its misbehavior, i.e., charges of antisemitism will carry vastly more weight when there are no other far-more-obvious reasons for antipathy: &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;THE COLONIES&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If Israel withdraws to 1967 borders and changes its national security strategy from attempts to &#039;bludgeon acceptance of humiliated defeat into Arab consciousness by any and all means possible&#039; to genuine efforts to make reparations to its Palestinian victims, share regional water resources, engage in mutually profitable trade, etc, etc AND Arabs don&#039;t come around after twenty years or so, then we&#039;ll talk. Until then, it&#039;s the &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;colonies&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, it&#039;s the &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;colonies&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, it&#039;s the &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;colonies&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, and attempts to claim it is something else, while possibly true, cannot be credibly made. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think that most Americans, myself included, would be delighted to assist a transformation of Israel into a normal nation. However, private and official political, economic, and military subsidies to a rogue warmongering relict 19th century colonial state are an unnecessary national security threat to the United States, and real American patriots will work to sever all ties between our nation and Israel until it decides to pursue a different path.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I doubt that the morality driven left can stand that association unless Hamas CHANGES. &quot;</p>
<p>I consider myself on the morality-driven center-right, nevertheless I will evaluate Hamas&#39; behavior AFTER Israel cleans up its misbehavior, i.e., charges of antisemitism will carry vastly more weight when there are no other far-more-obvious reasons for antipathy: <i><b>THE COLONIES</b></i>.</p>
<p>If Israel withdraws to 1967 borders and changes its national security strategy from attempts to &#39;bludgeon acceptance of humiliated defeat into Arab consciousness by any and all means possible&#39; to genuine efforts to make reparations to its Palestinian victims, share regional water resources, engage in mutually profitable trade, etc, etc AND Arabs don&#39;t come around after twenty years or so, then we&#39;ll talk. Until then, it&#39;s the <i><b>colonies</b></i>, it&#39;s the <i><b>colonies</b></i>, it&#39;s the <i><b>colonies</b></i>, and attempts to claim it is something else, while possibly true, cannot be credibly made. </p>
<p>I think that most Americans, myself included, would be delighted to assist a transformation of Israel into a normal nation. However, private and official political, economic, and military subsidies to a rogue warmongering relict 19th century colonial state are an unnecessary national security threat to the United States, and real American patriots will work to sever all ties between our nation and Israel until it decides to pursue a different path.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;No, Richard, both must change. &quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We are in agreement. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But, I didn&#039;t see Hamas change. It CHOSE to re-escalate. I did see Israel restrain from military action for a week, pending Hamas heeding its warning that continued shelling would require a military response.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Maybe it will change now, maybe not. Maybe Israel will change now, maybe not.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Opposing &quot;colonialism&quot; and literally arbitrarily selecting Israel as an example of that for your only articulated dissent, is a stopper.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The rhetoric is noise. I&#039;m sorry that you don&#039;t see that your use of the term &quot;colonialism&quot; is imprecise, inconsistently applied, and barely the sum of issues involved.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Israel is close to being a normal nation. One IMPORTANT element that hinders its transformation is the repeated shelling of civilians formerly by Hezbollah from Lebanon and currently by Hamas from Gaza.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;ANY normal state in which its civilians are routinely shelled would be at war with its neighbors, and more vehemently than Israel. And, being at war is not by definition a normal state of affairs.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;No, Richard, both must change. &quot;</p>
<p>We are in agreement. </p>
<p>But, I didn&#39;t see Hamas change. It CHOSE to re-escalate. I did see Israel restrain from military action for a week, pending Hamas heeding its warning that continued shelling would require a military response.</p>
<p>Maybe it will change now, maybe not. Maybe Israel will change now, maybe not.</p>
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Opposing &quot;colonialism&quot; and literally arbitrarily selecting Israel as an example of that for your only articulated dissent, is a stopper.</p>
<p>The rhetoric is noise. I&#39;m sorry that you don&#39;t see that your use of the term &quot;colonialism&quot; is imprecise, inconsistently applied, and barely the sum of issues involved.</p>
<p>Israel is close to being a normal nation. One IMPORTANT element that hinders its transformation is the repeated shelling of civilians formerly by Hezbollah from Lebanon and currently by Hamas from Gaza.</p>
<p>ANY normal state in which its civilians are routinely shelled would be at war with its neighbors, and more vehemently than Israel. And, being at war is not by definition a normal state of affairs.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is no &quot;Israeli dream&quot;. There is a Zionist ideology which has manifested itself in the racist &quot;state&quot; of Israel. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Zionism is a racist, supremacist ideology which values Jewish lives over others. In fact, it places next to no value at all on non-Jewish lives, aside from what they can do to help the Zionist cause. It also uses many of &quot;its own&quot; (i.e fellow Jews) to further Zionist supremacy and enrich and empower the few at the top. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no &quot;Israeli dream&quot;. There is a Zionist ideology which has manifested itself in the racist &quot;state&quot; of Israel. </p>
<p>Zionism is a racist, supremacist ideology which values Jewish lives over others. In fact, it places next to no value at all on non-Jewish lives, aside from what they can do to help the Zionist cause. It also uses many of &quot;its own&quot; (i.e fellow Jews) to further Zionist supremacy and enrich and empower the few at the top. </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Again and again.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;PROPOSE, rather than only complain.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;And, the next IMPORTANT question is how practically will the Palestinian dream be realized?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again and again.</p>
<p>PROPOSE, rather than only complain.</p>
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&quot;And, the next IMPORTANT question is how practically will the Palestinian dream be realized?&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If Bono is so concerned with Palestinians&#039; fate, why doesn&#039;t he arrange one of his mega concerts in order to help them? &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bono is so concerned with Palestinians&#39; fate, why doesn&#39;t he arrange one of his mega concerts in order to help them? </p>
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