I like the China/Tibet analogy

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Yakov sent me this old gem from Jewcy, way back in 2007:

"What
if the campus Free Tibet club campaigned for divestment from China?
Would that be anti-Chinese bigotry?" asked Asaf Shtull-Trauring, a
20-year-old student and conscientious objector from the Israeli army to Abe Foxman at NYU, 2005]….

Ultimately, it is the seductive appeal of the ADL's dark visions that most threaten us. American Jewry enjoys privileges undreamed of in Jewish history: we are a more accepted, more integral part of our country than any Jewish community ever has been. We have entered unprecedented territory in Jewish history, and the enticements and possibilities of this new era should be setting our souls alight.

–Joey Kurtzman, in an important July 2007 piece about Abe Foxman and the Anti-Defamation League at Jewcy.

15 Responses

  1. Michael W
    January 2, 2009, 2:37 am

    This acceptance as an ethnic group shouldn't be shunned. All minorities ethnic groups should have this kind of acceptance. The emergence of the Jewish Golden Age in America is just the success of one minority in fulfilling the American Dream. Hopefully other minorities such as blacks and Muslims will be able to fulfill the American Dream as well. Perhaps their emergence in fulfillment of the American Dream has already started with Obama.

    On a side-note: Did anyone see the Muslim Canadian Congress' statement on the Gaza situation? It did the usual condemnation of the Israeli air strikes but look at this – "The MCC statement also condemned Hamas for treating the Palestinian people as human-bait in a ploy to provoke Israel into launching an all-out attack on Gaza. In censuring Hamas, the MCC said, the Islamist group had deliberately put the civilian population of Gaza in danger as it played the role of Iran's agent provocateur in the region.

    The MCC believes Hamas deliberately rocketed Israel in an attempt to provoke an Israeli response. The fact that Hamas did not fire a single rocket at Egypt, despite that country's blockade of Gaza, clearly demonstrates the attacks on Israel were not to protest the blockade, but to trigger a military response."

  2. Anon
    January 2, 2009, 4:37 am

    Moral Clarity in Gaza

    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, January 2, 2009; A15

    Late Saturday, thousands of Gazans received Arabic-language cell-phone messages from the Israeli military, urging them to leave homes where militants might have stashed weapons.

    – Associated Press, Dec. 27

    Some geopolitical conflicts are morally complicated. The Israel-Gaza war is not. It possesses a moral clarity not only rare but excruciating.

    Israel is so scrupulous about civilian life that, risking the element of surprise, it contacts enemy noncombatants in advance to warn them of approaching danger. Hamas, which started this conflict with unrelenting rocket and mortar attacks on unarmed Israelis — 6,464 launched from Gaza in the past three years — deliberately places its weapons in and near the homes of its own people.

    This has two purposes. First, counting on the moral scrupulousness of Israel, Hamas figures civilian proximity might help protect at least part of its arsenal. Second, knowing that Israelis have new precision weapons that may allow them to attack nonetheless, Hamas hopes that inevitable collateral damage — or, if it is really fortunate, an errant Israeli bomb — will kill large numbers of its own people for which, of course, the world will blame Israel.

    For Hamas, the only thing more prized than dead Jews are dead Palestinians. The religion of Jew-murder and self-martyrdom is ubiquitous. And deeply perverse, such as the Hamas TV children's program in which an adorable live-action Palestinian Mickey Mouse is beaten to death by an Israeli (then replaced by his more militant cousin, Nahoul the Bee, who vows to continue on Mickey's path to martyrdom).

    At war today in Gaza, one combatant is committed to causing the most civilian pain and suffering on both sides. The other combatant is committed to saving as many lives as possible — also on both sides. It's a recurring theme. Israel gave similar warnings to Southern Lebanese villagers before attacking Hezbollah in the Lebanon war of 2006. The Israelis did this knowing it would lose for them the element of surprise and cost the lives of their own soldiers.

    That is the asymmetry of means between Hamas and Israel. But there is equal clarity regarding the asymmetry of ends. Israel has but a single objective in Gaza — peace: the calm, open, normal relations it offered Gaza when it withdrew in 2005. Doing something never done by the Turkish, British, Egyptian and Jordanian rulers of Palestine, the Israelis gave the Palestinians their first sovereign territory ever in Gaza.

    What ensued? This is not ancient history. Did the Palestinians begin building the state that is supposedly their great national aim? No. No roads, no industry, no courts, no civil society at all. The flourishing greenhouses that Israel left behind for the Palestinians were destroyed and abandoned. Instead, Gaza's Iranian-sponsored rulers have devoted all their resources to turning it into a terror base — importing weapons, training terrorists, building tunnels with which to kidnap Israelis on the other side. And of course firing rockets unceasingly.

    The grievance? It cannot be occupation, military control or settlers. They were all removed in September 2005. There's only one grievance and Hamas is open about it. Israel's very existence.

    Nor does Hamas conceal its strategy. Provoke conflict. Wait for the inevitable civilian casualties. Bring down the world's opprobrium on Israel. Force it into an untenable cease-fire — exactly as happened in Lebanon. Then, as in Lebanon, rearm, rebuild and mobilize for the next round. Perpetual war. Since its raison d'etre is the eradication of Israel, there are only two possible outcomes: the defeat of Hamas or the extinction of Israel.

    Israel's only response is to try to do what it failed to do after the Gaza withdrawal. The unpardonable strategic error of its architect, Ariel Sharon, was not the withdrawal itself but the failure to immediately establish a deterrence regime under which no violence would be tolerated after the removal of any and all Israeli presence — the ostensible justification for previous Palestinian attacks. Instead, Israel allowed unceasing rocket fire, implicitly acquiescing to a state of active war and indiscriminate terror.

    Hamas's rejection of an extension of its often-violated six-month cease-fire (during which the rockets never stopped, just were less frequent) gave Israel a rare opportunity to establish the norm it should have insisted upon three years ago: no rockets, no mortar fire, no kidnapping, no acts of war. As the U.S. government has officially stated: a sustainable and enduring cease-fire. If this fighting ends with anything less than that, Israel will have lost yet another war. The question is whether Israel still retains the nerve — and the moral self-assurance — to win.

    link to washingtonpost.com

  3. Rowan Berkeley
    January 2, 2009, 5:12 am

    Michael W says: "The emergence of the Jewish Golden Age in America is just the success of one minority in fulfilling the American Dream. Hopefully other minorities such as blacks and Muslims will be able to fulfill the American Dream as well. Perhaps their emergence in fulfillment of the American Dream has already started with Obama…"

    This is the most sickening hypocrisy, and also mewlingly stupid as observation. There is no 'American dream', only a Jewish Hollywood nightmare that calls itself that.

  4. Julian
    January 2, 2009, 6:51 am

    Why isn't there a call for a boycott or divestment campaign against China, because of Tibet, by the same people who want to boycott Israel?

  5. Rowan Berkeley
    January 2, 2009, 6:58 am

    "When Arianna Huffington nabbed $25 million from Oak Investment Partners, of Palo Alto, California, she was acquired by a financial network that also has significant investments in the Israeli arms industry – an industry, I might add, directly subsidized and controlled by the Israeli government. For example, Oak Investment has invested in IET/Intelligent Electronics, now morphed into Clickservice Software, an Israeli-based company that makes sophisticated weapons systems and sells them to clients such as "an unnamed Far Eastern country." Oak Investment partner Fred Harman now sits on the Huffington Post's board." ( J Raimondo, AntiWar.com today)

  6. Peter H
    January 2, 2009, 8:08 am

    Krauthammer: "Israel is so scrupulous about civilian life that, risking the element of surprise, it contacts enemy noncombatants in advance to warn them of approaching danger."

    Amnnesty International has a different take on this: "Compounding the atmosphere of fear resulting from the Israeli bombardments, Israeli forces have been sending seemingly random telephone messages to many inhabitants of Gaza telling them to leave their homes because of imminent air strikes against their houses. Such messages have been received by residents of multi-storey apartment building, causing panic not only for those who received the calls but for all their neighbours. Such practice was widely used by Israeli forces both in Gaza and in Lebanon in 2006, but has not been reported since. The threatening calls seem to aim to spread fear among the civilian population, as in most cases no air strikes were carried out against the buildings. If this is the purpose, rather than to give effective warning, this practice violates international law and must end immediately.

    link to amnesty.org

  7. anon
    January 2, 2009, 9:20 am

    Krauthammer completely ignores the facts on the ground over the last two years since Gaza democratically chose HAMAS. A proper
    analogy over that time, and proper context for the current situation,
    is the seige of a medieval castle. First cut off all supplies, then slowly
    starve those inside the castle. Try a few assassin raids in a hole in the castle wall, as those that triggered the recent barrage of Pal rocket and mortar shots early last November. Then bring all your
    giant siege machiness to bear, catapults, towers of archers, etc; and ready your troops for the aftermath of the bombardment. The few truckloads of humanitarian supplies allowed into the castle, especially most recently, and the haphazard recorded messages
    sent to the castle people are nothing more than a PR tactic which
    costs Israel little and allows it to say to the world it cares about
    humanity, in this case, the Palestiniains in Gaza–it also hopes
    in this way to gain support from the Arabs under the puppet government holding power in the West Bank (divide and conquer).

    The irony in the model is that the castle walls are made of Israel
    blockade blocks.

    The other helpful model is that what we are witnessing is an open air prison riot, or the puny rocket uprise from the new Warsaw Ghetto.

  8. Robert Hume
    January 2, 2009, 9:55 am

    Krauthammer's phone calls. If I were an Israeli target specialist I would call suspicious places and see if anyone left. If they left I would have found the weapons caches. So … not a warning but a targeting technique.

  9. Robert Hume
    January 2, 2009, 9:59 am

    Why isn't there a call for a boycott or divestment campaign against China, because of Tibet, by the same people who want to boycott Israel?

    Posted by: Julian | January 02, 2009 at 06:51 AM

    I agree that the Chinese oppression of Tibet is very comparable to the Israeli oppression of Palestinians.

    The reason might be self interest. Allies of the Tibetans are not threatening to nuke our cities.

    BTW, why are they not threatening to nuke our cities? (1) their culture and (2) the US is not supporting, nearly as much, the settlement of ethnic Chinese into Tibet.

  10. Charles Keating
    January 2, 2009, 10:08 am

    "Why isn't there a call for a boycott or divestment campaign against China, because of Tibet, by the same people who want to boycott Israel?"

    Because Phil's momma isn't Chinese.

  11. Charles Keating
    January 2, 2009, 10:29 am

    Bill Pearlman (aka SOG, journalist, etc) is now using my real name again to make his juvenile comments on this blog.

  12. Jim Haygood
    January 2, 2009, 10:46 am

    Welcome to the stolen identity club, Charles. For my part, I questioned the Mondoweiss orthodoxy by describing my conversion from Israel-hater to Israel-liker on the road from Qalqilya. That earned me the scorn of a whole platoon of Philippinas who now steal my name and post insensible trash. The worst was yesterday or the day before when "Jim Haygood" posted lyrics to a Queens song–I group I utterly loathe!
    How could this fake Jim Haygood cocksucker know!

  13. Rowan Berkeley
    January 2, 2009, 2:23 pm

    Do something about the CSS script on the site then, you morons – I've told you about it enough times, haven't I? Ask Phil what the hell it's doing there. Is it FBI, ADL, who?

  14. Michael W
    January 2, 2009, 4:34 pm

    @Rowan,
    Why don't you believe in the American Dream?

  15. Hannü
    January 4, 2009, 3:24 pm

    'I agree that the Chinese oppression of Tibet is very comparable to the Israeli oppression of Palestinians.'

    Unlike the person who wrote that comment, I've been to all four regions and I can tell you the Tibetans in Tibet are living in heaven whereas the Palestinians in hell and I'm not even talking about just this past week in Gaza when over 400 Palestinians have been killed by Israelis.

    The Chinese have restored temples and monasteries and built schools and hospitals whereas the Israelis consider mosques, schools and hospitals in Palestine right airstrike and ground attack targets.

    If you haven't talked much with any Tibetan, here's your chance to hear what they have to say on their land and the Chinese: Dialogues Tibetan Dialogues Han, a travelogue from Tibet containing dozens of conversations with Tibetans in Tibet. Available here:
    link to amazon.com

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