Comments on: My problem with Jewish elite status: Howard Fineman says that McCain served in ‘army’ http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 09:13:32 +0000 hourly 1 By: Colin Murray http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html/comment-page-1#comment-40679 Colin Murray Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/05/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html#comment-40679 <p>Off topic comment:<br /> <br /> It occurs to me that it is unlikely that Israeli planning for the attack on Gaza took place without some measure of coordination with American Jewish establishment institutions, at least with regards to preparing for public relations. I wonder if NSA or FBI counter-intelligence listened in on any interesting conversations.</p> Off topic comment:

It occurs to me that it is unlikely that Israeli planning for the attack on Gaza took place without some measure of coordination with American Jewish establishment institutions, at least with regards to preparing for public relations. I wonder if NSA or FBI counter-intelligence listened in on any interesting conversations.

]]> By: delia http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html/comment-page-1#comment-40680 delia Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/05/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html#comment-40680 <p>Re: militarism and Jews: When I was in Israel, I found it quite interesting that I didnt meet any Jews--Jews being the people among whom I was raised and whose community I have been involved in for most of my life in Canada. </p> <p>That Israel has ended up as an oppressive, violent colonizer and ethnic cleanser is a consequence of peaceful European Jewry’s struggle to masculinize, militarize, and establish their own patriarchal state in order to be recognized as “normal”--i.e., as human beings--by all the other patriarchal states.</p> Re: militarism and Jews: When I was in Israel, I found it quite interesting that I didnt meet any Jews–Jews being the people among whom I was raised and whose community I have been involved in for most of my life in Canada.

That Israel has ended up as an oppressive, violent colonizer and ethnic cleanser is a consequence of peaceful European Jewry’s struggle to masculinize, militarize, and establish their own patriarchal state in order to be recognized as “normal”–i.e., as human beings–by all the other patriarchal states.

]]> By: anonn http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html/comment-page-1#comment-40681 anonn Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/05/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html#comment-40681 <p>I am an American Army combat veteran. I met one jew in my 3 years of service. My brother is a US Marine veteran. He met one jew also. I have a dozen uncles who served in WW2. They met none, though <br /> that was the one war all American Jews were for, and conscription was on. The status show since WW2, the American Jews have rapidly<br /> decreased their military service proportionately. Phil's stats are correct. What does this mean? What if you ask an Israeli family about<br /> military service avoidance? </p> <p>It's the same here.</p> <p>Average Americans know who is pulling the weight, the maiming and dying, the years given up.</p> <p>There's a giant crack in the USA's spirit. American Jews surely hi light it, with all their presence in all mouthy influential corridors of power--but their sons never serve.</p> <p>They are not alone. But the goy elite hypocrisy is off set by the<br /> "trailer trash" of their own blood, who die daily for this land.</p> I am an American Army combat veteran. I met one jew in my 3 years of service. My brother is a US Marine veteran. He met one jew also. I have a dozen uncles who served in WW2. They met none, though
that was the one war all American Jews were for, and conscription was on. The status show since WW2, the American Jews have rapidly
decreased their military service proportionately. Phil's stats are correct. What does this mean? What if you ask an Israeli family about
military service avoidance?

It's the same here.

Average Americans know who is pulling the weight, the maiming and dying, the years given up.

There's a giant crack in the USA's spirit. American Jews surely hi light it, with all their presence in all mouthy influential corridors of power–but their sons never serve.

They are not alone. But the goy elite hypocrisy is off set by the
"trailer trash" of their own blood, who die daily for this land.

]]> By: Zionism=Judaism=Racism http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html/comment-page-1#comment-40682 Zionism=Judaism=Racism Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/05/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html#comment-40682 <p>When will it be obvious to every American that Jews care only about themselves and don't give a rat's ass about the country? </p> When will it be obvious to every American that Jews care only about themselves and don't give a rat's ass about the country?

]]> By: S Kneedler http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html/comment-page-1#comment-40683 S Kneedler Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/05/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html#comment-40683 <p>Another off-topic news alert:</p> <p>At last, Jon Stewart has taken on Israel and the bipartisan cowtowing to the Lobby in WashDC!</p> <p>And now for his guest David Gregory? Will Jon ask him about dual (or single) loyalty toward a Greater Israel?</p> Another off-topic news alert:

At last, Jon Stewart has taken on Israel and the bipartisan cowtowing to the Lobby in WashDC!

And now for his guest David Gregory? Will Jon ask him about dual (or single) loyalty toward a Greater Israel?

]]> By: Roy Belmont http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html/comment-page-1#comment-40684 Roy Belmont Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/05/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html#comment-40684 <p>The droning repetition of Israel as our ally our special friend our beacon of democracy in the Middle East, and how many Israeli soldiers have died in Iraq?<br /> How many served in Iraq?<br /> Colombian soldiers have died in Iraq.<br /> Romanians. Italians. Australians. Filipinos. Brazilians.<br /> No Israelis.<br /> Why does no one even talk about this?<br /> </p> The droning repetition of Israel as our ally our special friend our beacon of democracy in the Middle East, and how many Israeli soldiers have died in Iraq?
How many served in Iraq?
Colombian soldiers have died in Iraq.
Romanians. Italians. Australians. Filipinos. Brazilians.
No Israelis.
Why does no one even talk about this?

]]> By: S Kneedler http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html/comment-page-1#comment-40685 S Kneedler Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/05/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html#comment-40685 <p>[As near as I remember it]<br /> Jon asked David Gregory why politicians are afraid to criticize Israel, rather than why "reporters" like Gregory are.<br /> Gregory responded with the usual slimy evasion that everyone dislikes Hamas.<br /> Stewart asked about "settlements," and </p> <p>David Gregory had the blasted ignorance to reply that settlements IN ISRAEL had increased by X percent under GW Bush.</p> <p>The new host of "MtPress" can't even say "OCCUPIED TERRITORIES."</p> <p>Jon managed to remind the audience that David Gregory is Jewish: "you're the tallest Jew I know," while accusing him of being too flexible with the truth in his answers.<br /> </p> [As near as I remember it]
Jon asked David Gregory why politicians are afraid to criticize Israel, rather than why "reporters" like Gregory are.
Gregory responded with the usual slimy evasion that everyone dislikes Hamas.
Stewart asked about "settlements," and

David Gregory had the blasted ignorance to reply that settlements IN ISRAEL had increased by X percent under GW Bush.

The new host of "MtPress" can't even say "OCCUPIED TERRITORIES."

Jon managed to remind the audience that David Gregory is Jewish: "you're the tallest Jew I know," while accusing him of being too flexible with the truth in his answers.

]]> By: Steve R http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html/comment-page-1#comment-40686 Steve R Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/05/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html#comment-40686 <p>Israel offered troops, planes, advisors, resources, etc. It was rejected on the grounds that it would "inflame" the Arab world.<br /> Meanwhile, for those who aren't stupid, it's quite obvious that Israelis soldiers ARE in Iraq--the Kurdish areas. They're just smart enough not to get killed.</p> Israel offered troops, planes, advisors, resources, etc. It was rejected on the grounds that it would "inflame" the Arab world.
Meanwhile, for those who aren't stupid, it's quite obvious that Israelis soldiers ARE in Iraq–the Kurdish areas. They're just smart enough not to get killed.

]]> By: Kevin Davidson http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html/comment-page-1#comment-40687 Kevin Davidson Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/05/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html#comment-40687 <p>Phil:</p> <p>I agree with some of what you say, but this post pissed me off and requires me to speak up. <br /> I am a Jew who served in the Air Force from 1997-2002. While in, I met some, but not many, "co-religionists." I've since joined a Jewish vet group and follow Jewish servicemen here<br /> http://www.jewsingreen.com</p> <p>My understanding is that Jews are less than 2% of the American population between 18-35. They represent, from what I gather, 1% of the military. That's less than proportionate, but I wonder how it matches with class. The majority of American Jews, nearly 60% are upper-middle class or above. The vast majority, nearly 90%, are college graduates by age 25. So yeah, not too many Jews in the military, but are they less than other well-educated, upper-middle class Americans?<br /> By the way, Jews are 5% of West Point Grads. No shit!</p> Phil:

I agree with some of what you say, but this post pissed me off and requires me to speak up.
I am a Jew who served in the Air Force from 1997-2002. While in, I met some, but not many, "co-religionists." I've since joined a Jewish vet group and follow Jewish servicemen here
link to jewsingreen.com<

My understanding is that Jews are less than 2% of the American population between 18-35. They represent, from what I gather, 1% of the military. That's less than proportionate, but I wonder how it matches with class. The majority of American Jews, nearly 60% are upper-middle class or above. The vast majority, nearly 90%, are college graduates by age 25. So yeah, not too many Jews in the military, but are they less than other well-educated, upper-middle class Americans?
By the way, Jews are 5% of West Point Grads. No shit!

]]> By: Roy Belmont http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html/comment-page-1#comment-40688 Roy Belmont Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/05/my-problem-with-jewish-elite-status-howard-fineman-says-that-mccain-served-in-army.html#comment-40688 <p>Steve R:<br /> It's not clear where on the stupid-smart axis you're placing me or my question, but you can't possibly think that this topic has never received any attention because it's so trivial.<br /> Like it's almost a throwaway point.<br /> Israelis, in Iraq? Nah.<br /> And since you don't come down either side it's hard to tell if you can see the profound absurdity in the rationale you present, or if you're delivering it as making some kind of sense.<br /> Certainly wouldn't want to have "inflamed" the Arab world by our behavior in Iraq, now would we?<br /> Thank God we didn't "inflame" the Arab world by our behavior in Iraq.<br /> </p> Steve R:
It's not clear where on the stupid-smart axis you're placing me or my question, but you can't possibly think that this topic has never received any attention because it's so trivial.
Like it's almost a throwaway point.
Israelis, in Iraq? Nah.
And since you don't come down either side it's hard to tell if you can see the profound absurdity in the rationale you present, or if you're delivering it as making some kind of sense.
Certainly wouldn't want to have "inflamed" the Arab world by our behavior in Iraq, now would we?
Thank God we didn't "inflame" the Arab world by our behavior in Iraq.

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