Comments on: New Year’s Resolution http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/new-years-resolution.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 09:13:32 +0000 hourly 1 By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/new-years-resolution.html/comment-page-1#comment-41318 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/new-years-resolution.html#comment-41318 <p>"Genocide" in Gaza.</p> <p>Isn't that enough to dismiss his comments already.</p> <p>Violence yes. Genocide?</p> "Genocide" in Gaza.

Isn't that enough to dismiss his comments already.

Violence yes. Genocide?

]]> By: Rowan Berkeley http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/new-years-resolution.html/comment-page-1#comment-41319 Rowan Berkeley Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/new-years-resolution.html#comment-41319 <p>Certainly it's genocide, not all at once, but in fits and starts. But I disagree with Pappe and all other mere anti-zionists who think they can isolate and castigate 'zionism' as if it had fallen out of a clear blue sky. Zionism is the organic expression of the JHVH cult. Other, 'Christian' imperialist genocides are mere imitations of it. </p> Certainly it's genocide, not all at once, but in fits and starts. But I disagree with Pappe and all other mere anti-zionists who think they can isolate and castigate 'zionism' as if it had fallen out of a clear blue sky. Zionism is the organic expression of the JHVH cult. Other, 'Christian' imperialist genocides are mere imitations of it.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/new-years-resolution.html/comment-page-1#comment-41320 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/new-years-resolution.html#comment-41320 <p>It certainly is NOT genocide in the slightest.</p> <p>Its not the murder of a million Indians, with all of us beneficiaries of free land (even if 80% of the deaths were from disease).</p> <p>Its not the murder of 1 million Armenians. Its not the mass murder and INDISCRIMMINATE shelling Sarajevo. Its not the murder of 6 million Jews, 500,000 Gypsies, homosexuals and others in orchestrated, planned camps.</p> <p>Phil knows English, but he abuses it.</p> <p>It is not necessary to exagerate. It is far better to describe as a perspective, in that that is more believable than propaganda and invective.</p> <p>It also can be contested, whereas invective becomes incontestable.</p> <p>A portion of Phil's analysis I imagine includes an unarticulated fear that he will lose the limited audience that he now has, that we will have to recant years of assertions, that his empire will be seen to have different clothes, if any.</p> <p>And that makes me suspect that he conforms, more than thinks freely, more than analyzes accurately.</p> <p>It requires COMPLETE assessment, acknowledging even relative truth in others' perspectives, even if he differs in conclusion and analysis.</p> <p>And, to get there, it requires INVESTIGATION into other perspectives.</p> <p>That he went to Hebron on a leftish guided tour and NEVER interviewed a settler, appalls me. I doubt that he or I would conclude that the neo-religious parts of the settler movement is right, that the land was permanently given to the children of Abraham via Isaac via Jacob.</p> <p>But, at least he wouldn't simply trivialize the perspective, the urge, at times the need.</p> <p><br /> </p> It certainly is NOT genocide in the slightest.

Its not the murder of a million Indians, with all of us beneficiaries of free land (even if 80% of the deaths were from disease).

Its not the murder of 1 million Armenians. Its not the mass murder and INDISCRIMMINATE shelling Sarajevo. Its not the murder of 6 million Jews, 500,000 Gypsies, homosexuals and others in orchestrated, planned camps.

Phil knows English, but he abuses it.

It is not necessary to exagerate. It is far better to describe as a perspective, in that that is more believable than propaganda and invective.

It also can be contested, whereas invective becomes incontestable.

A portion of Phil's analysis I imagine includes an unarticulated fear that he will lose the limited audience that he now has, that we will have to recant years of assertions, that his empire will be seen to have different clothes, if any.

And that makes me suspect that he conforms, more than thinks freely, more than analyzes accurately.

It requires COMPLETE assessment, acknowledging even relative truth in others' perspectives, even if he differs in conclusion and analysis.

And, to get there, it requires INVESTIGATION into other perspectives.

That he went to Hebron on a leftish guided tour and NEVER interviewed a settler, appalls me. I doubt that he or I would conclude that the neo-religious parts of the settler movement is right, that the land was permanently given to the children of Abraham via Isaac via Jacob.

But, at least he wouldn't simply trivialize the perspective, the urge, at times the need.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/new-years-resolution.html/comment-page-1#comment-41321 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/new-years-resolution.html#comment-41321 <p>Media.</p> <p>The ONLY mass media that I encounter are newspapers.</p> <p>I do not watch TV.</p> <p>I expect that differs from the VAST majority here. I expect that most derive 80% of their information from TV, and rationally describe that as incomplete.</p> <p>The combination of reaction to TV, with the blogosphere adds up to an entirely different conclusion than the combination of press and blogosphere.</p> <p>The effect of images (violence and other) are lost on me. I don't see them. I haven't seen images of Palestinian suffering, even of explosions and smoke.</p> <p>The only images that I've seen are the exagerated and misrepresentative ones that are presented here.</p> <p>They complement and maybe fill in gaps between the TV and reality, but stated alone they MIS-represent.</p> Media.

The ONLY mass media that I encounter are newspapers.

I do not watch TV.

I expect that differs from the VAST majority here. I expect that most derive 80% of their information from TV, and rationally describe that as incomplete.

The combination of reaction to TV, with the blogosphere adds up to an entirely different conclusion than the combination of press and blogosphere.

The effect of images (violence and other) are lost on me. I don't see them. I haven't seen images of Palestinian suffering, even of explosions and smoke.

The only images that I've seen are the exagerated and misrepresentative ones that are presented here.

They complement and maybe fill in gaps between the TV and reality, but stated alone they MIS-represent.

]]> By: D. http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/new-years-resolution.html/comment-page-1#comment-41322 D. Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/new-years-resolution.html#comment-41322 <p>Here are two good charities people might like to support--</p> <p><a href="http://www.helpupa.com/" rel="nofollow">United Palestinian Appeal</a>United Palestinian Appeal<br /> <a href="http://www.mecaforpeace.org/" rel="nofollow">Middle East Children's Alliance</a>Middle East Children's Alliance</p> <p>(Both of these groups are genuinely getting aid to to Palestinian people, not funneling it into the pockets of parasitic Jewish "peace workers".)</p> <p>Please add the names of other charities you can recommend.</p> Here are two good charities people might like to support–

United Palestinian AppealUnited Palestinian Appeal
Middle East Children's AllianceMiddle East Children's Alliance

(Both of these groups are genuinely getting aid to to Palestinian people, not funneling it into the pockets of parasitic Jewish "peace workers".)

Please add the names of other charities you can recommend.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/new-years-resolution.html/comment-page-1#comment-41323 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/new-years-resolution.html#comment-41323 <p>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052299.html</p> <p>Israel launches ground operation in Gaza Strip<br /> By Amos Harel, Yoav Stern and Yanir Yagana, Haaretz Correspondents, and News Agencies<br /> Tags: Hamas, Gaza, Israel news </p> <p><br /> Israel entered the second week of its offensive against rockets from Hamas-ruled Gaza on Saturday evening by launching a much-expected ground operation into the coastal strip. "</p> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052299.html

Israel launches ground operation in Gaza Strip
By Amos Harel, Yoav Stern and Yanir Yagana, Haaretz Correspondents, and News Agencies
Tags: Hamas, Gaza, Israel news

Israel entered the second week of its offensive against rockets from Hamas-ruled Gaza on Saturday evening by launching a much-expected ground operation into the coastal strip. "

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/new-years-resolution.html/comment-page-1#comment-41324 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/new-years-resolution.html#comment-41324 <p>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052315.html</p> <p>EU presidency: Israel ground op in Gaza 'defensive not offensive'<br /> By Haaretz Service and Reuters<br /> Tags: Gaza, Israel, Israel news </p> <p>PRAGUE - European Union president, the Czech Republic, said Saturday an Israeli ground offensive in Gaza was "defensive, not offensive" action.</p> <p>"At the moment, from the perspective of the last days, we understand this step as a defensive, not offensive, action," Czech EU presidency spokesman Jiri Potuznik said.</p> <p>Czech Foreign Minister Karel Schwarzenberg is leading an EU delegation to the region Sunday, and Potuznik said the presidency will wait to see the results of that visit. </p> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052315.html

EU presidency: Israel ground op in Gaza 'defensive not offensive'
By Haaretz Service and Reuters
Tags: Gaza, Israel, Israel news

PRAGUE – European Union president, the Czech Republic, said Saturday an Israeli ground offensive in Gaza was "defensive, not offensive" action.

"At the moment, from the perspective of the last days, we understand this step as a defensive, not offensive, action," Czech EU presidency spokesman Jiri Potuznik said.

Czech Foreign Minister Karel Schwarzenberg is leading an EU delegation to the region Sunday, and Potuznik said the presidency will wait to see the results of that visit.

]]> By: David Green http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/new-years-resolution.html/comment-page-1#comment-41325 David Green Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/new-years-resolution.html#comment-41325 <p>An ideology is justification for a land grab and ethnic cleansing. You don't need it anymore once that's achieved. It's just pure naked capitalist statist militaristic imperialism. At that point, the ideology is for show. Settler radicalism can be stamped out in weeks. U.S./Israel choose not to. They need the eggs--that is, land, power, oil, hegemony. I love Pappe, but his use of ideology as explanation is reductive. Lets call greed and barbarism for what they are. Thugs don't need ideology; the NYT just needs it to sanitize murder.</p> An ideology is justification for a land grab and ethnic cleansing. You don't need it anymore once that's achieved. It's just pure naked capitalist statist militaristic imperialism. At that point, the ideology is for show. Settler radicalism can be stamped out in weeks. U.S./Israel choose not to. They need the eggs–that is, land, power, oil, hegemony. I love Pappe, but his use of ideology as explanation is reductive. Lets call greed and barbarism for what they are. Thugs don't need ideology; the NYT just needs it to sanitize murder.

]]> By: raBBI kook http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/new-years-resolution.html/comment-page-1#comment-41326 raBBI kook Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/new-years-resolution.html#comment-41326 <p>Witty never looks at the larger view, except the one his particular G-D has chosen in his view, the one he adores, the sole tribal one of those most<br /> known across the first current wealthiest world.</p> Witty never looks at the larger view, except the one his particular G-D has chosen in his view, the one he adores, the sole tribal one of those most
known across the first current wealthiest world.

]]> By: David http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/new-years-resolution.html/comment-page-1#comment-41327 David Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/new-years-resolution.html#comment-41327 <p>Don't waste your money with those charities! Send everything to the Holy Land Foundation!<br /> For those who are rooting for Truth and Justice, here's a better charity.</p> <p>http://www.israelsoldiers.org/<br /> </p> Don't waste your money with those charities! Send everything to the Holy Land Foundation!
For those who are rooting for Truth and Justice, here's a better charity.

http://www.israelsoldiers.org/

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