Comments on: Official Israeli video footage on youtube depicts an apparent atrocity http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: America http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html/comment-page-1#comment-41383 America Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html#comment-41383 <p>What next? The BBC reporting that suicide bombers are actually performance artists? Phil, the most gullible, idiot inthe world wouldn't buy that story. Falling for it makes you less worldly than george a bush!<br /> </p> What next? The BBC reporting that suicide bombers are actually performance artists? Phil, the most gullible, idiot inthe world wouldn't buy that story. Falling for it makes you less worldly than george a bush!

]]> By: Israel http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html/comment-page-1#comment-41384 Israel Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html#comment-41384 <p>No, America, Phil is not gullible, you are.</p> No, America, Phil is not gullible, you are.

]]> By: Eurosabra http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html/comment-page-1#comment-41385 Eurosabra Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html#comment-41385 <p><br /> If true, they had the misfortune of trying to save oxygen canisters that would look like missiles to a drone's camera and any observer. For the Middle East, this is pretty much a Darwin Award moment, anyone with adequate foresight would have written the canisters off, tried to get them out of the workshop before they burned, and carted them--while waving as many white flags as possible--into the nearest empty field, where they would either combust from the effects of the damage to the workshop or be bombed as apparent missiles. Loading anything that looks like a missile on a truck in a war zone is idiocy.</p> <p>Lots of people keep talking about "reasonable person" and "forseeable risk" tests, and frankly, those tests are not only obligations on the Israeli side.</p> If true, they had the misfortune of trying to save oxygen canisters that would look like missiles to a drone's camera and any observer. For the Middle East, this is pretty much a Darwin Award moment, anyone with adequate foresight would have written the canisters off, tried to get them out of the workshop before they burned, and carted them–while waving as many white flags as possible–into the nearest empty field, where they would either combust from the effects of the damage to the workshop or be bombed as apparent missiles. Loading anything that looks like a missile on a truck in a war zone is idiocy.

Lots of people keep talking about "reasonable person" and "forseeable risk" tests, and frankly, those tests are not only obligations on the Israeli side.

]]> By: BLG http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html/comment-page-1#comment-41386 BLG Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html#comment-41386 <p><i>this is pretty much a Darwin Award moment, anyone with adequate foresight would have written the canisters off, tried to get them out of the workshop before they burned, and carted them--while waving as many white flags as possible--into the nearest empty field</i></p> <p>Damn that guy for trying to save his economic livelihood in a walled off Ghetto under a blockade. Lets all laugh at his means to save his way to provide for his family then callously ignore the civilian ramifications. </p> this is pretty much a Darwin Award moment, anyone with adequate foresight would have written the canisters off, tried to get them out of the workshop before they burned, and carted them–while waving as many white flags as possible–into the nearest empty field

Damn that guy for trying to save his economic livelihood in a walled off Ghetto under a blockade. Lets all laugh at his means to save his way to provide for his family then callously ignore the civilian ramifications.

]]> By: Eurosabra http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html/comment-page-1#comment-41387 Eurosabra Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html#comment-41387 <p><br /> The objects are also obviously too short to be Grads, and too wide and without tapering to be Qassams, which can be seen clearly as the men load one sideways to the truck's bed and then turn it lengthwise. Obviously none of the observers bothered to check against a standard "recognition card" for Grads. Ironically, Israeli Defense Forces troops on the ground would not have made this mistake--and the error is also partly a function of Hamas's upgrading its weaponry (which meant that Forward Observers saw "Grads" and not oxygen tanks) and control over Gaza (where no Israeli can tread to see oxygen tanks.) So this is an unfortunate side effect of the Moqawwamma's (Resistance's) success. Why aren't Hamas voters happier?</p> <p>Leave the tanks in the workshop, if they're stable. Moving them is not worth the risk.</p> The objects are also obviously too short to be Grads, and too wide and without tapering to be Qassams, which can be seen clearly as the men load one sideways to the truck's bed and then turn it lengthwise. Obviously none of the observers bothered to check against a standard "recognition card" for Grads. Ironically, Israeli Defense Forces troops on the ground would not have made this mistake–and the error is also partly a function of Hamas's upgrading its weaponry (which meant that Forward Observers saw "Grads" and not oxygen tanks) and control over Gaza (where no Israeli can tread to see oxygen tanks.) So this is an unfortunate side effect of the Moqawwamma's (Resistance's) success. Why aren't Hamas voters happier?

Leave the tanks in the workshop, if they're stable. Moving them is not worth the risk.

]]> By: Rowan Berkeley http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html/comment-page-1#comment-41388 Rowan Berkeley Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html#comment-41388 <p>Euroanimal, do you ever look in the mirror, and see your own eyes? Do you ever look right into your own eyes and see what's hiding behind them? The rest of the world can see the wild beast within, you know.</p> Euroanimal, do you ever look in the mirror, and see your own eyes? Do you ever look right into your own eyes and see what's hiding behind them? The rest of the world can see the wild beast within, you know.

]]> By: Americansabra http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html/comment-page-1#comment-41389 Americansabra Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html#comment-41389 <p>Gee, those stupid camel jockeys, trying to avoid keeping their families alive. More American taxpayer dollars for drones are obviously needed to squelch the innocent Pals' desire to live.</p> Gee, those stupid camel jockeys, trying to avoid keeping their families alive. More American taxpayer dollars for drones are obviously needed to squelch the innocent Pals' desire to live.

]]> By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html/comment-page-1#comment-41390 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html#comment-41390 <p>Are you sure they weren't extra long puppy dog containers?</p> Are you sure they weren't extra long puppy dog containers?

]]> By: Eurosabra http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html/comment-page-1#comment-41391 Eurosabra Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html#comment-41391 <p><br /> Also, Phil, "war crime" is a defined legal category, while atrocity is not. As far as ius in bello is concerned, an honest recognition error is not a war crime. This is a misidentification of an industrial good as a weapon made possible by the transportation of clandestine real rockets from industrial buildings, unmounted and unidentifiable as weapons, by non-uniformed combatants. Hamas camouflaged these men to death.</p> <p>I would use any amount of power available to subtract Israelis from the judgement of any kangaroo court so ill-informed in military and civil defense matters (and my background is in Civil Defense emergency medicine) as to regard this as an "atrocity."</p> Also, Phil, "war crime" is a defined legal category, while atrocity is not. As far as ius in bello is concerned, an honest recognition error is not a war crime. This is a misidentification of an industrial good as a weapon made possible by the transportation of clandestine real rockets from industrial buildings, unmounted and unidentifiable as weapons, by non-uniformed combatants. Hamas camouflaged these men to death.

I would use any amount of power available to subtract Israelis from the judgement of any kangaroo court so ill-informed in military and civil defense matters (and my background is in Civil Defense emergency medicine) as to regard this as an "atrocity."

]]> By: Eva Smagacz http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html/comment-page-1#comment-41392 Eva Smagacz Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/03/official-israeli-video-footage-depicts-an-atrocity.html#comment-41392 <p>I wonder what this kid did that allows us to blame him for his own death.<br /> Maybe his pram looked a bit too much like a missile? </p> <p><br /> <img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iZAh1Ljaezc/SV9OeqB9KdI/AAAAAAAAALE/S-ZzCH4m_2s/s320/3baby+murdered+29f8.jpg" alt=""></a></p> I wonder what this kid did that allows us to blame him for his own death.
Maybe his pram looked a bit too much like a missile?

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