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	<title>Comments on: Once more into the breech, Michael Oren!</title>
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		<title>By: samuelburke</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/once-more-into-the-breech-michael-oren.html/comment-page-1#comment-40943</link>
		<dc:creator>samuelburke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;http://www.juancole.com/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Israel&#039;s political tradition seeks expansion if possible; if not possible, it seeks a balance of power with its enemies. If that is not possible, it seeks to be held harmless from its avowed foes. If that is not possible, it is willing to wage total war to punish the enemy population until it accepts at least a cold peace. (I mean by &quot;total war&quot; war on the civilian population in which the guerrilla group is embedded, as for instance dropping a million cluster bombs on the farms of south Lebanon in 2006 or half-starving Gazan children in 2007-2008, methods illegal in international law but routinely deployed by Israeli leaders and defended by most Zionists everywhere.) Where necessary, Israel is willing to give up territorial expansion to get the cold peace. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
i hope americans wake up one day...and see israel for the shittly little hell hole that it is.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Israel&#39;s political tradition seeks expansion if possible; if not possible, it seeks a balance of power with its enemies. If that is not possible, it seeks to be held harmless from its avowed foes. If that is not possible, it is willing to wage total war to punish the enemy population until it accepts at least a cold peace. (I mean by &quot;total war&quot; war on the civilian population in which the guerrilla group is embedded, as for instance dropping a million cluster bombs on the farms of south Lebanon in 2006 or half-starving Gazan children in 2007-2008, methods illegal in international law but routinely deployed by Israeli leaders and defended by most Zionists everywhere.) Where necessary, Israel is willing to give up territorial expansion to get the cold peace. </p>
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i hope americans wake up one day&#8230;and see israel for the shittly little hell hole that it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/once-more-into-the-breech-michael-oren.html/comment-page-1#comment-40944</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jeez, read it, Phil. It&#039;s practically a confession --&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&#039;I am far beyond reserve age (two of my post-army kids are waiting for their call-ups), but have remained in the ranks because of my familiarity with the foreign press. Though I&#039;ll soon be signing off on a weapon and body armor, more efficaciously, &lt;b&gt;I&#039;ll check out the maps, photographs, and statistic charts designed to reinforce Israel&#039;s case in the media.&lt;/b&gt; Such accoutrements can be as crucial as any tank on today&#039;s battlefield, where victory may hinge as much on individual valor as on a collective image on TV. And, with all due deference to Hamas&#039;s fighters, journalists often pose a more formidable challenge.&#039;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As they say in Israel ... &#039;Hasbara is mightier than the sword.&#039;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Or to put it in different terms -- with Michael Oren on the case, nothing we see in the MSM can be taken at face value.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He&#039;s a good man, lyin&#039; for his country. May the truth prevail.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, read it, Phil. It&#39;s practically a confession &#8211;</p>
<p>&#39;I am far beyond reserve age (two of my post-army kids are waiting for their call-ups), but have remained in the ranks because of my familiarity with the foreign press. Though I&#39;ll soon be signing off on a weapon and body armor, more efficaciously, <b>I&#39;ll check out the maps, photographs, and statistic charts designed to reinforce Israel&#39;s case in the media.</b> Such accoutrements can be as crucial as any tank on today&#39;s battlefield, where victory may hinge as much on individual valor as on a collective image on TV. And, with all due deference to Hamas&#39;s fighters, journalists often pose a more formidable challenge.&#39;</p>
<p>As they say in Israel &#8230; &#39;Hasbara is mightier than the sword.&#39;</p>
<p>Or to put it in different terms &#8212; with Michael Oren on the case, nothing we see in the MSM can be taken at face value.</p>
<p>He&#39;s a good man, lyin&#39; for his country. May the truth prevail.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva Smagacz</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/once-more-into-the-breech-michael-oren.html/comment-page-1#comment-40945</link>
		<dc:creator>Eva Smagacz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iZAh1Ljaezc/SWFpDVm2yaI/AAAAAAAAAN0/iKqur6BRsS8/s1600-h/gaza_warsaw_ghetto.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iZAh1Ljaezc/SWFpDVm2yaI/AAAAAAAAAN0/iKqur6BRsS8/s320/gaza_warsaw_ghetto.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/once-more-into-the-breech-michael-oren.html/comment-page-1#comment-40946</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As much as it has delegitimized Israel, the Gaza massacre has been even more effective in demolishing the last slender reed of credibility which the U.S. Lamestream Media once had.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The MSM&#039;s PR flacks and puff-piece scribblers shamelessly print tendentious Israeli propaganda, some of it straight from our own pwned government.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Pray that the lapdog MSM doesn&#039;t get its razor teeth into the TARP slush fund, as our courageous Soviet banking, auto and steel industry comrades already have done.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We pay for our own oppression in the form of    &#039;Click It or Ticket&#039; threats and dark Partnership For a Drug-Free America invocations of piss-test fascism. Who needs publicly-subsidized Soviet broadsheets, rolling off the presses straight into the pulp mills, for re-export to China. We could at least wrap fish in them, but the oceans are all fished out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Garbage in, garbage out, as the saying goes.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as it has delegitimized Israel, the Gaza massacre has been even more effective in demolishing the last slender reed of credibility which the U.S. Lamestream Media once had.</p>
<p>The MSM&#39;s PR flacks and puff-piece scribblers shamelessly print tendentious Israeli propaganda, some of it straight from our own pwned government.</p>
<p>Pray that the lapdog MSM doesn&#39;t get its razor teeth into the TARP slush fund, as our courageous Soviet banking, auto and steel industry comrades already have done.</p>
<p>We pay for our own oppression in the form of    &#39;Click It or Ticket&#39; threats and dark Partnership For a Drug-Free America invocations of piss-test fascism. Who needs publicly-subsidized Soviet broadsheets, rolling off the presses straight into the pulp mills, for re-export to China. We could at least wrap fish in them, but the oceans are all fished out.</p>
<p>Garbage in, garbage out, as the saying goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/once-more-into-the-breech-michael-oren.html/comment-page-1#comment-40947</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So much ANTI Phil.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What are you for?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much ANTI Phil.</p>
<p>What are you for?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/once-more-into-the-breech-michael-oren.html/comment-page-1#comment-40948</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052589.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sarkozy: Hamas to blame for Gaza suffering&lt;br /&gt;
By Reuters&lt;br /&gt;
Tags: gaza, israel news, israel &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
French President Nicolas Sarkozy told three Lebanese newspapers that Hamas bore &quot;a heavy responsibility for the sufferings of the Palestinian people&quot; and that its rocket attacks had to stop.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sarkozy&#039;s comments will be published on Monday, the same day he arrives in Israel as part of the French and European effort to broker a cease-fire to end the war between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. &lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Sarkozy: Hamas to blame for Gaza suffering<br />
By Reuters<br />
Tags: gaza, israel news, israel </p>
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French President Nicolas Sarkozy told three Lebanese newspapers that Hamas bore &quot;a heavy responsibility for the sufferings of the Palestinian people&quot; and that its rocket attacks had to stop.</p>
<p>Sarkozy&#39;s comments will be published on Monday, the same day he arrives in Israel as part of the French and European effort to broker a cease-fire to end the war between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/once-more-into-the-breech-michael-oren.html/comment-page-1#comment-40949</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052580.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Livni rejects Russian offer to pass messages on to Hamas&lt;br /&gt;
By Barak Ravid, Haaretz Correspondent&lt;br /&gt;
Tags: Hamas, Israel News &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni on Sunday rejected an offer by a Russian envoy to contact Hamas via Russia in order to reach a cease-fire with the Palestinian militant group in Gaza.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;We are serious in our intention to harm Hamas and we have no intention to give them legitimize them and pass messages on to them. We have nothing to discuss with Hamas,&quot; Livni told Alexander Saltanov, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev&#039;s special envoy to the Middle East. &lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Livni rejects Russian offer to pass messages on to Hamas<br />
By Barak Ravid, Haaretz Correspondent<br />
Tags: Hamas, Israel News </p>
<p>Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni on Sunday rejected an offer by a Russian envoy to contact Hamas via Russia in order to reach a cease-fire with the Palestinian militant group in Gaza.</p>
<p>&quot;We are serious in our intention to harm Hamas and we have no intention to give them legitimize them and pass messages on to them. We have nothing to discuss with Hamas,&quot; Livni told Alexander Saltanov, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev&#39;s special envoy to the Middle East. </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/once-more-into-the-breech-michael-oren.html/comment-page-1#comment-40950</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052566.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;WATCH: Amid Gaza violence, Israeli and Palestinian doctors save baby&#039;s life&lt;br /&gt;
By Israel21c&lt;br /&gt;
Tags: Israel News, Hamas, Gaza &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As rockets rained down in Israel and Gaza, doctors from both sides united in a successful bid to keep a two-week-old Palestinian baby boy alive.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>WATCH: Amid Gaza violence, Israeli and Palestinian doctors save baby&#39;s life<br />
By Israel21c<br />
Tags: Israel News, Hamas, Gaza </p>
<p>As rockets rained down in Israel and Gaza, doctors from both sides united in a successful bid to keep a two-week-old Palestinian baby boy alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/once-more-into-the-breech-michael-oren.html/comment-page-1#comment-40951</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sure we all read Ha&#039;aretz here. We&#039;re well aware of the reality and the spin. The shitty part is we comment and post and have our views about it and it nary makes a difference. Sarkozy thinks saying Hamas is to blame will lead to a ceasefire? Talk about inverted reality. Death is getting perverse.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As difficult as it may be to read, Phil seems to be FOR more anti-Zionists to have a voice here. Not just post-Zionists, proto-Zionists, ultra-Zionists, sado-Zionists and fuck-me-Zionists. Nothing from Palestinians (except on independent circuits).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It seems you have to pass the test in order to get a chance to get an op-ed here: blame Hamas. Yay! That gets things rolling.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m sure we all read Ha&#39;aretz here. We&#39;re well aware of the reality and the spin. The shitty part is we comment and post and have our views about it and it nary makes a difference. Sarkozy thinks saying Hamas is to blame will lead to a ceasefire? Talk about inverted reality. Death is getting perverse.</p>
<p>As difficult as it may be to read, Phil seems to be FOR more anti-Zionists to have a voice here. Not just post-Zionists, proto-Zionists, ultra-Zionists, sado-Zionists and fuck-me-Zionists. Nothing from Palestinians (except on independent circuits).</p>
<p>It seems you have to pass the test in order to get a chance to get an op-ed here: blame Hamas. Yay! That gets things rolling.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/once-more-into-the-breech-michael-oren.html/comment-page-1#comment-40952</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Memo to Livni:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Israel observed a ceasefire already with Hamas. Stupid. I guess that didn&#039;t &quot;legitimise&quot; them since it was used to augur a surprise attack on them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now you&#039;re stuck with a scorched-earth policy: kill them all. We&#039;re bound for purgatory in Gaza. The burning will only ferment more horror.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Israel observed a ceasefire already with Hamas. Stupid. I guess that didn&#39;t &quot;legitimise&quot; them since it was used to augur a surprise attack on them.</p>
<p>Now you&#39;re stuck with a scorched-earth policy: kill them all. We&#39;re bound for purgatory in Gaza. The burning will only ferment more horror.</p>
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