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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is big news! I can&#039;t believe Diane Johnstone (who, you will remember, attacked the Prague uprising in 1968 being &quot;counter-revolutionary&quot;) is still alive!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is big news! I can&#39;t believe Diane Johnstone (who, you will remember, attacked the Prague uprising in 1968 being &quot;counter-revolutionary&quot;) is still alive!</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;she is, anon, and she just rocked my world&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>she is, anon, and she just rocked my world</p>
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		<title>By: John Lewis-Dickerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Lewis-Dickerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;************************************&lt;br /&gt;
YES, Bricmont/Johnstone was a wonderful article, but take note of this -&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;War and Natural Gas: The Israeli Invasion and Gaza&#039;s Offshore Gas Fields&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;by Michel Chossudovsky&lt;br /&gt;
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Global Research, January 8, 2009 &lt;br /&gt;
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The military invasion of the Gaza Strip by Israeli Forces bears a direct relation to the control and ownership of strategic offshore gas reserves. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is a war of conquest. Discovered in 2000, there are extensive gas reserves off the Gaza coastline. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;British Gas (BG Group) and its partner, the Athens based Consolidated Contractors International Company (CCC) owned by Lebanon&#039;s Sabbagh and Koury families, were granted oil and gas exploration rights in a 25 year agreement signed in November 1999 with the Palestinian Authority......&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;ENTIRE ARTICLE - http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=11680 &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>************************************<br />
YES, Bricmont/Johnstone was a wonderful article, but take note of this -</p>
<p>War and Natural Gas: The Israeli Invasion and Gaza&#39;s Offshore Gas Fields</p>
<p>by Michel Chossudovsky</p>
<p>Global Research, January 8, 2009 </p>
<p>The military invasion of the Gaza Strip by Israeli Forces bears a direct relation to the control and ownership of strategic offshore gas reserves. </p>
<p>This is a war of conquest. Discovered in 2000, there are extensive gas reserves off the Gaza coastline. </p>
<p>British Gas (BG Group) and its partner, the Athens based Consolidated Contractors International Company (CCC) owned by Lebanon&#39;s Sabbagh and Koury families, were granted oil and gas exploration rights in a 25 year agreement signed in November 1999 with the Palestinian Authority&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>ENTIRE ARTICLE &#8211; <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&#038;aid=11680">link to globalresearch.ca</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s important to remember that many left-wing activists are motivated by a common mindset that runs as a psychological undercurrent through much of their world view, and who the “bad guys” of the world are. In left-wing mythos, it’s generally conservative-white-male-Christians who are Evil, and who are the primary victimizers of humanity. Liberal Jews, feminists, homosexuals, socialists and all manner of left-liberal academics hold this principle dear to their hearts, and will mightily resist any unpleasnt truths that throw that world view into question.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Suggesting that Zionist Jews may well be Evil does just that. Why? Because everybody knows Jews are the ultimate victims of conservative-white-male-Christians -- left-wing mythos says so -- and if it turns out that a good portion of Jews are Evil, too (are in fact hard-Right quasi-fascists when it comes to their own interests) then it throws the entire left-wing black and white narrative into disarray. If the Jews aren’t the righteous victims that leftists have insisted they were for decades, who else might be counterfeit “victims” as well? Feminists? Homosexuals? People of color? It’s all really too much for the dogmatic leftist to bear, the implications are too massive and earth-shattering, and so it’s far easier for them to bury their heads in the sand and insist that it’s white-male-Christian-imperialists pulling the strings behind Israel’s scenes and that the Jews are still the righteous victims that the left has always insisted they were. (And of course, the fact that Jews give so much money to the Democratic party makes it that much easier for left-liberals to persist in their fantasy/false consciousness).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, there are plenty of liberals that don’t bury their heads in the sand on the Israeli issue, and have been calling the Zionists on their Evil for decades (ie CounterPunch.org). But the shrewd political Democratic Party operatives like David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, Harry Reid and Barney Frank are scared to death of what will happen to the entire left-wing “victim” coalition of it expels “the Jews,” and many European left-liberals no doubt go through similar calculations.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So who must be sacrificed in order that the left-liberal establishment can continue to live in a black and white fantasy land, one big happy (and powerful) “victim” family? Why the Palestinians, of course, and increasingly all the other non Jews in the greater Mideast area. Millions, potentially.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Charming people, those establishment left-liberals. What moral courage they exhibit.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s important to remember that many left-wing activists are motivated by a common mindset that runs as a psychological undercurrent through much of their world view, and who the “bad guys” of the world are. In left-wing mythos, it’s generally conservative-white-male-Christians who are Evil, and who are the primary victimizers of humanity. Liberal Jews, feminists, homosexuals, socialists and all manner of left-liberal academics hold this principle dear to their hearts, and will mightily resist any unpleasnt truths that throw that world view into question.  </p>
<p>Suggesting that Zionist Jews may well be Evil does just that. Why? Because everybody knows Jews are the ultimate victims of conservative-white-male-Christians &#8212; left-wing mythos says so &#8212; and if it turns out that a good portion of Jews are Evil, too (are in fact hard-Right quasi-fascists when it comes to their own interests) then it throws the entire left-wing black and white narrative into disarray. If the Jews aren’t the righteous victims that leftists have insisted they were for decades, who else might be counterfeit “victims” as well? Feminists? Homosexuals? People of color? It’s all really too much for the dogmatic leftist to bear, the implications are too massive and earth-shattering, and so it’s far easier for them to bury their heads in the sand and insist that it’s white-male-Christian-imperialists pulling the strings behind Israel’s scenes and that the Jews are still the righteous victims that the left has always insisted they were. (And of course, the fact that Jews give so much money to the Democratic party makes it that much easier for left-liberals to persist in their fantasy/false consciousness).</p>
<p>Of course, there are plenty of liberals that don’t bury their heads in the sand on the Israeli issue, and have been calling the Zionists on their Evil for decades (ie CounterPunch.org). But the shrewd political Democratic Party operatives like David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, Harry Reid and Barney Frank are scared to death of what will happen to the entire left-wing “victim” coalition of it expels “the Jews,” and many European left-liberals no doubt go through similar calculations.</p>
<p>So who must be sacrificed in order that the left-liberal establishment can continue to live in a black and white fantasy land, one big happy (and powerful) “victim” family? Why the Palestinians, of course, and increasingly all the other non Jews in the greater Mideast area. Millions, potentially.</p>
<p>Charming people, those establishment left-liberals. What moral courage they exhibit.</p>
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		<title>By: hlmeankin</title>
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		<dc:creator>hlmeankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No! Israel IS supported for Imperialist reasons. Imperialism is the policy of the finacial oligarchy,of which the zionists are the leading faction. The only imperative that drives them is making the most profit possible,thru what ever means necessary...and as they use the Jewish community as a social prop for their economic and political power,&quot;defense&quot; of Israel,is a bone they throw to their &quot;people&quot;,as a small price for the profit they scamm from Madoff like swindles..&lt;br /&gt;
It is incorrect to assume that the Empire is guided by rational direction from people who consider the interests of anyone other than themselves...&lt;br /&gt;
And most importantly,this &quot;Empire&quot;,can have its base moved to any nation that is suitabe for the purposes of its  oligarchy..&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No! Israel IS supported for Imperialist reasons. Imperialism is the policy of the finacial oligarchy,of which the zionists are the leading faction. The only imperative that drives them is making the most profit possible,thru what ever means necessary&#8230;and as they use the Jewish community as a social prop for their economic and political power,&quot;defense&quot; of Israel,is a bone they throw to their &quot;people&quot;,as a small price for the profit they scamm from Madoff like swindles..<br />
It is incorrect to assume that the Empire is guided by rational direction from people who consider the interests of anyone other than themselves&#8230;<br />
And most importantly,this &quot;Empire&quot;,can have its base moved to any nation that is suitabe for the purposes of its  oligarchy..</p>
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		<title>By: Zionism Is Racism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zionism Is Racism</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Spot on Ed!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on Ed!</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks anon: &lt;i&gt; I can&#039;t believe &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Johnstone&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Diane Johnstone&lt;/a&gt; (who, you will remember, attacked the Prague uprising in 1968 being &quot;counter-revolutionary&quot;)&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You should add that info in Wiki, if you have a source. I didn&#039;t know her.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;***************************************&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Spot on Ed!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Posted by: Zionism Is Racism &#124; January 09, 2009 at 04:05 AM&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem is, Ed&#039;s core concept  feels very much like a modern form of&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism#Theology&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Manichaeism&lt;/a&gt; On one side &lt;b&gt;the Good,&lt;/b&gt; the Christians. (Paradoxically, since historically they were considered heretics.) On the other &lt;b&gt;the Bad:&lt;/b&gt; the Jews, all sorts of lefties, gays and feminists neatly pigeonholed. Basically Ed&#039;s view is not so dissimilar from the Bushies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you don&#039;t let yourself be confused by history and the depths of knowledge it surely allows you to write impressive short summaries. The problem is that his train of thought derails with the first few questions you test it with.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let me give you some:&lt;br /&gt;
Who exactly are the good in the fight of Christian nations against each other?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If history doesn&#039;t matter, at what point the Christians turned into singularly good forces?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If the Christians are inherently good, were the crusades good too? What exactly is the difference of Bush&#039;s crusades then?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What is the inherently &lt;b&gt;Christian Good &lt;/b&gt; based on? Only the New Testament? Doesn&#039;t that demand of Chris/Ed to love his enemy? Or does Ed solely rely on the Apocalyptic vision?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;... &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks anon: <i> I can&#39;t believe <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Johnstone" rel="nofollow">Diane Johnstone</a> (who, you will remember, attacked the Prague uprising in 1968 being &quot;counter-revolutionary&quot;)</i> </p>
<p>You should add that info in Wiki, if you have a source. I didn&#39;t know her.</p>
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<p><i>Spot on Ed!</i></p>
<p>Posted by: Zionism Is Racism | January 09, 2009 at 04:05 AM</p>
<p>The problem is, Ed&#39;s core concept  feels very much like a modern form of<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism#Theology" rel="nofollow"> Manichaeism</a> On one side <b>the Good,</b> the Christians. (Paradoxically, since historically they were considered heretics.) On the other <b>the Bad:</b> the Jews, all sorts of lefties, gays and feminists neatly pigeonholed. Basically Ed&#39;s view is not so dissimilar from the Bushies.</p>
<p>If you don&#39;t let yourself be confused by history and the depths of knowledge it surely allows you to write impressive short summaries. The problem is that his train of thought derails with the first few questions you test it with.</p>
<p>Let me give you some:<br />
Who exactly are the good in the fight of Christian nations against each other?</p>
<p>If history doesn&#39;t matter, at what point the Christians turned into singularly good forces?</p>
<p>If the Christians are inherently good, were the crusades good too? What exactly is the difference of Bush&#39;s crusades then?</p>
<p>What is the inherently <b>Christian Good </b> based on? Only the New Testament? Doesn&#39;t that demand of Chris/Ed to love his enemy? Or does Ed solely rely on the Apocalyptic vision?</p>
<p>&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt; (Paradoxically, since historically they were considered heretics.) &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Paradoxically, since the Christians considered Manichaeism as heretic.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry:</p>
<p><i> (Paradoxically, since historically they were considered heretics.) </i></p>
<p>Paradoxically, since the Christians considered Manichaeism as heretic.</p>
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		<title>By: icr</title>
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		<dc:creator>icr</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Posted by: LeaNder&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What a screwy interpretation of what Ed wrote. AS if different historical periods stretching across the whole of Western history could be conflated and made into a schematic that accurately describes the realities of the contemporary world. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Posted by: LeaNder</i></p>
<p>What a screwy interpretation of what Ed wrote. AS if different historical periods stretching across the whole of Western history could be conflated and made into a schematic that accurately describes the realities of the contemporary world. </p>
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		<title>By: Zionism Is Racism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zionism Is Racism</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@LeaNder: You do realize that Ed is critiquing the mindset that the evil white western male is the bad bogeyaman - a Manichean view in and of itself.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LeaNder: You do realize that Ed is critiquing the mindset that the evil white western male is the bad bogeyaman &#8211; a Manichean view in and of itself.</p>
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