Comments on: ‘Times’ doubts Israel’s claim that civilian targets housed rockets http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/times-doubts-israels-claim-that-civilian-targets-housed-rockets.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 09:43:46 +0000 hourly 1 By: Rowan Berkeley http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/times-doubts-israels-claim-that-civilian-targets-housed-rockets.html/comment-page-1#comment-40588 Rowan Berkeley Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/06/times-doubts-israels-claim-that-civilian-targets-housed-rockets.html#comment-40588 <p>You're both misreading the nuance there, Phil: the nuance is that Israel endeavored to provide evidence but was temporarily unable to provide adequate evidence due to the fog of war, a condition eventually to be rectified retrospectively.</p> You're both misreading the nuance there, Phil: the nuance is that Israel endeavored to provide evidence but was temporarily unable to provide adequate evidence due to the fog of war, a condition eventually to be rectified retrospectively.

]]> By: Jim Haygood http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/times-doubts-israels-claim-that-civilian-targets-housed-rockets.html/comment-page-1#comment-40589 Jim Haygood Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/06/times-doubts-israels-claim-that-civilian-targets-housed-rockets.html#comment-40589 <p>One might suppose that 'limited' is not from the story as submitted, but the invention of the Times' political-correctness copy editor, who functions somewhat like a Kosher food inspector to ensure that the 'news' stays 'on message.'</p> <p>'Good Richard' [Silverstein] is an excellent shorthand, complementing 'Bad Richard' [Agent Witty] and 'Evil Richard' [Perle].</p> One might suppose that 'limited' is not from the story as submitted, but the invention of the Times' political-correctness copy editor, who functions somewhat like a Kosher food inspector to ensure that the 'news' stays 'on message.'

'Good Richard' [Silverstein] is an excellent shorthand, complementing 'Bad Richard' [Agent Witty] and 'Evil Richard' [Perle].

]]> By: JH - ventriloquist http://mondoweiss.net/2009/01/times-doubts-israels-claim-that-civilian-targets-housed-rockets.html/comment-page-1#comment-40590 JH - ventriloquist Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/01/06/times-doubts-israels-claim-that-civilian-targets-housed-rockets.html#comment-40590 <p>Rowan now seems to have two main sources of inspiration.</p> <p>a) for the larger scenario concerning the Jews: Ed/Chris Moore</p> <p>b) for his critique of Phil: Richard Witty.</p> <p>... I think we should sponsor a class of reading comprehension based on the texts Phil offers for the two. Never let your ideology get in the way of understanding.</p> <p>**************************************</p> <p>I don't agree Jim. This is--as RS observes--clearly "off balance".</p> <p><i>The Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar, speaking from a hiding place in a recorded speech on Hamas television, said: “The Israeli enemy in its aggression has written its next chapter in the world, which will have no place for them. They shelled everyone in Gaza. They shelled children and hospitals and mosques, and in doing so, they gave us legitimacy to strike them in the same way.”</p> <p>Israel said it had hit some civilian targets because they housed rockets, launchers or militants. It offered limited evidence of its claim. </i></p> <p>Balance would mean to juxtapose the Mahmoud Zahar statement with one by the IDF. But it is questioned. </p> <p>Wouldn't your <i>political-correctness copy editor</i> immediately recognize this? Even Richard would have instinctively use his expertise in balancing here.</p> Rowan now seems to have two main sources of inspiration.

a) for the larger scenario concerning the Jews: Ed/Chris Moore

b) for his critique of Phil: Richard Witty.

… I think we should sponsor a class of reading comprehension based on the texts Phil offers for the two. Never let your ideology get in the way of understanding.

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I don't agree Jim. This is–as RS observes–clearly "off balance".

The Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar, speaking from a hiding place in a recorded speech on Hamas television, said: “The Israeli enemy in its aggression has written its next chapter in the world, which will have no place for them. They shelled everyone in Gaza. They shelled children and hospitals and mosques, and in doing so, they gave us legitimacy to strike them in the same way.”

Israel said it had hit some civilian targets because they housed rockets, launchers or militants. It offered limited evidence of its claim.

Balance would mean to juxtapose the Mahmoud Zahar statement with one by the IDF. But it is questioned.

Wouldn't your political-correctness copy editor immediately recognize this? Even Richard would have instinctively use his expertise in balancing here.

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