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	<title>Comments on: Vermont Jew breaks personal taboo and decries Gaza as Warsaw Ghetto (Gaza effect in U.S. is still subterranean but Huge)</title>
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		<title>By: samuelburke</title>
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		<dc:creator>samuelburke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;halleluyah.....im repulsed when i see what that shitty little country and its influence peddlers have done to my country.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
lets get rid of the parasite.&lt;br /&gt;
let it find another host or let it fend on its own,&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>halleluyah&#8230;..im repulsed when i see what that shitty little country and its influence peddlers have done to my country.</p>
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lets get rid of the parasite.<br />
let it find another host or let it fend on its own,</p>
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		<title>By: samuelburke</title>
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		<dc:creator>samuelburke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;jewsagainstzionism.com (gee i wonder why)&lt;br /&gt;
Rabbi Baruch Kaplan&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Todayâs wicked Zionists are just like their predecessors, who were responsible for causing terrible suffering in Palestine with their wars with the Arabs, may G-d have mercy. At that time in 1929, the Zionists had a slogan arguing that the Western Wall in Jerusalem was a Jewish ânational symbol.â Of course, the Arabs disagreed with this idea, considering that they had control of the location for over 1,100 years. However, the Zionist mobs were yelling that âThe Wall is ours!â Itâs hard to understand why they felt that way considering they have no connection to the Jewish holy places whatsoever. An argument erupted in the Jewish newspapers about establishing a permanent prayer area for Jews at the Wall. This provoked the Arabs, and the rabbi of Jerusalem at the time, Rabbi Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld begged them to stop and to be appreciative to the Arabs for allowing Jews to pray at the Wall for so many centuries undisturbed. However, the Zionists wanted a permanent setup under their control.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jewsagainstzionism.com (gee i wonder why)<br />
Rabbi Baruch Kaplan</p>
<p>Todayâs wicked Zionists are just like their predecessors, who were responsible for causing terrible suffering in Palestine with their wars with the Arabs, may G-d have mercy. At that time in 1929, the Zionists had a slogan arguing that the Western Wall in Jerusalem was a Jewish ânational symbol.â Of course, the Arabs disagreed with this idea, considering that they had control of the location for over 1,100 years. However, the Zionist mobs were yelling that âThe Wall is ours!â Itâs hard to understand why they felt that way considering they have no connection to the Jewish holy places whatsoever. An argument erupted in the Jewish newspapers about establishing a permanent prayer area for Jews at the Wall. This provoked the Arabs, and the rabbi of Jerusalem at the time, Rabbi Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld begged them to stop and to be appreciative to the Arabs for allowing Jews to pray at the Wall for so many centuries undisturbed. However, the Zionists wanted a permanent setup under their control.</p>
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		<title>By: Informed and Objective</title>
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		<dc:creator>Informed and Objective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Check out Paul Craig Roberts&#039;s article on vdare.com today.He was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan&#039;s first term.He has been a virulent critic of the Israel Lobby,the Bush administration as well as the MSM for years.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Paul Craig Roberts&#39;s article on vdare.com today.He was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan&#39;s first term.He has been a virulent critic of the Israel Lobby,the Bush administration as well as the MSM for years.</p>
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		<title>By: anonn</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gordon &quot;pipsquek&quot; Johndroe speaking for Bush live on C-SPAN now:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Israel will do whatever it takes, including sending boots in, as part of the package of Israel defending itself. Any actions Israel actions they take, including ground OPs, it needs to avoid civilian harm and harm to humanitarian aid. Israel has a right to defend itself from rocket attacks. The US wants to avoid a humanitarian crisis. Israel lets in &lt;br /&gt;
aid but HAMAS hoards that aid. We can&#039;t speak to the notion that aid&lt;br /&gt;
is not flowing in fast enough. HAMAS has not done anything for its own people. The US has given Pals 200 million in aid via UN, but&lt;br /&gt;
HAMAS is hoarding aid and medical supplies. I cannot speak to facts on the ground. (How does he knows that HAMAS is so hoarding then? Isn&#039;t that a fact on the ground?)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Re proportionality of Israel response: Israel is simply responding&lt;br /&gt;
to rocket attacks. Clearly Israel is trying to get HAMAS to stop&lt;br /&gt;
killing Israelis with rockets. I am not sure I can define proportionality except to say Israel has a right to defend itself.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Candi Rice on phones constantly for a week; no need to travel to&lt;br /&gt;
Middle East. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is White house, Rice, keeping Obama&#039;s transition team up to date?&lt;br /&gt;
Rice talked to them once last week. They get paper briefs. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is White House doing anything except getting Israel&#039;s assurances&lt;br /&gt;
it is minimizing civilian harm? I answered that a few days ago in the last press briefing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Candi now on C-SPAN again. HAMAS has held Pals hostage. Has used GAZA as a launching pad for rockets. We are working towards a solution, a durable and sustainable cease fire. HAMAS&lt;br /&gt;
rejected Egyptian offer towards peace. The president has been in touch with the major Arab leaders of their states and with Israel.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon &quot;pipsquek&quot; Johndroe speaking for Bush live on C-SPAN now:</p>
<p>Israel will do whatever it takes, including sending boots in, as part of the package of Israel defending itself. Any actions Israel actions they take, including ground OPs, it needs to avoid civilian harm and harm to humanitarian aid. Israel has a right to defend itself from rocket attacks. The US wants to avoid a humanitarian crisis. Israel lets in <br />
aid but HAMAS hoards that aid. We can&#39;t speak to the notion that aid<br />
is not flowing in fast enough. HAMAS has not done anything for its own people. The US has given Pals 200 million in aid via UN, but<br />
HAMAS is hoarding aid and medical supplies. I cannot speak to facts on the ground. (How does he knows that HAMAS is so hoarding then? Isn&#39;t that a fact on the ground?)</p>
<p>Re proportionality of Israel response: Israel is simply responding<br />
to rocket attacks. Clearly Israel is trying to get HAMAS to stop<br />
killing Israelis with rockets. I am not sure I can define proportionality except to say Israel has a right to defend itself.</p>
<p>Candi Rice on phones constantly for a week; no need to travel to<br />
Middle East. </p>
<p>Is White house, Rice, keeping Obama&#39;s transition team up to date?<br />
Rice talked to them once last week. They get paper briefs. </p>
<p>Is White House doing anything except getting Israel&#39;s assurances<br />
it is minimizing civilian harm? I answered that a few days ago in the last press briefing.</p>
<p>Candi now on C-SPAN again. HAMAS has held Pals hostage. Has used GAZA as a launching pad for rockets. We are working towards a solution, a durable and sustainable cease fire. HAMAS<br />
rejected Egyptian offer towards peace. The president has been in touch with the major Arab leaders of their states and with Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Haygood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Haygood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&#039;The terrible loop that history has taken â descendants of the historic victims of the Holocaust now wearing the jackboots of the dominant warrior â is a painful thing to contemplate.&#039; -- Jules Rabin&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At first glance, this epiphany seems unbelievable to those who instinctively side with Israel. Yet investigations of abusive parents usually reveal that themselves were abused as children.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Perhaps this is the dark side of the Holocaust -- not only did its victims endure great suffering. But also -- in an awful, ironic paradox -- they may have been inured to the suffering of others.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The cold language of Israeli ministers -- their literal blindness to Gazan suffering, as they repeatedly deny that any humanitarian cris exists -- certainly supports this diagnosis.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How can you treat a whole society for PTSD-induced violent tendencies? I sure wish I knew. But not rewarding them with official encouragement and three billion dollars a year would be a good start.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#39;The terrible loop that history has taken â descendants of the historic victims of the Holocaust now wearing the jackboots of the dominant warrior â is a painful thing to contemplate.&#39; &#8212; Jules Rabin</p>
<p>At first glance, this epiphany seems unbelievable to those who instinctively side with Israel. Yet investigations of abusive parents usually reveal that themselves were abused as children.</p>
<p>Perhaps this is the dark side of the Holocaust &#8212; not only did its victims endure great suffering. But also &#8212; in an awful, ironic paradox &#8212; they may have been inured to the suffering of others.</p>
<p>The cold language of Israeli ministers &#8212; their literal blindness to Gazan suffering, as they repeatedly deny that any humanitarian cris exists &#8212; certainly supports this diagnosis.</p>
<p>How can you treat a whole society for PTSD-induced violent tendencies? I sure wish I knew. But not rewarding them with official encouragement and three billion dollars a year would be a good start.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Condell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Condell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We&#039;re still paying a price for the punishment meted out to the Germans after WW1. All nations suffered in the depression of the early twenties, but none so bad as Germany, which on top of the humiliation of Versailles, saw prices rise by 486 million % in 1923, the year of the National Socialist&#039;s first failed putsch. Some of the tales of hardship from those times are quite shocking.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This grinding them into the ground sowed the hardness of heart necessary for Nazism to take off. The word &#039;resentment&#039; doesn&#039;t carry the charge necessary to describe the mindset of many if not most young men in particular - they were eternally livid with rage and were determined to show the world that they were made of sterner stuff than their parents, who had shamed the Fatherland. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then, when they took the reins, they scapegoated the Jews and took out their frustrations on them, while creating a barrel-chested mythology about themselves as superior beings. They came bit of a cropper, but not before inculcating in the minds of some of their victims an analogue of their ruthless tribal chauvinism. This played a central role in the establishment of Israel and continues to psychologically inform it&#039;s (mis)behaviour) today.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You wonder what monsters they are creating in Gaza and the West Bank. That will be history&#039;s next &#039;terrible loop&#039; I suppose. Unless the US itself falls into the sort of financial abyss Germany did, which is decidedly possible. Would armies of unemployed young American men with chips on both shoulders behave any better than their predecessors? And who will be their scapegoat?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#39;re still paying a price for the punishment meted out to the Germans after WW1. All nations suffered in the depression of the early twenties, but none so bad as Germany, which on top of the humiliation of Versailles, saw prices rise by 486 million % in 1923, the year of the National Socialist&#39;s first failed putsch. Some of the tales of hardship from those times are quite shocking.</p>
<p>This grinding them into the ground sowed the hardness of heart necessary for Nazism to take off. The word &#39;resentment&#39; doesn&#39;t carry the charge necessary to describe the mindset of many if not most young men in particular &#8211; they were eternally livid with rage and were determined to show the world that they were made of sterner stuff than their parents, who had shamed the Fatherland. </p>
<p>Then, when they took the reins, they scapegoated the Jews and took out their frustrations on them, while creating a barrel-chested mythology about themselves as superior beings. They came bit of a cropper, but not before inculcating in the minds of some of their victims an analogue of their ruthless tribal chauvinism. This played a central role in the establishment of Israel and continues to psychologically inform it&#39;s (mis)behaviour) today.</p>
<p>You wonder what monsters they are creating in Gaza and the West Bank. That will be history&#39;s next &#39;terrible loop&#39; I suppose. Unless the US itself falls into the sort of financial abyss Germany did, which is decidedly possible. Would armies of unemployed young American men with chips on both shoulders behave any better than their predecessors? And who will be their scapegoat?</p>
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